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Add medical equipment / items / topics #1

Add Medicine cabinet

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Support

1. As nominator -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

   Type of cabinet found almost at every building in western counties and in important buildings in the rest of the world. The Blue Rider 13:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Just realized that the article only refers to the structure itself not the contents inside. The Blue Rider 13:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

   It discusses content as much as Nightstand  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

2. Oppose, a common item but pretty basic (closer to dictionary territory?) Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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1. @The Blue Rider: Or is it? Just 4 interwikis. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add First aid kit

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1. As nominator -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Important for people to understand. starship.paint (RUN) 02:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Important concept. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Absolutely --Marchantiophyta (talk) 03:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
5. Essential -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add bandage

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Medical procedures (80/115 articles) is way under quota. I think bandage is as vital as Orthopedic cast  5.

Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:55, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support --Marchantiophyta (talk) 04:05, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
3. starship.paint (RUN) 04:06, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
4. I'd support it at V4 too, TonyTheTiger. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
5. Support -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add Sling (medicine)

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:55, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
2. starship.paint (RUN) 04:06, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Sure. And if medicine is so underquota, I'll leave a note at WT:MED inviting folks here with more ideas. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:01, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Support -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add Crutch

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1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:55, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support --Marchantiophyta (talk) 04:04, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
3. starship.paint (RUN) 04:06, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Sure. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:01, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
5. Support -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add Boot (medicine)

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1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
2. starship.paint (RUN) 04:06, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
3. -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Tourniquet

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. starship.paint (RUN) 03:06, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Fine :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Support! Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add Retainer (orthodontics)

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1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Common item in the field. starship.paint (RUN) 03:06, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Splint (medicine)

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:05, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:55, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
6. Shocked it wasn't listed yet. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Stretcher

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Now an everyday object. starship.paint (RUN) 06:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
3. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:06, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Support -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add Dressing (medicine)

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:25, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Some overlap with bandage but still pretty basic/vital concept. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:55, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Adhesive bandage

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:25, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Plasters are common everyday objects. starship.paint (RUN) 06:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Everyone knows what a band-aid is. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Cotton swab

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:25, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. J947 ‡ ^edits 00:28, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Oppose, another really basic item (closer to dictionary article?) Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Search and rescue

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. starship.paint (RUN) 06:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support Elementary concept -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Litter (rescue basket)

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 07:17, December 9, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Niche, one interwiki only. starship.paint (RUN) 08:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Oppose, feel like the wider stretcher article should suffice. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add First responder

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:55, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Scalpel

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Basic medical equipment. starship.paint (RUN) 02:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Seems like equioment that should be at V5, I concur. (Also used outside medicine I think? I might be thinking of Utility knife, which is no vital - maybe it should be too?) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:54, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

   We have 11 Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Knives_(11_articles) at level 5, including Knife  3, Dagger  4 and Bayonet  4. So think hard about nominating another one.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

   User:Piotrus, After further thought, I would be more prone to add butterfly knife (28 interwikis), which is more than Utility knife (19) as well as most of the other level 5 knives Switchblade  5 (16), Bowie knife  5 (23), Fighting knife (4), Hunting knife  5 (13), Pocketknife  5 (38), Swiss Army knife  5 (38), Throwing knife  5 (18), Assisted-opening knife (0). Thoughts?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

   Maybe swap both of these in for the general Fighting knife (4) (of which Bowie is an example) and general Assisted-opening knife (0) (Switchblade is an example).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:51, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

   @Piotrus:-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

   I'd need to research this more, I did not realize there is so much overlapping terminology/concepts here. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

   You are quite dedicated. I burden discussants with the task of separating the wheat from the chaff. I was figuring if I posted 2 adds and 2 removes, people would figure out what is right. I'll wait a week. If I don't hear back I will go ahead and do a +2/-2 nom and let people figure it out.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Definitely fits on the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Syringe and/or Hypodermic needle

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Support

1. Support both as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Common medical equipment. starship.paint (RUN) 02:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

   User:Starship.paint which one?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:18, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

   Add both. Thanks. starship.paint (RUN) 03:20, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

3. Support both, pretty basic concepts IMHO. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Support both -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add Stethoscope

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Basic medical equipment. starship.paint (RUN) 02:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Arguably one of the modern symbols of the medical profession. I have another idea for you, TonyTheTiger: White coat  5... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Support Primary medical equipment indeed -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add Ventilator

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1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Basic medical equipment. starship.paint (RUN) 02:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Very important as a concept and in practice --Marchantiophyta (talk) 03:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Support critical component for many differnt types of maladies and emergencies-- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add Surgical scissors

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Stub article and 9 interwikis only. starship.paint (RUN) 09:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Oppose, feel like the overall scissors article should suffice. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add White coat

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Very symbolic term for the medical field (suggested above).

