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allophones

had a dispute at waka (canoe) over transcribing it as [ˈwɒka], but then not doing the same with other articles. I'm reading differing accounts of Maori allophones, and don't know what would be best here. /u/ for example varies over [u ʊ ʉ y ʏ], /a/ over [a ɑ ɒ ɐ ə], etc. — kwami (talk) 03:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

There is some tribal variation. The Māori Language Commission is a state organ which produces or coordinates the production of most modern Māori language published material. I suggest that we try and converge of their recommended pronounciation, there are several resources on their links page. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

nearest English equivalent

for/law: in BrE, the difference between the sound of these two words is minimal, but in AmE it is considerable. When guidelines about pronunciation are given, it is sometimes essential to specify which variety of spoken English is meant (Pamour (talk) 10:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC)).

Diphthongs

Firstly, not sure how correct usage this is but short i is often pronounced as a schwa when preceding another, for example in 'mihi' (məhi). That may be footnote worthy, as the waka example is above. Secondly, the diphthong examples are not very accurate. 'au' is closer to 'ou' then it is to 'ao'. It sounds a little like a nasalised version of 'ou'. And 'oe' has almost a 'wɛ'. It is not like boy. Māori has 'oi' for that. The 'moe' example is better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.69.237.234 (talk) 06:01, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

English equivalent for short 'E'

The article currently says:

ɛː tēnā koe As below but longer; RP bared

ɛ Te Reo bed, NZ English bad

"bad" - in RP and New Zealand English - is actually a long vowel: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bad-lad_split. So "bad" does not work as an example of a short "e" in New Zealand English.

How about "fared", "fed" and "fad" to illustrate the point instead of "bared", "bed" and "bad"?

Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.210.237 (talk) 13:04, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

IPA notation for digraph "wh"

Although the Voiceless labiodental fricative is commonly used for the digraph wh, it is widely believed that the Voiceless bilabial fricative was used in Pre-European times, as the first missionaries notated it as being "wh" as opposed to "f", because of it's similarity to the English wh (a sound which is now absent from New Zealand English). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.126.197.68 (talk) 21:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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Misleading EN examples

1. The example for ʉː is 'move,' which is good, but then 'put' is given for ʉ. The vowel in 'put' is nothing like a shorter version of that in 'move.' The vowel sound in an unstressed syllable would be much better, e.g. teaspoon, mushroom.

2. ae and ai are distinct. NZE doesn't have an approximation for ae. The current example misleadingly suggests ae and ai are pronounced the same when they are not. I would leave 'lie' for ai and just have a dash at ae. Cameron.coombe (talk) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)