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A stub article for Bhisham Kohli's 2002 version[1] of Aakheer is at AFD... not to be confused with his 2007 remake.[2] Is it souracble? Salvagable? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Argh.. its one of those "almost B movie" cases. Would have released in a few obscure theaters and gone straight to video/satellite TV next. Such films almost never get mainstream reviews (even in vernacular sources). The best we can do do is prove it exists but i dont think we will be able to find any reviews or coverage.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:54, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to give you that headache. Had there been an article on its director, I would have encouraged a merge/redirect... specially as he does seem to himself be prolific enough to be notable. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:58, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Lost Stories

Um....Lost Stories are signed to Tiesto's Blackhole Recordings, have been tremendously supported by 8 of the worlds top 10 DJs; including world #1 Armin van Buuren ("Tune of the week, Massive track by Lost Stories!") and have also had their tracks and remixes in the top charts of leading download portals like Beatport & Audiojelly! They have also completed official remixes for Markus Schulz, Andy Moor, BT, Andy Duguid and Mr Sam among many others! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.164.16.245 (talk) 20:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

The "notability" i have mentioned in the AfD is Wikipedia's notability criteria. For bands, it is listed clearly in WP:BAND. If Lost Stories meets any of the criteria listed, then please prove it by adding reliable sources that can verify the claims.--Sodabottle (talk) 03:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Lost Stories wikipage

Hey,

The Lost Stories needs refinement & updation which i can do this weekend, but shouldnt be deleted. Their myspace has voice clips of the world #1 DJ Armin van Buuren praising their music, which is released on huge lables as listed on discogs - http://www.discogs.com/artist/Lost+Stories They also have 3500+ fans on facebook so obviously arent some fake smalltime act - www.tinyurl.com/LostStoriesFB We are new to Wikipedia entries (obviously) and dont really know what else counts as credible sources?

Please advise.

Deepak bookings@loststories.in —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.164.16.13 (talk) 21:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

No of fans in facebook and praise from well known musicians is not the criteria used for including bands in wikipedia. The criteria is listed in WP:BAND and the references for any assertions (like reviews, praise from fellow musicians etc) should come from reliable sources. For meeting the reliable sources criteria, the coverage must be in independent third party media like newspapers, magazines or TV shows. The band's website itself doesn't count as it is a primary source. So look for such coverage, use it to source the article. Don't worry if the article gets deleted (it looks like it will be). As long as you can meet the conditions for inclusion in wikipedia (notability per WP:BAND and the quality of coverage through WP:RS, the article can be recreated. I suggest, you recreate it in your userspace, ask someone to review it if it meets wikipedia's policies, then move it into actual wikipedia mainspace. --Sodabottle (talk) 04:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Keyan20‎

Can you take a look at Keyan20‎ (talk · contribs) contrib history? Too much fan boy syndrome, and some dubious sourcing, but most importantly, he went on a rampage to add Tamil script, and in the process changed ta wiki links to his preferred spellings and they're now dead. I'm supposed to be off-wiki now, so I can't do much!!! cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 16:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

i am repairing his links--Sodabottle (talk) 17:00, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage

Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Just want to make sure I notify both sides of the relevant debate per WP:Canvass - a discussion related to Famine in india is on at: [3] Zuggernaut (talk) 00:06, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

We are reaching a resolution

Hi, please look at my last comment here and help resolve the issue to a conclusion. Amartya ray2001 (talk) 14:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

congratulations

for becoming admin. --CarTick 19:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

thanks!. we could do with your help there. lotsa work to be done ;-)--Sodabottle (talk) 19:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

i know. some day. :) i am assuming your move there is based on your belief English wikipedia is still not very useful for a large number of Tamil wikipedia users. I have been trying to convert a lot of my friends into wikipedia users and so far I havent had any success. good luck. --CarTick 19:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Your assumption is partly correct. My experience at the semmozhi manaadu was an eyeopener. There is great demand for solid Tamil content and its upto us to step up. But there is a more selfish motive to my move. I first went there to try and win a laptop (failed miserably ;-)). Then i started writing Tamil books and now i need to polish up my long dormant tamil language skills.

And we have started a campaign to kidnap En wiki Tamil contributors to ta. wiki. LogicWiki is our newest recruit. ;-). So i thought i would make the pitch to you too. The best thing there is there are very few edit wars going on and i have a clear field to produce content rapidly. Sometimes it is like an echo chamber, where one is operating alone, but amazing amount of work gets done--Sodabottle (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

i believe you. it would be easy to translate featured articles from English wikipedia. My Tamil is not very good and still havent figured out how to write in Tamil online. --CarTick 19:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I use NHM writer for phonetic transliteration. There is an alternate and faster method called tamill99, but it has a steeper learning curve. If you use linux, SCIM packages are available.--Sodabottle (talk) 19:35, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

will try. and good luck for your book writing. is it fiction or non-fiction? --CarTick 19:37, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