Support

1. As nominator -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
2. It is also used in the laboratory work. 21 interwikis. starship.paint (RUN) 09:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Suggested by me. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Support very important clothingpiece in medicine, and defining -- Radlrb (talk) 06:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Sorry I forgot to mention the suggestion made at the Stethoscope discussion.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add Personal protective equipment

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Wider category of the white coat above. 47 interwikis. starship.paint (RUN) 09:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator starship.paint (RUN) 09:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
2. How was this not nominated until now.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:46, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Makes sense at VA5. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Pest control

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We list Pest (organism)  5 and all sorts of pest control methods such as Pesticide  4, Biological pest control  5, and specific chemicals for pest control.

Support

1. As nominator Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:29, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Vital concept for agriculture and sanitation which are very vital for civilization. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support, general concept, plus I think related articles like this encourage reorganizing the actual articles. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 03:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Lockheed L-1011 TriStar

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Not as popular as comparable aircraft of its era. Only 250 were built, compared to 500+ for Airbus A300  5 and 400+ for McDonnell Douglas DC-10  5.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Never heard of it, and I am somewhat interested in in aviation topics. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove KakaoTalk, Add Instant messaging  5

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We list many instant messaging services (WhatsApp, Line, Telegram, WeChat, KakaoTalk) but not the main concept. KakaoTalk should be removed as it is only popular in South Korea.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support. Regional importance only vs key concept. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support, and I would personally be for removing all of the brands, even WhatsApp. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support per nom -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Faster-than-light  5

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The scientific treatment of a concept well known in popular culture, not to be confused with Space travel in science fiction. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support, sure, Physics has room (and will likely have a lot more) and the article's treatment is solidly scientific, not speculative. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 13:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove specific colors, 1st batch

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Just in case, I'm going to do this in conservative batches, starting with 10 that are all stubs:

• Copper (color)
• Cream (colour)
• Capri (color)
• Slate gray
• Lilac (color)
• Peach (color)
• Coral (color)
• Sapphire (color)
• Ivory (color)
• Lemon (color)

-- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support all. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 10:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
4. These are not very common colors, and they are all just shades of more well-known colors. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support --Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
6. Support except sapphire and ivory, which I recall reading as being referred to in some works of literature. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:45, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
7. support all. Most of these refer to things that are already at least VA5 so you can just use those articles to deduce what the color is Aurangzebra (talk) 06:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
8. support all.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:08, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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A very common type of building around the world which are used by thousands of people at a time.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 02:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Common enough to be V5 as a type of facility. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Respublik (talk) 11:30, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
5. yes Aurangzebra (talk) 06:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove some obscure, old English lengths

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Some more really niche entries, maybe more appropriate for a dictionary than an encyclopedia:

• Line (unit)
• Barleycorn (unit)
• Shaftment
• Span (unit)
• Ell

I plan to propose cutting more, but may want to swap some general articles in before those. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support all except neutral on Barleycorn.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support all. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 03:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support all --Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support all Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
6. support all, good finds Aurangzebra (talk) 06:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fire engine

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Since we added Fire hydrant, we should add this as well, which is just as important.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 02:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Common enough type of vehicle to be listed at V5. We should also add Police car  5 (not vital right now) I think. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Iconic. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Police car  5

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Same logic as with fire engine above, common concept, easily recognizable, vital at this level. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, and IIUC they usually have different specs from civilian models, at least in the US. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
3. definitely Aurangzebra (talk) 03:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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Mathematical number base articles should not be vital

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Ternary numeral system, Quaternary numeral system, Quinary, Octal, Duodecimal, and possibly Vigesimal and Hexadecimal  5 should be removed from this list; there are many more important mathematics topics which could be added instead. Binary number  4 and Sexagesimal  5 are particularly important (especially historically) and should be kept. –jacobolus (t) 04:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Weak support to removal all but hex one, where I already opposed. Nom is welcome to add my sign as weak support for their other proposals here (ping User:jacobolus). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Ternary numeral system

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Support

1. presumed support based on discussion by user:jacobolus 04:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC) Reformatted for discussant as a supporting nominator by TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Though following binary, we don't have much use yet, this should change in time though. Radlrb (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Not seen in application. David Xuang (talk) 00:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Quaternary numeral system

