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Thanks for your work with PW Judaism - you saved us much time cutting and pasting. --Bachrach44 19:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

NP - glad to help! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Your bot

Keeps adding WikiProject Judaism templates to Israeli political parties. I don't think this is particularly merited, especially for decidedly secular parties! Number 57 08:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries, I shall let them know. Number 57 08:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

List of LGB people/W-Z

Well done. The plan is coming to fruition (and mostly because of you). I bought you some rock on the Isle of Wight anyway, mind me sending it? A token of my admiration. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Awww! That's awesome!!! I'll send you an email :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Wagner Project

Hi. I wonder if you have time to give us some advice? We are now working on a an assessment system for the Wagner Project as a kind of pilot for the opera project.

I created a banner for the Wagner project (Template:Wagner) using the code you created for the opera project one. Is it possible to correct it so it works for a manual assessment system? (Maybe the 'auto' part should come out?) Thanks and regards. -- Kleinzach 10:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Kleinzach! I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for here. When I take a look at that banner, it looks great! And on a page that uses it, for instance Talk:Das Judenthum in der Musik, it looks like it's working just fine. What is it that needs to change?

The "auto" parameter is usually put there just in case a bot adds the banner, for whatever reason. If it's not included, it doesn't do anything. For example, anyone can (manually) put the code {{Wagner |class=Start}} on a page and it will add the banner. Or is there something I'm missing here? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello, STN. It seems best to cut out the middleman and clarify the problem which I reported to Kleinzach. I'm test-driving the Wagner assessment system, and I'm dealing with pages that already have the banner. I've worked out that I can add "|class=stub", "|class=B", etc., to the banner manually, and that this will produce the little mauve or yellow or whatever box under the picture showing my assessment. However, other projects' assessment systems use a banner which has a default statement saying something like "This article has not been rated on the Project's quality scale", which can be changed manually once the assessment has been carried out so that it says something like "This article has been rated as B-Class on the assessment scale. See comments [where "comments" links to a sub-page of the Talk page] for details." There are several examples at Talk:York. I've glanced at the code for Template:WPCities, but it all looks very complicated, and furthermore is laced with dire warnings, and my eyes started to glaze over. If you can explain how I can add these statements manually, or, better, if you could update the template to look like the Cities one (but omitting the importance-scale stuff) so that I only need to add the assessment and my comments when I deal with each article, I'd be eternally grateful! Hope this makes sense. Best. --GuillaumeTell 17:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha - so what you're looking for is for that right-hand phrase that shows up for WP:CITIES (and tons of other projects), but only if there's a rating. If there isn't a rating, do you want the "???" on the left and the statement "This article has not yet received a rating" - or even the expanded version from WP:CITIES? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

That's the one. And Yes to the "???", etc., but no to the expanded WP:CITIES version of it. (And I'm sure I can trust you with the "intricate features of template syntax", which gave me collywobbles just reading it.) --GuillaumeTell 21:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Monday - poke me if I haven't done it :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Poke . . . . prod . . . . poke . . . . -- Kleinzach 00:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Doh! Thanks :) How does this look? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 07:13, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks absolutely fine to me. Thanks! --GuillaumeTell 13:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks great, however I'm wondering if we need special wording for Ga and FA since they aren't awarded by the project as such. How is this usually managed by other projects? -- Kleinzach 14:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't look like other projects do anything different for those. Take a look at Talk:Ernest Hemingway for example. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, then that isn't a problem. Thanks. -- Kleinzach 08:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the banners. -- Kleinzach 00:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