non-fiction. still not good enough for fiction. hope to get there someday ;-) --Sodabottle (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

looking forward to reading ur book someday. --CarTick 19:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, congrats! But lets work here as well. Srikanth (Logic) 10:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

dont know whom they are going to hire for this.--CarTick 17:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

i think they will be hiring only secretarial/clerical staff. User Sundar is a board member of the india chapter. He would know more about the plans. --Sodabottle (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations Bala. Let your tireless contribution continue in Thamizh wiki too. Let Thamizh community across the globe get benefitted from your valuable contributions. Wasifwasif (talk) 13:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Wasif--Sodabottle (talk) 14:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey, congratulations! Will we have to make you an admin to keep you contributing here as well :) --RegentsPark (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Regents. I plan to come back again in a couple of months and then contribute to both wikis.--Sodabottle (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

lol

this is funny! --CarTick 21:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

we are pitching everyone ;-)--Sodabottle (talk) 03:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Help - Using ta.wiki Images in en.wiki

Hi Soda,
Can you help me in using ta.wiki Images in en.Wiki. I want to use ta:படிமம்:Tanjai1000.jpg, ta:படிமம்:Tanjai_stamp.jpg, & ta:படிமம்:Rajarajancoin.jpg Images in en.wiki. Pls help me. ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 11:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

We can't use cross wiki images. Only commons images can be used across wikis. For these download them to you pc. upload them to en. wiki again with detailed fair use criteria (else they will be deleted)--Sodabottle (talk) 11:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Small request. I know u'll b busy but still can you upload the above ta.wiki images in Commons.WikiM. Because really i'm not conversant in using appropriate Image Copyrights policies. Too many image usage policies. really they are confusing which one to use & how to use. Those are all very informative images & i dont want them to be tagged as CV. Will u pls upload al those. i require it for all expanding Brihadeeswarar Temple - Commemorative Stamp and Coin Release----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 11:42, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

we can't upload them to commons as the Govt of India owns the copyright and commons does not allow copyrighted or fair use images. They are very strict in this matter. You upload them them to en wiki. i will try to write the fair use rationale properly. (i think en wiki fair use policies won't allow them to illustrate Raja raja, but we can still try)

I think i'm done Soda. Pls have a look unsigned comment added by Raj6644 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I have added some more lines to the fair use criteria. But am still not sure, whether these will stand scrutiny (en. wiki sometimes is very strict on fair use and sometimes lenient. So be prepared to accept deletion ;-)). If you want to be absolutely sure, ask Moonriddengirl to take a look. She is our inhouse expert on all copyright issues.--Sodabottle (talk) 13:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

First you said Commons is Strict & asked me 2upload in en.wiki!!!. And now "en. wiki sometimes is very strict on fair use" :) God help meeeeee.----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 13:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

copyright is always tough ;-). And our govt keeps all its images to itself. what to do. I should have meant - commons is ultra strict - no fair use images at all. Anyway, ask MRG, she would know right away if they are ok or not. --Sodabottle (talk) 13:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

use of fair use images is somewhat against the purpose of what wikipedia is for. we should try to avoid it as much as we could. please try to find a free suitable image. --CarTick 14:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, am not expert here, but arent the last 2 images taken from newspaper? Looks like a picture from some tamil daily for me which means the copyright is with them and not the govt.Correct me if am wrong. Srikanth (Logic) 17:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

If someone takes a picture of something already copyrighted, they dont own the copyright of the photograph. For example if i take a photo of a 5 rs coin without adding something to the arrangement which changes the presentation significantly, it is still considered a representation of the original coin design. The photos in question faithfully reproduce the govt's image, so GOI is the copyright holder.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to every1 for clarifying the Copyrights related issues. Lets see whether the images can withstand the scrutiny. If not then will approach MRG or some1. ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 04:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Non-free files in your user space

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Ekal Vidyalaya

Something tells me this is going to be a long-term job... Aymatth2 (talk) 13:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

True. It is your typical right wing conspiracy ;-). They have money and numerous fanboys among the indian immigrant communities in the west (with all the speedy internet connections). So they will keep on tring to whitewash their article. We will be keeping our fingers in the dyke for a long time ;-)--Sodabottle (talk) 14:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I suppose it is just politics, BJP versus Congress. Other edits have tried to blacken the picture. I suppose some of the USA politics-related articles are worse. I can imagine the edit history on Sarah Palin! Aymatth2 (talk) 15:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Check Please

Hi there! Have a look at this arun talk 15:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey thanks Arun, looks like the sock of the use who was edit warring in kanyakumari district. --Sodabottle (talk) 16:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello Mr Arun, since you are so much interested in cleaning up the pages by deleting other language scripts, I can give you some job. If you wish and allow me. I can give you pages having other language scripts. For today you plz cleanp (1) North Malabar Gramin Bank (2) Theyyam (3) Kalliasseri. Please clean up these pages. Then tomorrow I will give you another set of three. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Utharamalabar (talk • contribs) 06:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Its better. Thank u da. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Utharamalabar (talk • contribs) 07:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Soda , Entha Kosu tholla thaanga mudiyala da saamy! ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 10:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

wikipediala idhellam sadharanamappa ;-)--Sodabottle (talk) 10:30, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