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Support

1. presumed support based on discussion by user:jacobolus 04:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC) Reformatted for discussant as a supporting nominator by TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Radlrb (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
4. David Xuang (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Remove Quinary

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Support

1. presumed support based on discussion by user:jacobolus 04:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC) Reformatted for discussant as a supporting nominator by TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Radlrb (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
4. David Xuang (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Remove Octal

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Support

1. presumed support based on discussion by user:jacobolus 04:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC) Reformatted for discussant as a supporting nominator by TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Though it does have some uses, not nearly as vital as binary, or hexadecimal (still too small, comparatively with hexa). Radlrb (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Was used widely in computer science but has became rare after 8-bit was established as standard. David Xuang (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Remove Duodecimal

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Support

1. presumed support based on discussion by user:jacobolus 04:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC) Reformatted for discussant as a supporting nominator by TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Radlrb (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
4. David Xuang (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support, has a fan-base, but that doesn't make it uniquely vital. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

1. For a second I was confusing this with Dewey Decimal Classification  5-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Vigesimal

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Support

1. presumed weak support based on discussion by User:jacobolus 04:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC) Reformatted for discussant as a supporting nominator by TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Some historic use but pretty trivial/history footnote/niche/etc. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support, on 2nd thought, we already list Maya numerals  5 for even clearer cultural representation. No need to keep the whole proposal batch open much longer. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Too historically important to remove, and many places today still use it (twenty fingers and toes on the average human, is a main reason for the Mayans and Nahua using it); it also has some computing uses. Radlrb (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Oppose, if we're keeping hex for computer applications and sexagesimal for historical ones, seems fair to keep this for cultural ones too. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Remove Hexadecimal  5

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Support

1. presumed weak support based on discussion by user:jacobolus 04:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC) Reformatted for discussant as a supporting nominator by TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Hex and binary seem to be the two that us pedestrian math acquaintances are familiar with. Hex controls every color on the computer screen from text to backgrounds.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
2. I am inclined to support removing others listed here but not this one, simply because I've heard this term here and there, but not the others. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Media Access Control (MAC) addresses use hexadecimal, and it is also used to represent numbers stored in a CPU's registers and main memory, as well as for debugging computer programs. Microcontrollers use hexadecimal to easen data handling, too. HTML color codes ubiquitously also use it (already mentioned). Such mathematical applications of hexadecimal make it important enough to include, I feel. Radlrb (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Obviously vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:37, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
5. A common base for 8/16/32/64-bit computer systems. David Xuang (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

   User:David Xuang 8 bit?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

   Was to say systems where 1 byte = 8 bits but forgot the term, so I just included them all the way up to 64b. Yeah even MCUs have at least 16b RAM address nowadays. David Xuang (talk) 01:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discussion

• Obviously hexadecimal (and all of the rest of these) are a topics worth having some wikipedia article about. Hexadecimal encoding in particular is often used by computers as a more visually compact representation for binary numbers (or more generally, arbitrary data). It's just not a "vital" part of mathematics worth being in a list of the most important articles on Wikipedia. –jacobolus (t) 05:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
  • The system that transposes the visible spectrum into a numerical code is very vital regardless of whether it is vital from a math perspective.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

    Hexadecimal-based encoding for 8 bit/channel RGB colors are a specific (mediocre) way of encoding a computer's internal representation of certain colors to be displayed on a technologically limited RGB display. They are not a "system that transposes the visible spectrum into a numerical code". This is of course worth describing, at RGB color model § Numeric representations. It's not really evidence that hexadecimal – as a number system – is of "vital" importance to anything. –jacobolus (t) 04:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

    I don't think it's that mediocre, if it was, other systems would be more universally used (these are intelligent programmers that developed and applied them). In fact, a larger system then would be too small [ "data-wise" ] to be used to represent different colors, so hexadecimal is right in between a compact form to represent bytes, and one that is still large enough (also, for character length and memory storage thereof, that is also easy to check); which is why it is preferred. Higher art that requires more detailed distinguishing color schemes might benefit from a larger base, however for everyday life, hexadecimal is very much sufficient. Hexadecimal as a level 5 Vital article is appropriate in terms of its applications in other areas as would be, say, the state of California to the Geography of the United States (level 4 Vital), but also to Economy of the U.S., and the World, especially in terms of innovative exports to other places that gain from Californian products and innovations. Radlrb (talk) 16:00, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

    In other words, Applied mathematics being a domain of Mathematics, these uses for hexadecimal [ including all collectively mentioned previously Radlrb (talk) 16:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC) ] therefore fall under mathematical applications for this specific number base. Radlrb (talk) 16:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add aerobic exercise and anaerobic exercise

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As Exercise  3 is level 3, the two basic types of exercises should at least be level 5. Aerobic exercise includes lower intensity exercises like jogging, cycling, rowing and walking, while anaerobic includes HIIT and strength training. And we are nearly 200 articles under quota in health and medicine so space is not an issue.