NP - glad to help :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about this, Satyr. I've been away, but I've just previewed Talk:Das Liebesverbot, having put Class = Start into the Wagner banner there and changed auto to No, and it looked fine, except that there was no reference in the revised banner to a Comments page. I didn't spot this on Tuesday, I'm afraid. Looking at Template:WPCities, I see that there is an "#ifexist:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments |See [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments|comments]] for details" there which isn't in Template:Wagner. I've now created a short dummy page Talk:Das Liebesverbot/Comments in which to deposit my comments. I had one attempt at putting the above "#ifexist..." text into the Wagner template at what looked like an appropriate place to get the comments link displayed, but it wasn't a success and I undid it. Best leave it to the expert, I thought, so here I am again. Hope you can fit this in when time permits and that it isn't too much trouble for you. You can test it at the Das Liebesverbot Talk page if you like. (I've refrained from actually updating the banner on that page with the Class, as I want to do that only when a link to the comments page is provided as well - and, of course, when I've provided some actual comments!) Best. --GuillaumeTell 16:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Guillaume! The code on WP:CITIES shows two options - if the comments page exists, it prints "See comments for details." And if the comments page doesn't exist, it prints "(If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)" Do you want exactly that same thing? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd prefer just the first option, so that, if the comments page doesn't exist, it doesn't print anything. Incidentally, if an article is rated manually as a stub, I'd assume that the comments option would be available there, too, but not if "Stub" had been allocated automatically - is that right? --GuillaumeTell 10:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I can do the first option. The existence of the comments page is independent of the auto-ness of the rating, so the "See comments..." line will show regardless of the rating and how it got there. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh, do you mean that if there is a comments page for any article rated Stub, then the "See ... comments ..." will appear in the banner? That's OK by me. --GuillaumeTell 21:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, if there's a comments page for *any* article, no matter the rating, then "see..." will appear. Is that all right? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely! TIA. --GuillaumeTell 09:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Alrighty, then! Got it - take a look at Talk:Das Liebesverbot vs Talk:Lohengrin (opera) - the first has the comments, of course. Do you want that formatted different? It sort of gets hidden in there. I guess you can handle formatting though :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

With some trepidation, I moved the "See comments" stuff within the Wagner template so that it somes after the description of which rating has been assigned rather than before, and the result is now at Talk:Das Liebesverbot. Can't work out how to insert a space before "See", however. --GuillaumeTell 22:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Done! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Umm...

Could you maybe give me some pointers, as to what I could work on? I wanna help out with the LGBT project, but I just have no idea where to start... Lychosis ^T/C 23:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Oo... thanks for the advice! Whatcha mean about two names, though? I don't get it... Lychosis ^T/C 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Ohhh... someone did my signature thing for me, I guess they musta missed that part. I am in no way connected to that Warrush fellow. Never even heard of him 'til ya told me 'bout him. :3 Lychosis ^T/C 01:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

So, I'mma take a look at this stuff you said to look at. Thanks again for the advice. Maybe you can teach me how to do this stuff a bit better, as I'd like to contribute more, overall. :3 Lychosis ^T/C 01:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Um, so, hey. I'm kinda dumb, and I don't quite understand this. I'm tryin' to read those instructions, but I just can't get my head 'round what I'm supposed to do. If you can help me understand, I can probably get lots of them done in my spare time, I think. :3 Lychosis ^T/C 02:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Bot revision

Would it at least be possible for the bot to put {{ChicagoWikiProject|class= |importance= }} to make things a bit easier?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 11:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure! I made that change. Let me know if it doesn't seem to work. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Bot

I was saying you were using

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism/Categories&oldid=154254756 for the categories for the bot to do and that you plan on removing and/or transfering the categories i specified on the talk page of WP:JEW correct?--Java7837 00:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

SatyrBot and WikiProject Paranormal (questions)

I'm wondering what cues SatyrBot uses to identify articles for inclusion on Wikipedia:WikiProject Paranormal/To do list full. I looked about a bit for details of the bot, but was not able to find this detail. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 18:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Ceyockey! The bot uses WP1.0's system of categories, in this case all the sub-categories of Category:Paranormal articles by quality.

Thanks for reminding me that I need to put some documentation together for that function of the bot, especially since six different projects are using it. :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Let's see if I understand—If an article has been tagged by members of the WikiProject (or on behalf of same) with a WikiProject banner, it is placed into the "articles by quality" category (regardless of whether or not an assessment has been made); thereafter, if any one of several templates is added to that article, the Bot will detect this and add a link to the appropriate section of the "To do list full" page. Is that correct? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

That's correct! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Replies

1. Nowhere near, I'm lazy and there's a hundred people to go. :)
2. Didn't really notice the lack of women, but I can check.
3. Will do.
4. You can't have been checking in on the channel because I'm logged in there 24/7 and I notice when peopel log in and out. Liar. :) And I should be there. I'm there now, in fact.
5. I believe the reference I used said it was disputed. If you can find a unambiguous one, do change it.

=) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, newsletter here. Can you think of anything else to put in it? If not, just send it out, we're not doing very well on the activity thing... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I did ask you to four days ago actually... :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 07:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Doh :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Colin Jackson

Colin Jackson isn't gay?? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 13:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hunh? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Claire McNab

Hi, not sure why you have changed Clare McNab from Australian to American.. she refers to herself as Australian, every book makes a comment about returning to Oz to renew her accent.. she certainly does not call herself an american writer. Suefidler 17:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Dolan

You're welcome. And thanks for your help on the Dolan article. I started writing it because his name has been coming up in political articles of late. SDC 00:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Nicola Griffith

It's me who done smth incorrectly! Would you please add crime fiction under genres in infobox and change Category:Crime fiction writers to Category:British crime fiction writers if appropriate. Henry Merrivale 04:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

And in the morning when I woke there was no Antonio
Just some money that he’d left for the memory of me
And oh my beautiful guitar, that’s what really broke my heart
Had been stolen by the two-faced low lothario
Charlotte Hatherley xx Charlotte Hatherley 05:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Rainbow flag

Hi! About the problem in tehe discussion page of the article Rainbow flag, I decided to retire some Wikiprojects banners that can't be consider in the talk page since for example: Rainbow flag (gay movement) or Wiphala articles exist... Imagine that every little stub include in the Raimbow falg article would have their Wikiproject banners, it would be at least 10.... so the solution is to keep neutral the article and refer only as it is: rainbow flag. Now, I would keep the Wikiprojects banners, but if in the future the banners increase, I would consider seriously to delete most of them and keepp only the Flags Wikiproject banner. Well, thats it, and sorry for my bad english. =) Salu2!--Kanon6917 14:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• OK!!!, but that is in case a single article refers to many wikiprject, for example the article about Peru includes the Wikiprojects about: Peru, South American, Countries; all the article can refers any of these projects, but it the case of Rainbow flag, it's significance for the wikiprojects is in the little sections about the many uses of it. Well and as I said before, we will see... how it works in the future... ^^--Kanon6917 14:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite

Hi, I was thinking of joining. I've always wanted to join a secret society, but none of them would have me, so I have several questions before I do anything rash....

• Are there dues?
• Do I get a membership card? Does it include discounts?
• Is there a secret grip or handshake?
• Is there a clubhouse for members only? (Nothing like keeping out the un-anointed)
• Is there an initiation? (The more homoerotic the better)
• Does this include membership in the Gay Cabal, or is that a higher honor?
• Is it anything like the Raccoon Lodge in the Honeymooners?
• Do we have to follow the Gay agenda as dogma, or is there some wiggle room there?
• Is it a chapter of the Illuminati or Rosicrucian Order, or anything like that?
• Do I have to take the Purity Test?
• And if the Purity Test is necessary, is high or low purity required?
• Do we have a float, and get to (have to) march in a Gay Pride parade?
• And REALLY REALLY important, are there dues?

Sorry for that, my sense of humor goes off the wall every once in a while. I kinda got sucked into the LGBT debates because of the crap and POV pushing I saw, although it certainly permeates other areas as well. Now I seem to spend more time manning the barricades than working on articles. Seriously, what prompted the invite and is there anything to the project other than (I assume) generally making it easier to work together on LGBTQ areas of interest? — Becksguy 21:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Logic, philosophy, etc

Greetings again,

I have revamped the philosophy banner so as to include fields. I have a proposed category list for most of the task forces listed on their pages. For the Metaphysics, Epistemology, Aesthetics, and Ethics task forces, I have a notice posted on the talk page of each of the categories.

As far as logic is concerned, I have proposed that each math and phil have separate worklists. The proposal is to remit the proposal to auto-tag to the math and phil projects respectively. I think the folks at WP:PHILO are a lot more easy going. Also, I have pared down the category lists quite a bit.

Perhaps, in a week, I will be forwarding to you a request to tag just the ethics, metaphysics, epistemology and aesthetics categories. The discussion has been going on for a bit now on WP:PHILO, and I have been enlisting support from the key players.