என்ன சாமீ கொசு தொல்ல தாங்க முடியவில்லென்ன குட் நைட் போட்டுவிடப்பா. --Utharamalabar (talk) 12:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Dear Utharamalabar, you sound like you can be an useful contributor. In a time, wikipedia suffers from severe shortage of editors, we will be very happy to have you jump into mainstream editing in stead of fighting in the fringes for silly things. --CarTick 13:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Utharamalabar, Our life is very short. Y to waste time in Verbal Battling. We are not going to lose anything here. I'm also like u initially then changed myself. Now u r not a new contributor. U have lot of potential to built good articles. Y cant we focus on so many other topics which is still untouched. Come on Man, lets get out of this. ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 04:19, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Karthik and Raj, ரொம்ப நன்றி for the encouraging words.--Utharamalabar (talk) 05:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Flipkart.jpg

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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk 03:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello. The Flipkart logo is surely {{PD-textlogo}} rather than a non-free logo. The textlogo template is for logos which "only consist of typefaces, individual words, slogans, or simple geometric shapes", just like this one. The template goes on to say that "these are not eligible for copyright alone" because the do not cross the threshold of originality. They can be, and are usually, protected by trademarks and similar, but not by copyright. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that Angus. I had thought since "flipkart" is not an existing word, that arrangement has crossed the threshold originality and is applicable for the logo too.--Sodabottle (talk) 03:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Dayananda Gunawardena

could you please assist me to solve problem of this article ? --Wipeouting (talk) 13:50, 5 October 2010 (UTC) Dear friend, thanks lots for your kind full reply, I did it one vision on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dayananda_Gunawardena/Temp at the moment if you can assist me , it would be great. I can learn after review your edition . --Wipeouting (talk) 14:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear friend , Thanks lots for your Kind full Assistance and information. I lean after read your edition. I will do my other writing following your points. Again, Thanks and best --Wipeouting (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Vellore page Vandalised by "For4me"

Some guy by name "For4me" reverted the page to some 2008 content. It seems this guy has a local copy of the page and he had simply pasted that. You can see the differences,using the URL I have given. So all our changes from then had gone. So I tried my best to bring them back. Thanks for asking and I appreicate it.

My aplogies for the language. I was really frustated with that. I have reverted most of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geico2000 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

You removed my changes because you can not face facts and are spreading falsehood in the name of free encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.169.184.239 (talk) 18:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Village pump

In case you are no longer watching, I proposed a solution to your ta: problem there: to transclude the pages. Rich Farmbrough, 04:55, 7 October 2010 (UTC).

WP:MSE

Hello! Would you be interested in joining WikiProject Multi-sport events? We work on improving Wikipedia's coverage of multi-sport events. If so, please feel free to add your name to the members list! Thanks!

Rahul^{Text me} 10:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Lionel Wendt

Dear friend, My other article is going to be copyright infringement. I tried write this one with your points. could you please see and give some tips.Talk:Lionel Wendt/Temp ? --Wipeouting (talk) 04:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear friend, I tried to remove most of text which relate to original. Could you pls see again. Best --Wipeouting (talk) 16:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

If you have time pls see this article--Wipeouting (talk) 05:15, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

did You have a time to read this article ? --Wipeouting (talk) 09:10, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Time is extremely tight right now. gimme a couple of days.--Sodabottle (talk) 11:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear friend ,I really appreciate if you can assist me to protect this article.Talk:Lionel Wendt/Temp--Wipeouting (talk) 05:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geet (TV series)

Could you look in at the article? It has a hellishly overlong plot section, but the topic does seem to meet notability. I value your assessment. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Cproundtable.jpg

Can you please move this photo to Wikimedia Commons for use in the Tamil article? :-) I don't have a Commons account.-The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 01:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

PD-India doesn't apply here if it was published in a London paper. And if it was a london paper the copyright status is not clear per PD-UK. (70 years from the death of author and if author unknown 70 years from publication). Since we cannot conclusively prove that the author is unknown, it isn't PD yet. Commons is strict in such cases, so we cant upload it there. Probably upload it to ta. wiki with a fair use rationale.--Sodabottle (talk) 03:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Rescue Pls - Brahadeeswarar Temple Millennium Year - Commemorative Stamp

Soda, User:Ww2censor has tagged the file (Brahadeeswarar Temple Millennium Year-Commemorative Stamp) for deletion by citing Wikipedia:NFC#Images compliance / rules. Pls see the discussion for rescuing the file. Also have a look at my talk page ----Raj 6644(தமிழன்) 06:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I am afraid no rescue for this. I saw this yesterday and read the relevant policy pages. He is correct, since the text itself is enough add that particular information, the image falls outside the fairuse criteria :-(. --Sodabottle (talk) 07:26, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