Support

1. Support as nom. Gizza (talk) 23:12, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 14:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 04:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Cardboard box  5

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Could also go somewhere under everyday life, but fits well under Container  4, with Box  5 next to Coffin  5, Crate  5 and Wooden box  5. For most modern people it has replaced the latter two. We see them every day. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Cardboard boxes are a part of everyday life for most people now. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support, why not? We have room, they're humbler but arguably as critical to modern logistics as intermodal containers, and the article could probably expand further. More engineering goes into them then people may realize. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 14:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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1. Crate  5 and Wooden box  5 are very similar with the latter being largely WP:OR. Not sure we need Box  5 and Cardboard box  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

   I would rather have cardboard box than wooden box. Also, I would support bumping Box  5 up to VA4. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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Remove 3dfx, Creative Technology, Gen Digital, and Unisys

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This set of subjects was nominated on 18 November 2020 (UTC). That nomination achieved a 3-2 consensus that was not enacted prior to being archived. At Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/5#Handling_discussions_that_were_archived_without_closure_even_though_a_quorum_had_been_achieved, there was no consensus to retroactively enact this consensus. Thus, I am renominating this. The original nominator was User:Feminist. The other discussants were Support: User:Hanif Al Husaini and User:Hyperbolick and Oppose: User:C933103 and User:RekishiEJ.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support removal of the remaining 3 companies (3dfx may have already been cut). Tech companies are definitely over-represented. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support and move this proposal to the Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5/Society talk page per Zar2gar1. I repeat what I said in my 2020 nomination. I was actually about to nominate the removal of Gen Digital myself because antivirus software is a declining industry. I agree that each of these companies may have been significant in the ~1990s, but information technology in general was a much smaller industry back then compared to now (despite a lot of hype leading up to the dot-com bubble). feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 02:20, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support all but not Creative Technology. Creative Technology I've heard about and used their products back in the 1980s (Sound Blaster...). Could be subjective, but we list stuff that I think is similar. Would like to see this one discussed sepearately. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support all. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose removal of Creative Technology per my comment above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

• Looks like 3dfx is no longer a VA article, but the other 3 still are. As companies, they're actually listed under Society and social sciences -> Politics and economics -> Business and economics. That talk page is bloated, but the proposal may move quicker if you move it to over there. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
  • @TonyTheTiger: Forgot to ping you about the possible proposal updates. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
    • User:Zar2gar1, what are you pinging me for?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
    • I am neutral about moving technology companies to the society page. I think the evaluation will be regarding whether these technologies are important. I will not stand in the way of anyone who feels strongly toward the move though.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Netbook

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Per Piotrus: Perhaps this is the most historically significant netbook, but frankly, I am not even concerned that netbook itself should be V5. Per Steve Jobs: "netbooks aren’t better at anything." They were popular for around five years but were quickly displaced by tablets and later Chromebooks.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 08:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Sure, and I'd like to get rid of Chromebook too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:17, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support, I always just considered them a specific class of laptop. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 14:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Deep Learning

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Subset of machine learning that is the basis for every single ML breakthrough of the last 15 years. Has allowed us to achieve insane performance gains in tasks such as image classification (AlexNet), natural language processing (everything from word2vec to ChatGPT), and any other ML task you can name. Closely related to Artificial neural network but it is the breakthrough of being able to stack these networks in ways that still allowed models to train performantly that has been responsible for the recent AI boom that has impacted every industry.

Support

1. as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 04:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support Per nom -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

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Remove the Number entries from Units

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In my mind, these 5 concepts are more dictionary entries than encyclopedic ones:

• Crore
• Dozen
• Gross (unit)
• Lakh
• Myriad

I actually added 3 of these last year before the proposals picked up, but that was a quota-hitting exercise. After thinking on it though, I'd like to see the Units list and eventually the quota for the Basics section cut back. Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support all except oppose dozen.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support all. Not "essential to the structure of Wikipedia" because readers can refer to dictionaries if we don't cover these terms well enough. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 03:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support all Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Strong oppose to Crore and Lakh, which are the standard way to communicate for people of the Indian subcontinent, aka for 1.8 billion-ish people, thus pretty vital. Support removing the rest due to being niche. The difference being that these are known rather than used. Respublik (talk) 11:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