Can the bot also handle just a list (rather than work through categories)? The list of philosophers seems as comprehensive as any collection of categories.

I am also trying to plan things so as to have the least work for the bot. All analytic and continental philosophy is also contemporary, so two tags at once will save effort there, etc.

I just wanted to give you an update as to these plans. Be well, Gregbard 11:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Gregbard! Thanks for the update! Don't worry about "the least work for the bot" - it's a bot, so it can handle it :) It can handle lists instead of cats, thought cats is easier. It can even handle banners with work-groups (like {{WPBiography }}

So thanks for the update - sounds like a plan is coming together :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

This is the request I mentioned above. There is a list of categories which consists of transclusions from each of the fields' task force pages. I am requesting that the bot tag just the ethics, metaphysics, aesthetics, and epistemology fields. They will need respectively the tags: {{philosophy|ethics=yes}}, {{philosophy|metaphysics=yes}}, {{philosophy|aesthetics=yes}}, and {{philosophy|epistemology=yes}}

There may be some that overlap. in that case, I hope you have an easy time differentiating between getting a whole new tag or just inserting the |field2=yes part next to any |field1=yes type of situations. If there is anything I can do to make it easier, let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregbard (talk • contribs) 14:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience. P.S. I immediately flew that flag on my page as soon as I discovered it on yours. itmf indeed. Gregbard 14:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Gregbard! I stole it from Jeffpw as soon as I saw it on his, so pass it along :)

A couple questions for you:

1. Do you want me to automatically assign FA or GA status if the article has achieved those levels? And Stub status if there's a {{stub}} template on the article? Those are the only three assessments the bot can determine with any degree of success, but it saves some time for your assessing if I do that.
2. What do I do if the article already has the Philosophy banner?
3. What do I do if an article is in multiple cats - like if it's in Aesthetics *and* Metaphysics?

And a comment - this is a tiny bit beyond what the bot was originally programmed for, though by no means outside it's reach. To complicate things, I'm in the middle of a complete rewrite of the bot. I can either program this project and have it go, *or* if it's not too much of a hassle for you, would you mind if I waited on your project until I'm finished the rewrite? I'm pretty sure I'll be done in about a week, though there's an outside chance it'll take two weeks. Let me know if that's too long to wait.

Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Greetings,

• Setting the stub, FA, and GA status automatically would be wonderful.
• If a page already has the banner, if it is possible to insert into it the |field=yes indicator, that would be wonderful.
• Articles may be in multiple fields and multiple cats. If this is the case, if it is possible to insert into one banner the |field2=yes right next to (or beneath I guess) the |field1=yes, that would be wonderful.
• This proposal is at your convenience. It wouldn't hurt anyone to wait. (...and I will try to keep telling myself that since I have been looking forward to it so much.)

Thanks again, Gregbard 00:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

SatyrBot

It was recently brought to my attention that SatyrBot has tagged WikiProject pages as inactive in the past. This task is not currently listed on the bot's user page and no request for this task has been approved by the BAG. In contrast, ClueBot II (talk · contribs) has recently been approved to automatically tag inactive WikiProjects as such. Therefore, you may wish to remove that functionality from your bot, if indeed it still performs that function.

Thank you! — madman bum and angel, on behalf of the BAG. 05:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Madman! I haven't run that script since May, and it's not on a cron, so you're welcome to it :) BTW, a less friendly person than myself might wonder at all the bot scripting you've "taken" from me! :) :) :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hm? ClueBot II isn't mine. But thanks anyway.  ;) — madman bum and angel 05:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Doh! Silly me! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

:) — madman bum and angel 05:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Inactive projects

Agreed about Esperanza. For what it's worth, I think in time, as I complete the list, there will probably be a separate section for "rejected" projects, and it might fit in well there. Part of the purpose, like I said, is to let editors know some ideas that have already been found to be bad ones, so that they don't get repeated. John Carter 13:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Jon Corzine

As we discussed on the bot's talk page, the bot is making an error here. Please fix your bot. Christopher Parham (talk) 11:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'm interested in starting an entry for Carla Katz, what do you think? --NYcThUgg 05:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