5000 bucks?!hmm.gotto think abt it.thanks dude...Mayan302 (talk) 11:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Electoral symbols

FYA Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 07:47, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Chennai

The IP is a little sneaky. Look at the edit summary used and the following edit to wl India. looks like he/she took an effort to hide the first edit. also, I doubt if that is what it means in Spanish. --CarTick (talk) 17:20, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

looks like a hoaxer. google translate says it doesn't mean what he says it does. stupid hoaxers.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:ContributeToTamilWikipedia

Might save sometime for you. Template:ContributeToTamilWikipedia Srikanth (Logic) 04:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Should also mention about SUL id creation and a link to it in the template saying same user id can be used? Srikanth (Logic) 04:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the template :-). I don't want to mention the SUL - Want to keep the message as short as possible.--Sodabottle (talk) 04:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Hope to see this posted in many users' pages gradually--Ravishankar (talk) 18:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Sure Ravi. Sodabottle, should we be changing "experienced wiki contributors" to "energitic wiki contributors" in the message? Refer the context here Srikanth (Logic) 06:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Nadar article

r there ways to lock the page.many anons (nadars and others) r frequently botherin the page by includin somethin completely irrelevant.o should i jus revert all the edits.Mayan302 (talk) 07:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

India

I am extremely sorry about it, I mistakenly pressed the rollback in my watchlist, but then stopped the edit by pressed Stop on the browser. I checked my contributions, to check if it had happened or not. My contributions did not show the entry, so I assumed it did not happen. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 08:53, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

image clarification

Hello guys, please see that asking again & again it disturbs me. I am trying to make the best work that I can meeting the norms. Raising questions again & again clearly violates the trust on a regular user who does work based on true facts/events. I agree kamal with sivaji.jpg ( no 4 and 5 ) feels like a screen-shot from the movie Thevar Magan, so you are doubting that. This image I got from my collections if you can prove the copyright claim, I give you the right to do what you feel like. I have lot of connections in Tamil cine world. I cant explain all here. Beleive me I am truthful guy and want to be. But raising questions on Ilaiyaraja the maestro.jpg, Anbazhagan.jpg is not at all fair -- all are incidents inheriting with my previous works. Beleive me, give some air to inhale. All are bowing arrows at me in a single shot. Jayalalitha image is already there in wiki but not in wikicommons, so I added it. Trust me here - whatelse you want me. Please !!

I owe you all with good respect and continued experience working so long here. But do not view all like the same. I started in wiki casually. You know I use wiki right from year 2004 heavily. But all these times I never made efforts/learned whats going behind wiki & others. Seeing me daily constantly using wiki, one of my friend told me some basic instructions how to edit wiki. So I slowly started and now just like it doing. I do work based on my heart and truth. I am not mistaking you for all that you do, but never never take all cases to be the same and since you had experienced before like this and expecting it to be the same. what can I say, I feel I am throwned away.

Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 22:08, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

On h-index

As you've commented (based on h-index) in Bruce Eckel AfD, I think your input would be certainly useful on somewhat similar Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chuck Allison and Articles for deletion/Kevin J. Sullivan (both are IMHO borderline cases). Ipsign (talk) 04:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Ramakrishnan

Why did you retain the physicist tag? And why include the other winners in the lede in such a small article? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 06:14, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

still getting around to it.--Sodabottle (talk) 06:52, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. The KKM010 version was lifted from Brittanica. Was thinking how to reword it while retaining the info. But couldnt do that and have ended up with one that almost matches the one you were reverting to.--Sodabottle (talk) 07:13, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, I didn't think of checking for copyvio, I'd found a copyvio in an earlier edit of his, but thought it was just a random error. Will probably need to check on that. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 07:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

October 2010

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Ram Sharan Sharma. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. -- Cirt (talk) 21:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Please, engage in discussion, and if necessary, WP:Dispute resolution processes, at Talk:Ram Sharan Sharma. -- Cirt (talk) 21:47, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe this. So now removing libelous claims from a BLP is considered edit warring? I tried to talk to the user in the article's talk page, and then in his talk page. He kept adding the libelous claims back and then started using abusive edit summaries. The fourth time i reverted, i promptly went to ANI asking others to take a look. The user then libeled the subject in the aNI thread (which had to be redacted) and warned. He abused other editors who agreed with me that the material was libel and had to be removed. The discussion was moved to BLP noticeboard where atleast four other editors (off2riorob, dougweller, dgg) agreed with my original position, that the additions were libel. The user then insults us some more there and disappears and all appears quiet.