   Right, and that's actually why I added them. The South Asian press even uses them in English-language media. So I agree they're as vital as the other numerical units... but I also think the numerical units in general are too close to dictionary items to be vital. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 15:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove "Shades of ..." lists

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All of these 14 articles appear to be lists, even if not marked as such by icon:

• Shades of black
• Shades of blue
• Shades of brown
• Shades of cyan
• Shades of green
• Shades of gray
• Shades of magenta
• Shades of orange
• Shades of pink
• Shades of purple
• Shades of red
• Shades of violet
• Shades of white
• Shades of yellow

-- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. brown, gray, pink, violet-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support all. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 10:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support all. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support all --Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
6. all per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:53, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. red, blue, yellow, green, orange, purple, white, black-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

1. cyan, magenta-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Remove BitTorrent (software)

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A client for BitTorrent with just 6.6% market share. Listing BitTorrent  5, the file sharing protocol, is enough at this level.

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1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 10:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, especially if we already list the protocol. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
4. BitTorrent is sufficient. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:56, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Kevlar  5

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8th most viewed out of all articles on fabrics last year (the most-viewed fabric we don't list after Rayon  5, which I nominated above), plus 46 interwikis. A common type of fiber with many industrial applications.

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1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 10:45, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, and you're right, it's not just for military armor anymore. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:44, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:56, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Pretty well known. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:36, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Large language model

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I am not technical enough to explain why these are instrumental in machine learning and artificial intelligence, but the podcasts I listen to are always talking about them.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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1. As nominator. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support I've also been thinking of proposing Generative artificial intelligence  5 and Text-to-image model.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 03:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:57, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Polygraph

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I noticed this exclusion when voting at Polygraph (duplicating device) above.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
2. If there is room under quota. 46 interwikis, shows up in movies and such too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support, sure, still widely used even if it may not actually work. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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Swap Rhineura floridana for Rhineuridae

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Moved from WT:VA

Rhineura floridana is the only extant taxon in Rhineuridae, and is more likely to be vital than the higher classification. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 16:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

This discussion should be moved to level 5. But I have a hard time believing that either article has much vitality. Cobblet (talk) 04:37, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Done, thanks. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 16:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

@Cremastra: - moved again. starship.paint (RUN) 01:07, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Support removal but not swap. Given that Rhineura floridana is restricted mostly to Florida whereas members of Amphisbaenidae are spread out among Africa, South America, and the Caribbean, I'm not sure why we would only feature the Florida worm over Amphisbaenidae or an example species from Amphisbaenidae. Also see File:World.distribution.amphisbaenia.1.png. starship.paint (RUN) 01:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support swap removal, we have 30 slots or so we can keep the family for now, even if it's rare. Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

   No idea why, but my brain keeps parsing this proposal all wrong. Agree with the others that the wider taxon is probably sufficient for both. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

3. Support removal but not swap. I agree with @Starship.paint: --Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support removal but not swap per starship.paint. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:41, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Perovskite (structure)

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Very important crystal structure, both abundant (impurely) in nature and relevant to a lot of cutting-edge electromagnetic research like superconductivity. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Telehealth

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This became a prominent form of health insurance during the pandemic.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Good addition. Although perhaps "Health" would be a better category to list it under? - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom but I agree with Presidentman that it may be better served under health. Aurangzebra (talk) 03:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support, and the proposal's under Health now, which makes sense to me too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Nominations by Dawid2009 in the name of deceased Wikipedian (SpinningSpark)

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Over three years ago deceased Wikipedian SpinningPark made many proposals to the levels: 3, 4, and 5: [1], although proposals were intresing, most of them did not get enough attention due to low acitivity project at the time. I am going to nominate all of his proposals, will not give rationales at every single entry but please for research of these terms, productive feedbacks and substantive discussions (no dispurtive !votes like "no rationale given etc.", "we are under quota" etc. but many comments in discussions and substantive discussions)

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Add Signalling block system

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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• The natural place to put this would be indented under railway signalling... but that article isn't listed yet. I'll add a couple proposals. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Analogue filter

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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• I'd put this one under Electronics -> Signal processing -> Filter (signal processing). Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Waveguide filter

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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• Even though this one uses waveguide principles, I'd probably still put it under Electronics -> Signal processing -> Filter (signal processing). Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Distributed-element filter

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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• Another one under Electronics -> Signal processing -> Filter (signal processing)? Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Network synthesis