LGBT wikiproject

I was looking at this and looked at Joe McDermott (politician) and saw the reference that he is indeed an LGBT person, so I deleted his name from the unsourced section is that the proper thing to do, delete them after they are sourced? Ctjf83 06:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

How do i got about sourcing Wikipedia:List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/To be sorted? Do I just type them in a search engine, with the word gay, and see what comes up, or is there a better, more reliable way to do it? Ctjf83 16:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is clear, and it does sound like a lot of work for free LOL! But I'll try it, anything to further the LGBT cause! Ctjf83 16:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and appreciation for offer and membership

I just wanted to let you know that I am grateful for being a part of the LGBT project thing. By the way, how did you know I am interested in this type of political stuff? I just want to know. I am honored as a straight ally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tawniz (talk • contribs) 23:56, 2007 August 11 (UTC)

• From Me Too: Thanks! Fixed my sig, joined LGBT project, even snagged your code for my nonexistant-now exists user page. haha Hated I had to lose my rainbow sig. :[ Eh, I guess I will live! Peace and elbow grease! ALLSTAR ECHO 00:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Gay Pimpin' with Jonny McGovern

Gay Pimpin' with Jonny McGovern, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Gay Pimpin' with Jonny McGovern satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gay Pimpin' with Jonny McGovern and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Gay Pimpin' with Jonny McGovern during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Guy (Help!) 16:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Love Sick (film)

I just added an Awards section with sources. ALLSTAR ECHO 01:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Sig

I don't think the box would take all of that code anyway. It cut my code short on previous edit attempts. It looks great though, and thank you! ALLSTAR ECHO 01:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah, I just tried it. The sig box won't take all that code. Que Sera Sera... ALLSTAR ECHO 01:34, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
• Sorry, wasn't thinking. Should have put comments at the bottom in the first place. ALLSTAR ECHO 01:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

NP :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Jari Sillanpää, gay or straight?

Hi Satyr, I had never heard of this man (I plead guilty to not watching the Eurovision Songfestival).

I can read German and French as well, but not Finnish or Swedish; however, I can just figure out that the Finnish and Swedish (and even the Japanese!) Wiki mention the same talk show where this singer came out in February 2006. His official website, which you probably viewed already, does not mention it on the English pages. You will have to contact someone in Finland. regards, BertS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BertSen (talk • contribs) 07:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Carlo Boszhard

About you removing the 'personal life' section from that article: First let me say that you can probably shoot down any source I can come up with of him being gay for being unreliable. However, I want to point out that we're not talking about contentious material! So while caution should be used with these sources, I don't think you should just remove them because they're not 100% reliable.

De Telegraaf indeed isn't the most reliable newssource, but then again, any real paper probably wouldn't mention his relationship with the contestant from the show. I've found an interview in the gossip magazine "Party", where he talks about being gay, but again, not a reliable source. I've got a biography on carloirene.nl where his relationship with Eloy is mentioned, but though the site seems to be approved of by Boszhard (he writes a column there), I don't think it's an 'official' website, so again you could call it unreliable.

The second source, which you claim to be about a different person, is very much about Boszhard. But then again, you could argue that it's not a reliable source. The third link is indeed about some other person, but that's because I was making a statement about that other person, not about Boszhard. nield 09:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

New Articles over LGBT-Persons

Maybe you can have a look on that articles and give them a better english. I speak good enough english but my english writing is not so good as it should be.

• Dirk Bach,
• Sabine Jünger
• Benedict Friedländer and
• Ernst Burchard

Greetings from Germany, GLGerman 05:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure! I'll be glad to take a look at them - probably tomorrow. Thanks for asking! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks,

Here are three more new articles:

• Friedrich Radszuweit
• Johannes Kahrs
• Thomas Hermanns

GLGerman 06:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Ed Fordham lgbt

the LGBT stub tag is still there, should it be? Benjiboi 23:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - I removed it. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Map of Hillsborough County, NH