Now you pop up seven days later and template me along with the libeler. Please read the threads before you drive away vandalism reverters with such thoughtless actions.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

There were a lot of reverts going on, back-and-forth and back-and-forth. Best to step back, report the matter, and engage in discussion, at the article's talk page, and if necessary, pursue WP:Dispute resolution. -- Cirt (talk) 05:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

There were about six reverts over two days. the second day i exceeded 3rr went straight to the ANI thread. And whats with putting "discussion" in quotes?. You are seriously suggesting i hold hands with a libeler and encourage him?. I was civil, to the point and told how to add it to the criticism section, if it can be sourced.

so if someone keeps adding "x is a paedophile" (unsourced) to a blp, i am to wait and report the matter and seek dispute resolution?. Did you even read the ANI and BLP noticeboard threads? --Sodabottle (talk) 06:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

You could try to get someone else to intervene, rather than the back-and-forth reverts. -- Cirt (talk) 06:50, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

It was a BLP and i was being bold. Once i exceeded the 3rr limit i went to the ANI. This was not a content dispute. He was adding personal research and libelous statements for days in the article. A few other people had already reverted him without success. I step in, manage to stop him and i get slapped with a edit warring template. I don't think you are going to admit you made a mistake. I will drop it here and keep your template as an example what happens to people who try to revert vandalism --Sodabottle (talk) 07:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Sodabottle has generously dropped the matter but it is worth noting that the removal of libelous or poorly sourced contentious material in a blp does not count as edit-warring. Warning him implies that the admin has examined the edits and concluded that they are neither libelous nor poorly sourced. (There is also not much point in warning an editor several days after the 'edit-war' has ceased, nor is it necessary to use a template on a long-time editor such as sodabottle, but never mind.)--RegentsPark (talk) 13:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

This is a systemic problem. i wouldnt blame anybody. nobody has the time to go to root of the problem. unfortunately, wikipedia has established a tradition in which both responsible users and vandals are treated equally when there is edit warring. as often has been the case, vandals with a strong agenda-driven resolve have their way. I agree with RP, Soda has an excellent track record. --CarTick 14:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words RP and Cartick. I contemplated dragging Cirt to the ANI noticboard, but thought better of it. The best that could happen is i get a perfunctory apology. So decided to drop the issue and let him bug someone else. I guess he was working out of some edit warring list and automatically templating everyone. (thus the seven day lag before the template appeared here). --Sodabottle (talk) 15:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sodabottle, I agree with the comments here, I have always found you a responsible contributor. I also felt unduly templated by this user:cirt yesterday, and other users commented that he also protected articles without need. Off2riorob (talk) 15:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

		Civility Award
		IMHO, this whole matter with Ram Sharan Sharma has been handled by Sodabottle in the best possible and civil way (this includes not pursuing Cirt who IMHO acted in WP:GOODFAITH though IMHO was wrong in this matter). Ipsign (talk) 06:37, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you IPsign :-)--Sodabottle (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Not at all (and BTW I obviously didn't imply that we have to agree on all the other matters) :-) Ipsign (talk) 13:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Bolo Na Tumi Amar

You're my go-to guy. Could you look in and check sources? Thanks, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

i don't know bengali. But if Jayanta and Ragib say it is non-notable, it is non-notable :-)--Sodabottle (talk) 04:49, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

hi there, vanakkam.....i'm sugen from penang, malaysia........ would like to get to know you..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.k.sugendharan (talk • contribs) 04:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

DMK - ADMK

Hey. Just a quick query. Thirumavalavan seems to claim in one of his books that there was an atempt by KAP Vishwanathan to unify DMK and AIADMK during MGR's time. Is that true? Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 15:12, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

it appears correct! --CarTick (talk) 15:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes this was in 1980. indira was a common enemy to both. indira dismisses mk in 76 and seems like she will be back to power in 80 after janata coalition falls apart. So biju patnaik flies down to chennai in 80 and attempts to forge a common anti-congress front in TN. the formula was mgr stays on as CM while MK stays on as party head. There was one direct meeting between MK and MGR, but MGR backed out a few days later. MK then did the whole "neruvin magalae varuga, nilayana aatchi tharuga" and went over to the Congress camp. In nenjukku needhi (or some other interview i am not sure) he claimed, it was panruti ramachandran who spoiled the rapproachment effort. --Sodabottle (talk) 17:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

here is MK's version of the story. --Sodabottle (talk) 17:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks guys. --Wiki San Roze ^†αLҝ 08:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Im new here.thanks for your suggestions. Finding it difficult to add many things.Plz help me contribute —Preceding unsigned comment added by ERICTHEKING (talk • contribs) 18:39, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

how to reply from my gtalk page? and Veerapandiyakattaboman movie was based on the work of Ma.Po.Si. can you add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ERICTHEKING (talk • contribs) 18:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

How to Add photos of Ministers?

Ministers photos available from Government Website. How to add them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ERICTHEKING (talk • contribs) 20:44, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Special recognition

		Award of Special Recognition
		I am honored to present you with this barnstar in special recognition of your continued good work in improving the encyclopedia in the area of Indian Cinema, as most recently exemplified by your improvements to the article Aastha Chaudhary. Where others sometimes fail in their searches for sources, you succeed. I am proud to be able to congratulate you on your continued diligence. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks MQS :-)--Sodabottle (talk) 04:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

illayaraja image.