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support, it's above my pay-grade, but more engineering principles on the list never hurts. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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• This could go under Electronics -> Electronics: General -> Circuit design. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Oppose, relatively niche historical article, Telegraphy article probably sufficient. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Zar2gar1. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 04:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per Zar2gar1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Electric Telegraph Company

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Oppose, relatively niche and the list with companies is way over after quota changes. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Zar2gar1. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 04:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per Zar2gar1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add British and Irish Magnetic Telegraph Company

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Oppose, relatively niche and the list with companies is way over after quota changes. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Zar2gar1. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 04:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per Zar2gar1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Submarine Telegraph Company

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Oppose, relatively niche and the list with companies is way over after quota changes. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Zar2gar1. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 04:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per Zar2gar1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Submarine communications cable

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. 38 interwikis. Important part of modern communication infrastructure with ~150 years of history too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:01, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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• This could go under the Other media and communication technology heading. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Telex

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support, dated but definitely a unique communication technology. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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• Another for the Other media and communication technology heading. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Extel

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Oppose, relatively niche and the list with companies is way over after quota changes. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Zar2gar1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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• Adding Ticker tape may not be a bad proposal for a communications technology though. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Commercial code (communications)

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support, actually pretty interesting and arguably not out of place near Cryptography. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add International Telecommunication Union

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Important for the development of telecommunications. We should also consider ICANN. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support, sort of conflicted because the list is so over-quota, but a long-lived and important organization. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Under Politics and economics. feminist🚰 (talk) 03:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Golding Bird

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support, we still have room under Scientists, and if there's any oversaturation in that list, it's in the Physicists section. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Railway surgery

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Weak oppose, interesting from a coverage standpoint, but seems a bit too niche. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Zar2gar1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Creed & Company

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose, pretty niche and the list with companies is way over after quota changes. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Zar2gar1. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 04:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per Zar2gar1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Afrika Korps

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. Oppose, should already be enough overlapping coverage on the list with WWII articles. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Western Union

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. 49 interwikis. Globally known. Weak support if there is room; otherwise I'd be happy to consider swap proposals. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:53, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:02, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Gutta Percha Company

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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1. The product may be V5 vital, the company which made this product for 19 years in the 19th century is likely not. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 02:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Oppose, agree coverage of the product and uses should be sufficient. After recent quota changes, the list including companies is way over. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Oppose, there are way more vital companies that we don't list. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Support

1. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 04:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Dawid2009 (talk) 12:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• @Dawid2009: - it would help if you could identify where exactly they should be added to. starship.paint (RUN) 13:27, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Starship.paint: Ok, I asked for help on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Technology, let see what will be later. Dawid2009 (talk) 13:32, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd put gutta-percha specifically under the Materials heading like Natural rubber. The article could definitely be reorganized though, with a hatnote and the parts about the actual tree moved to (Palaquium gutta). Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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This is a decently common disease that is the most common cause of one-sided facial paralysis. It also interestingly helped someone win a Canadian federal election. It is rated High-Importance by WikiProject Medicine and Top-Importance by WikiProject Viruses.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Remove: Low Vitality Topics In Chemistry

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There are approximately 1 bazillion chemical substances, most of which are rarely encountered and unimportant outside of a handful of niche applications. Worse still, many of these substances are chemically distinct but effectively interchangeable (e.g. sodium and potassium salts tend to be equally soluble and usually behave the same in solution). The following stand out to me as being worth removing:

Remove Tetraoxygen

An utterly insignificant allotrope of oxygen – it took nearly a century to confirm that it even exists (and it only does so for a few microseconds). Briefly mentioned in Oxygen  3, which is more than sufficient.

Support

1. As nominator -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Expertise appreciated. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:14, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Solid oxygen

Just about every element has a distinct solid, liquid, and gaseous state, most of which are not “vital”. Solid oxygen is rarely produced, has no applications outside of basic research, and can be contrasted with liquid tin which is enormously important (see float glass) but doesn’t even have its own article.

Support

1. As nominator -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Expertise appreciated. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Isotopes of neon

The distinction is only relevant to isotope geochemistry, and the properties/applications of these isotopes are better covered in Neon  4 than in this article.

Support

1. As nominator -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Expertise appreciated. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Not a vital enough subtopic. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Dichlorine monoxide

A rarely encountered compound with no real “special” properties that would justify its inclusion.

Support

1. As nominator -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Expertise appreciated. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Deuterium-depleted water

The inverse of Heavy water  5, very rarely considered outside of hydrogen isotope biogeochemistry which is touched upon in Deuterium  5.