Hello again after a long time! I was just editing the New Ipswich, New Hampshire, page, and noticed for the first time that a big chunk of the town is missing in its map depiction in the town infobox. Digging a little deeper, I found your name in the history of the image (Image:Hillsborough-New-Ipswitch-NH.png). If you were the creator of the Hillsborough County maps, would you be able to fix them so New Ipswich is a proper parallelogram? You can sort of tell from the green-shaded Hillsborough County in the same image that the southern and western lines should be straight. Is this an easy thing to do? Thanks, and keep up the great work! --Ken Gallager 12:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Grr :) Since the same error appears in all Hillsboro County town/city maps, I'm working on re-creating them with the fixed border. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Ken - I need your advice. Take a look at this image and let me know which way you think works best for highlighting the town or city. The red, of course, is the way all the other counties are, but I kinda like the embossed green - and it ties in to the state map well. Thoughts? SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello - the embossed look is pretty interesting. I guess I'm kind of conservative, though, and prefer the traditional solid red. That's just one person's opinion, of course. Thanks for fixing the county corner. --Ken Gallager 14:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Gay pimpin' refs

I found a few bits that might be useful including some YouTube bonus video which seems like it's cross-promotion piece but do whatever makes sense with it all. Benjiboi 15:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Benjiboi! Most of those have to do with Jonny himself, not specifically the podcast. But I see some good things in there, so I'll see what I can add. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

possible project member

User talk:Justaduckyguy seems to have a common sense of LGBT context within articles[1], I just reverted him so maybe an invite from someone else might be better. Benjiboi 23:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it's worked very well for me - reverting someone, then inviting them to the project. For some reason, it does work - maybe it says "I didn't agree with you on this point, but think you'd be a good assen"? Anyway, send an invite. Or let me know and I'll do it. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Go for it. Benjiboi 02:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Reform and the WikiProject Council

You posted a response to me on the Council talk page in which you referred me to discussion at WikiProject reform. I noticed that page was tagged historical (though the policy on historical articles doesn't seem to support that tag), and the discussion there abruptly died several months back. What's the deal? I would like to discuss the issues being discussed in both places further - so in that respect I am accepting your offer of help - though I'm not sure what you were suggesting I "take a swipe at", nor where you propose we discuss it. Please clarify.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I notice that last night User:Ned Scott removed the historical tag and replaced it with an essay tag. Much more appropriate. I guess part of what puzzles me is why this isn't part of the Council? From my point of view, and I am quite new to everything, the Council is nothing more than a project on projects, sort of "WikiProject_Project", others seem to see it as more and to some extent as intrusive. To me, it seems like doing this stuff outside the Council pages is duplicative and risks people not being involved - I had no idea about this discussion until you mentioned it to me. Those who think the Council is something more than a Project on Projects need to realize that to the extent they don't have consensus, they don't have anything. I think that between the information put out on MfD, the information put out at Category:Inactive_WikiProjects, the information put out on the Council's pages, particularly in the Guide, and the reform page (and there are probably others), there is a really mixed message as to if and how projects go away. --Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 17:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess my reasons for thinking the discussion should take place within the Council is that editors need to know these things when starting a project. If one is an editor looking to start a new Project or Task Force one would most likely look to Wikipedia:WikiProject, at least that's where I went to first and I think that's where WikiProject takes one. That page references three wikilinks for "creating and maintaining" projects, all of which are part of the Council. Again, I am new to the Council, but to me it is merely a project on projects and thus it seems like the most appropriate project to bring the discussion under. However, I agree that {{cent}} (not WP:CENTwhich is just the page that discusses the process of centralized discussions, I believe) is an appropriate process to use, wherever we do the discussion. I am leery of trying to revive a discussion that completely died over two months ago at reform and I am concerned that bringing the discussion outside of the Council risks the Council adopting a different standard in the Guide. As someone new to the Council I have no particular attachment to it, it just seems that there is no reason not to work with it, rather than risk working against it - and that by working with it, we could actually improve it. I am open to convincing otherwise on that matter though. BTW I have posted more comments on the Council's talk page under my earlier comments - mostly answers I was for the most part forced to find myself.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 21:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Satyr, please also see my comments at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council.2FInactive_projects which are on a related topic - that's at the bottom of the page our discussion originated from, thanks - What if we brought the discussion to John Carter's new inactive projects page (I know, it's part of the Council - but again, I don't know that this is a bad thing) and posted {{cent}} notices on MfD and the Village Pump about this discussion? This would ensure that John was a part of the discussion, which at the very least would support consensus on the topic.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 21:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