Hello sodabottle. You too join with others and claim I am the criminal. Sodabottle you know very well that in Ilaiyaraaja article on para "Impact and musical style" as accordance to the statements quoted by mani ratnams view - the non-free rationale image is added and truely it depicts that. Even that image page purpose of use - clearly states that use. That image is mainly to illustrate the article. It is not possible to replace it with others. Touch your heart and speak here. You know the truth.

And in other image illayaraja with kalam is truely in the public domain and gave that reference also. It is found on picasa album on public domain. Its usage is neutral and normal. Sodabottle I see you and others as wikipedian with experience. But mistakenly I am viewed as a thief for all I do and especially user SpacemanSpiff always treats me like a wanted criminal. This is not fair sodabottle. Along with you I also want to do my best on improving articles, especially missing really very very important core datas and facts. Understand me. Allow me.

Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 00:20, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The Illayaraja with Kalam is not in public domain. There is a big copyright sign with all rights reserved sign on the Picasa page. You are still trying to pass it off as being in public domain. Thats stealing and lying. Like i said before, i am done assuming good faith with you. And regarding the Fair use criteria for the other picture, it applies if the image itself is adding anything extra to the article and is being described in the article. This is the last time i am going to reply to you in my talk page of yours. Quit bugging mer--Sodabottle (talk) 04:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

sugendharan

i'm fine.......... wud like to learn & also advise from u to contribute in wikipedia...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.k.sugendharan (talk • contribs) 08:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

great........ i noticed that you had helped to change the title 'T.V.Rathinam' to 'T. V. Rathinam', which is of course the proper one..... wonder how could I do it..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.k.sugendharan (talk • contribs) 08:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

oh I see, thx for the info....... u see, the title Sri Mariamman Temple, Penang is wrong..... it should be Sri Mahamariamman Temple, Penang........ can this be changed accordingly ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.k.sugendharan (talk • contribs) 08:57, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

thx for the info, but i cud not find the 'Move' link........ —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.k.sugendharan (talk • contribs) 09:08, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

i see it........ i was struggling to do this withoit any knowledge....... thx for the great help... as i do not want the wrong name for a temple which is the oldest in penang, and 2nd oldest in malaysia which was built by the hardwork of our tamil people from tanjore/ramnad area who had landed along with capt. francis light back in 1786..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.k.sugendharan (talk • contribs) 09:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Newsletter

Are there any images of the ta.wiki stall and volunteers at WCTC? If so, could you please add them to the newsletter by tonight (or send me the link)? I searched Commons but could not find any :( Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 13:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

ashe

please review Collector Ashe's Page. I've just created it ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by ERICTHEKING (talk • contribs) 16:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ERICTHEKING (talk • contribs) 17:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

We should make the term Collector ashe to re direct here ````

could you please any other user to contact other than you for edits regarding tamil nadu?````

That was good work. very impressive for a new user :-). I have created the redirect as you suggested. For Tamil Nadu related articles, other than me users User:CarTick and User:SpacemanSpiff are currently active. User:Wikiality123 is semi active. Cartick, wikiality and me are the history/politics guys. Spiff is an administrator and usually takes care of admin related actions. For Tamil films, Johannes003, EelamStylez and UniversalHero are the currently active editors. --Sodabottle (talk) 17:19, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

yeah yeah..Jus noticed that. I stand correctedERICTHEKING (talk) 17:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the appreciation. Actually Im a civil servant in the tamilnadu civil services(will be joining soon)ERICTHEKING (talk) 17:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Bharatha Matha Association

No page is ther for Bharathamatha association or Jaihind shenbakaraman or Neelakanda bhramachari. Please try to create a page. I'll fill in those pages. I'm finding it difficult since I'm being new here!ERICTHEKING (talk) 17:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Will start on those in the coming days. Wiki editing gets easier with practice. Once you are past your first couple of articles, you will gain speed.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:44, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

How to edit my Home page and set it like you?ERICTHEKING (talk) 17:57, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

What exactly do you want to do with your home page. I checked it and you have correctly copied the user boxes from my homepage. Only the PSG Tech alumnus boxes was askew as there was no box present already. I have created it in your user space User:ERICTHEKING/Userboxes/PSG Tech and added it to your home page. Any other change you want specifically?--Sodabottle (talk) 05:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Chera Dynasty

Can you take a look at this please? It's gone to a complete state of disrepair and needs some protection, but I'll do it after you take a look and do some clean up. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 08:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Vaseegaran

Do you know anything at all about this chap? —SpacemanSpiff 13:21, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

yes he was in the awful Bharathiraja film called Kangalal Kaidhu Sei. Disappeared after that. The second movie uyirezhuthu was announced. but i am not sure if production began or not. doesn't meet our WP:ENT. I have prodded it.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Languages