Support

1. As nominator -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Expertise appreciated. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. This does not seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:19, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane

There are a LOT of hydrofluorocarbons and while this is one of the more relevant ones I feel that Hydrofluorocarbon  5, Fluorocarbon  5, and Haloalkane  4 provide sufficient coverage.

Support

1. As nominator -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Expertise appreciated. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:20, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Carvacrol

There are 7 other terpenoids listed, which is a bit excessive. Carvacrol is a nearly-identical isomer of the more-important Thymol  5; the other terpenoids highlight the diversity of this class of compounds or are important in their own right but neither are true of carvacrol.

Support

1. As nominator -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Expertise appreciated. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:21, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Sodium ferrocyanide

More-or-less chemically equivalent to Potassium ferrocyanide  5, which is in my experience slightly more common in labs. The particular alkali counterion can be important, but in this case not so much.

Support

1. As nominator -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Expertise appreciated. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:21, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Aluminium acetate

This article is effectively a disambiguation page; Aluminium triacetate  5 is the “typical” form of aluminum acetate and that article sufficiently addresses the others.

Support

1. As nominator -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Expertise appreciated. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. This is a glorified disambiguation page. Not vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Verdigris

A poorly-defined mixture of copper salts, primarily hydrates of Copper(II) acetate  5. Verdigris is more of a pigment than a chemical compound and may be more appropriate in the "Arts" section than it is here.

Support

1. As nominator -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Expertise appreciated. Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support removal or move to Arts. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support removal per nom. Oppose move to Arts because more common pigments are currently up for removal. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:25, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Rayon

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A major type of clothing fabric. 4th most viewed out of all articles on fabrics last year.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 15:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:00, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
5. supportTonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Thalys

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Defunct and subsumed into Eurostar  5. It's known more for overcharging compared to domestic high-speed rail services, and not much else. It did not bring anything new to the table technologically, nor legally (there are no border controls within Schengen anyway).

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 14:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 14:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
4. ZKevinTheCat 8:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Ediacaran biota

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I think something Ediacaran related should be added, probably Ediacaran biota. I know Ediacaran is already on here but I think something else should be added because it's the period that contains the first known animals on Earth, which imo is pretty important for understanding the history of life, and the Ediacaran article I think doesn't go into the topic well enough on its own. ZKevinTheCat (talk) 22:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Support adding Ediacaran biota. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Inferred support from nom: ZKevinTheCat (talk) -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

   I do support this ZKevinTheCat (talk) 08:55, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

3. Support, why not? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Strong Support An absolutely critical part of the story of life on earth, and a fascinating "what if" -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 23:51, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Toilet (room)  5

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A fairly common fixture in households, and a subtopic of Bathroom  4. Appropriate for level 5.

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1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 10:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Sure, should still have room, so why not? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
4. I know this has a half bathroom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:27, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Doh again. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Portable toilet  5

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A common sight at festivals and construction sites.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 11:01, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Sure, might be good to add composting toilet at some point too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
4. SupportTonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Street  5

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An integral part of urban life. Unlike Road  3, which primarily used for transportation, streets have other purposes such as public interaction.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:57, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support, but would prefer to list this under Cities (Urban studies and planning). feminist🚰 (talk) 16:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support  Carlwev  17:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support Gizza (talk) 22:14, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support, just adding to the avalanche. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

   Also agree it makes sense under Cities -> Urban studies ...; didn't realize that wasn't under Tech. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

7. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Facepalm yes, and add to V4 next. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:10, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Cell culture  5 and Plant tissue culture  5

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Commonly used techniques in biotechnology and molecular biology.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support both strongly, last I checked we're really under-represented on biotech. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Strong Support, they're fundamental techniques. -- Marchantiophyta (talk) 23:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:28, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support cell culture only. I am not sure plant tissue culture is as vital. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fax  5

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Used to be ubiquitous in offices.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🚰 (talk) 16:40, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support  Carlwev  17:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Pretty well-known technology that used to be very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:47, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support, still has its places at least in the US, and I've heard it's still pretty common in Japanese business. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Historically significant to be at V5. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Vileplume (talk) 01:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
9. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Flatulence  5

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"Fart" redirects here.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 15:28, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:40, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support Gizza (talk) 22:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support, normal bodily functions are pretty basic. Planning to put under Anatomy? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:33, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Vileplume (talk) 01:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
9. Insert witty comment here. I am tired. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Defecation  5

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Support

1. As nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 15:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support Gizza (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support, normal bodily functions are pretty basic. Planning to put under Anatomy? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Facepalm... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
9. Vileplume (talk) 01:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Constipation  5

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Support

1. As nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 15:33, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:40, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support surprised it's not listed yet. Gizza (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support, basic disorder of a bodily function, putting under Health conditions, right? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Yes. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:12, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
9. Vileplume (talk) 01:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Urination  5

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Support

1. As nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 16:06, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Could probably make VA4. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support should be at the same level as defecation, whatever that is. Open to Level 4. Gizza (talk) 22:16, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support, normal bodily functions are pretty basic. Planning to put under Anatomy? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Should be V4 together with defacation, I am afraid :P --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:13, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Vileplume (talk) 01:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
9. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Scroll  5

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The precursor to the Book  2, scrolls were a very important part of history and are still a very important part of culture. I would argue that this could make VA4.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Historically important. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:13, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 02:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Burping  5

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To me, it is a similar level of importance and vitality as flatulence, which is about to be listed, and hiccup, which is already listed.

Support

1. Support as nom. Gizza (talk) 22:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
3. This list has a long way to go if this isn't listed yet. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🚰 (talk) 03:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support, normal bodily functions are pretty basic. Planning to put under Anatomy? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Sure. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:13, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Vileplume (talk) 02:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Jaundice  5

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Common health condition due to dysfunction in the liver that affects up to 80% of babies, and in severe cases results in death. Has been getting 1771 views a day this year which is more than 85% of articles in the Health section. Gizza (talk) 22:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nom. Gizza (talk) 22:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Strong support, pretty well-known diagnostic symptom in medicine. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Vileplume (talk) 02:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Tears  5

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Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:48, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Add to Biology. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
3. We all lacrimate, want it or not. The Blue Rider 14:17, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Another shocking omission. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
5. J947 ‡ ^edits 21:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
6. If this is not listed, then we have a long way to go until the list is stable. Vileplume (talk) 11:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Right. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add one or more of Taxonomy, Classification, and Categorization

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Note that this Taxonomy article is more general than Taxonomy (biology)  3. Personally lean towards just adding Classification & Categorization, but thought I'd mention the 3rd one too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Classification & Categorization as nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

   Weak support for Taxonomy too; pretty ambivalent but no need to hold it up if others want it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

2. Support Classification & Categorization. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

   Change to also support Taxonomy. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 14:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

3. Support all three. All important concepts in information science Aurangzebra (talk) 06:57, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support all three. feminist🚰 (talk) 04:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

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• Just realized the plain Classification article is almost more like a disambiguation. Figure we should still an article for the concept, but we ultimately may want to refactor it along with Classification (general theory) at some point. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add medical equipment / items / topics #2

Add Orthotics

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. This type of specialized doctor is probably important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Spinal board

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 07:17, December 9, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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1. Oppose per article: no evidence that backboards immobilize the spine, nor do they improve the person's outcomes. starship.paint (RUN) 11:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Starship.paint. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Cervical collar

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 07:17, December 9, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 16:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Emergency medical technician

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:25, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
2. starship.paint (RUN) 03:07, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Surgical suture

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Stitches are a basic medical device. starship.paint (RUN) 02:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Very well-known, possibly VA4. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Forceps and/or Tweezers

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Support

1. Support both as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Add both. Basic tools. starship.paint (RUN) 02:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support both. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

   User:Zar2gar1 please clarify support for both or for which one.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

   Ah, missed the "and/or". There's actually more overlap than I realized. We have room though so let's put them both on the list and let them percolate (maybe merge someday?) Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

4. Support both. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Catheter

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Basic medical equipment. starship.paint (RUN) 02:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Incision and drainage

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:05, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Aspirator (medicine) or Suction (medicine)

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose both - upon reconsidering, interwikis seem few for both. Suction itself is not vital and has more interwikis. starship.paint (RUN) 12:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Starship.paint. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:03, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Speculum (medicine)

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Decent interwikis. starship.paint (RUN) 11:08, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Tongue depressor

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Common. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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1. Oppose, another very basic item (dictionary article?) Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
2. per Zar2gar1. starship.paint (RUN) 07:12, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
3. per Zar2gar1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Retractor (medicine)

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Support

1. Support as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:12, December 11, 2023 (UTC)-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:01, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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1. Only 5 interwikis, indicating low vitality. starship.paint (RUN) 09:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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Add Reflex hammer

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This is as much a symbolic tool as the stethoscope.

Support

1. As nominator -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support, skimming the article persuaded me; it has some interesting details on various procedures. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Pretty common tool. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. This has 7 interwikis, not comparable to stethoscope, which has 72 interwikis. starship.paint (RUN) 09:31, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

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