Reg this, I think the IP was right here, don't think it's really relevant to this article, no? —SpacemanSpiff 13:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

mmm.. you are right. i saw the section blanking and reverted automatically. will self revert.--Sodabottle (talk) 13:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Reg this, I think the IP was right too. The article uses a mix of both with BC-AD being more common, so for consistency sake the IP changed to one single form; as you can see, in some of the changes the original used BC-CE which is even worse (e.g. "Scholars categorise the attested history of the language into three periods, Old Tamil (300 BC – 700 CE),"). cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 07:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

doh! i dint see that. have self reverted now.--Sodabottle (talk) 07:36, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Deepika Padukone

i don't have a tamil wikipedia talk page. i don't know what you are talking about. Chanvis18 (talk) 05:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

i am sorry, chanvis18 is me but i didn't know i had a tamil wikipedia page until you told me about it. thanks for letting me know. now to answer your question i did the tamil translation using google indic. look at deepika padukone's name written in hindi. it's not தீபிகா படுகோனே but தீபிகா படுகோண்.

Chanvis18 (talk) 05:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject India Newsletter Volume V, Issue no. 2 - November 2010

English WikiProject News After a missed issue, the WP:IND newsletter is back on track to being a regular bimonthly feature. The Indian WikiProject has seen plenty of online and off-line action, both in English as well as other Indian languages, and we now have a bigger, better format that intends to feature content and news from the English as well as other Indian language Wikipedias. Reaching out to Indians has been the theme of the Indian Wikiproject over the past couple of months, aiming to involve a greater number of Indians in editing both the English and Indian language Wikipedias. To this end, efforts to set up the Indian chapter of Wikimedia have moved into their final stages, and registration of the society is currently pending. An effort is underway to push for "WikiMarathons" at meetups, where attendees will be encouraged to edit the English and/or Indian language Wikipedias. This is intended to popularise Wikipedia editing among the general public. In addition, a bot to post DYK's from the Indian Wikiproject to Twitter was created and launched by User:Logicwiki. What's New? Regrettably, the number of Featured Articles has dropped from 63 in June to 58 at the end of October 2010. Several FAs came up for review and were delisted, while Fundamental Rights, Directive Principles and Fundamental Duties of India was saved. Meanwhile, Chalukya Dynasty appeared on the main page on July 9, 2010. Hearteningly, the number of Good Articles increased from 130 to 136 during the same period, while the number of Featured Lists remained constant at 16. The source code for the Article Alert Bot is now available and the bot itself is expected to be up and running very shortly. This means that article alerts for the Indian Wikiproject will again be available, enabling editors to easily keep track of developments in respect of reviews, nominations, deletions etc. The date change vandal mentioned briefly in the previous issue made a reappearance when the range block on his IP range expired in September. Consequently the block was extended till September 2011. In October there was a heated discussion in the India project noticeboard regarding the copyright status of the Indian party symbols. The discussion was triggered by the deletion of Wiki San Roze's party symbol images by Hammersoft as copyright violations. No resolution was reached, partly because of our inability to explain to Hammersoft how election symbols in India differ from party logos. Comments are requested from anyone with a background in Indian copyright law to clarify this issue. Complete To Do List Complete To Do List India-related tasks | Indian noticeboard Requests: Sibichen K Mathew, Dominic Emmanuel, AK Merchant, Counterfeiting of currency notes in India, Akhand Pratap Singh, Asura (band), Asian Variety Show, Cultural liberalism in India, India Export Tax, India Import Tax, More... NPOV: Greater Nepal Rajneesh, Ranjit Lal Jetley Hedgewar, Puttanna Kanagal, Bride burning, Sonia Gandhi More... Wikify: Railway stations, Mahavidwan R. Raghava Iyengar, Silk in the Indian subcontinent, IDBI Bank More... Cleanup: , Rampur, Tav-Prasad Savaiye, Shipping Corporation of India, Velama, Medical college (India), All India Radio, More... Merge: Raghava Rama, Sammar Bahisht, Sathya Sai Baba movement,More... Expand: Prime Minister of India, Krishna district, List of railway stations in India, Swaraj, Ashoka Kumar Thakur vs. Union of India (Supreme Court Case), Barak Missile Deal Scandal, 14th Lok Sabha, Adithada, Ali Sardar Jafri, Bandhani work, Bhaiband, Chikan (embroidery), China Town, Kolkata, Rahi Masoom Raza, Energy policy of India, Essar Shipping, Fair use, Hinduism in India, Imperial Bank, Inbuan Wrestling, Iran-India relations, Islam in India, Arjuna award, Sunil Mittal, Save Indian Family, Anjana Sukhani, Rajendra K. Pachauri, More... Stubs: Anand Math, A R Antule, Arjuna award, Army of India, Bapudeva Sastri, Bombay Dyeing, Indian Copyright Act, Marimallappa, Mumbai Skywalk, More... Translate: Bhojpuri Wikipedia articles, Maithili Wikipedia articles, Telugu Wikipedia articles, Marathi Wikipedia articles, Hindi Wikipedia articles, Sanskrit Wikipedia articles, Tamil Wikipedia articles Kannada Wikipedia articles Collaborate: Collaborations of the Month, Notice board, Category Adoptions To do, Version 1.0 assessment, India Portal, Life in India, India quick links Indian Wikipedians, More... Requested images: Ilaiyaraaja, M. S. Subbulakshmi, R. K. Narayan, Free image of Aarti Chhabria Other requests: Add maps from WikiProject India Maps to articles of Indian regions found at List of regions in India Create links/categories to {{Elections in India}} template

News from Indian-language Wikipedias The Bengali Wikisource, which contains the literary works of many prominent writers of Bengali language including Rabindranath Tagore, has crossed the 5,000 pages milestone. According to List of Wikisource page, Bengali Wikisource is now at rank 21 among 56 Wikisource based on number of content pages. The Tamil Wikipedia stall at the World Classical Tamil Conference 2010 in Coimbatore in June 2010. The uploading of Tamil technical words donated by Tamil Virtual University to the Tamil Wiktionary was completed in October. The words were donated by the Government of Tamil Nadu due to lobbying efforts by Tamil Wikipedians during the runup to the World Classical Tamil Conference 2010 (WCTC) in June. Nearly 70,000 words were uploaded increasing the word count in Tamil Wiktionary from 1,20,000+ to 1,90,000+. This has brought Tamil to the 10th place (from 17) in the list of largest wiktionaries and has earned it a place in the Wiktionary front page logo. In addition, Tamil Wikipedians set up a stall at the WCTC and introduced Tamil Wiki projects to people from all walks of life. Jimmy Wales introduces the Malayalam Wikipedia CD of 500 selected articles during his key note address at Wikimania 2010 at Gdansk. The Hindi Wikipedia and its sister wiki projects migrated to the new vector interface on September 1, 2010. In addition, Hindi is the first (and so far the only) Indian language to be incorporated into the WikiBhasha translation and contribution toolkit developed by Microsoft Research. Malayalam wikimedian Santhosh Thottingal has developed a software (Wiki2CD) for the creation of the Malayalam Wikipedia CD, which was launched in 2010. In addition, Santosh, along with fellow Malayalam wikimedian Shiju Alex coordinated a panel discussion at Wikimania 2010 on creation of offline Wiki content.

Community news The first meetup in Delhi on 22 September 2010. Mumbai and Delhi held their first meetups in September, where Wikimedia Board members Barry Newstead and Bishakha Datta met up with Wikipedians and other interested members of the public in these cities. A month later, Hyderabad also held its first meetup. Arun Ram, Shiju Alex and Barry Newstead releasing the Wikimedia India community newsletter at the nineteenth Bangalore meetup on 24 September 2010. Wikipedians in Bangalore continued their tradition of meeting up regularly at the Centre for Internet and Society, with the nineteenth meetup in September featuring Barry and Bishaka as attendees, and marking the release of the community newsletter. Along with Delhi and Mumbai, Bangalore is reported to be one of the three cities in contention for the Indian office of the Wikipedia Foundation. Jimmy Wales speech at the Mumbai Wikipedia Meetup #3 on 31 October 2010. Intro by User:Bishdatta & User:Arunram. (Recorded by User:AshLin.) Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales had an interaction with Wikipedians followed by a presentation to members of the public at the third Wikipedia meetup in Mumbai on October 31, 2010. The first Wikimarathon, where Wikipedians and members of the public were encouraged to contribute to Wikimedia projects onsite, was held simultaneously at the meetups in Bangalore and Chennai on November 14, 2010. Wikipedians in Delhi also held a meetup the same day. The Malayalam Wikipedia held several academies in different parts of Kerala over the past few months. Wikimedia Foundation board member Bishakha Datta and Indian Wikipedian Srinivas Gunta co-authored a panel presentation at Wikimania 2010 on the Wikimedia Asia Project.

Current proposals and discussions Please add Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics to your watchlist in order to stay updated with the latest discussions regarding various aspects of the project. Two current featured articles, 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings and Economy of India have been nominated for reviews here and here respectively. Contribute and help prevent these articles from being delisted! This interesting discussion on the quality of editing in India-related articles has been underway for on the noticeboard a few days. Feel free to join in and express your opinion. A series of discussions are underway on the neutrality of the Famine in India article. Please comment and help resolve the disputes. Join the Wikimedia India mailing list and the IRC channel for regular updates and discussions. Links to language-specific forums are available here. If you've just joined, add your name to the Members section of Wikipedia:WikiProject India. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy! Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Signed... SBC-YPR, Sodabottle (Editors) Tinucherian (Distributor) This newsletter incorporates content from the WikiMedia India Community Newsletter, September 2010.

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