This topic has been picked up on a centralized discussion reached through the template {{cent}}, please join in there.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 19:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm questioning my attempt to centralize discussion. I've ticked off John and gotten few comments from others. Do you still have interest in this topic? Curiously, I notice that there have been a couple of posts at reform.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 19:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I did what we intended to reinvigorate discussion of this topic. I'm starting to think that we should have brought this up at Wikipedia:WikiProject reform as you suggested. John is doing admirable work at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Inactive projects making lists and identifying inactive projects and nominating them for deletion. There is some interest in a guideline, but I don't think there is any consensus (hard with only three or four editors and only two regulars) and I'm not even sure that the interest in a guideline (other than my comments) goes beyond "that projects ought to be merged". I like your idea for a WPfD page, I really have been thinking that is what's needed, but you were the first to suggest it. Any ideas?--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 01:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Your work at User:SatyrTN/mfd is awesome! That is exactly what we need. I've made a few comments there. I've noticed that my userfication theory of how to take down a project without destroying somebody's work has at least one other believer. Jc37 has just gone through MfD and voted Userfy right behind me on three projects. So, I'm not entirely out in left field, I've just got a disconnect with some editors. I have to admit that before I saw your WPfD page and jc's votes I was beginning to wonder. BTW, I have an Agriculture project proposed with no takers and I'm thinking of standing it up in my user space as a sort of lead by example and then linking my proposal to it. If the idea catches on I'll start floating it at WP:COUNCIL/G, which needs a lot of work.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 02:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Homophobia cat

Why the hell are you deleting certain biographical entries from the Homophobia category under the pretense of "s/he is not a "homophobia"? It is quite obvious that NOBODY is a "homophobia", but that the people listed in it are in some way related to the ISSUE of homophobia. Removing the cat from certain articles where it is relevant is an abuse of your position as a Wiki editor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.71.24 (talk) 02:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hunh. Abuse of my position as a Wiki editor. By participating in the editing and consensus process you mean? Is that abuse?

But to your point, people shouldn't be in the homophobia category unless homophobia is significant to who they are - not just "related". That's my opinion, anyway. I'm totally willing to discuss that issue at Category talk:Homophobia if you think that's too narrow a definition. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It's an abuse because you are being antagonistically pedantic. We all know that a person can't be "homophobia", but they can be "homophobic". The category (and it's applications) have already been discussed at great length, and it is warranted in cases where the subject matter (such as an event, political issue, group, or a person) is a widely publicised example of the definition of homophobia. Fred Phelps and Anita Bryant are two classic examples of this because 1) The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief in question; and

2) The subject's beliefs are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources. 79.65.89.199 16:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I still think your definition of "abuse of [your] position as a Wiki editor" is really skewed. But I totally agree with you on a couple of points:

1. The category should be used where the subject is a widely publicised example of the definition of homophobia
2. Fred Phelps and Anita Bryant are two excellent examples.

I've gone through the cat and removed some people that I don't believe fit the category. For example, Garry Bushell is a writer etc. While he certainly made homophobic comments, I don't believe they are central to who he is or what he's done. I'm not disagreeing that they play a part and should be in the article - I'm disagreeing that he (or what he's done) exemplifies homophobia. Remember, the cat isn't "Homophobic people" - that would be a much larger cat!

To take a slightly closer to home example, my grandmother often makes racist remarks. She grew up in a time when the races were separate and unequal, so that's part of who she is. In no way do I think she exemplifies Racism, though, and (if she had an article) I would take that cat off her page.

So I've re-reviewed some of the articles you think belong in there and added comments to the talk pages. Let's continue this in regards to each individual, since it seems we broadly agree on the category. SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

We agree then that the category should be used where the subject is a widely publicised example of the definition of homophobia. In relation to Garry Bushell, it would be appropriate to include him because he has a long history of making homophobic remarks in public and was just recently reprimanded (very publicly) by OFCOM and the radio station he works at for making such remarks live on air. It is something he has now become quite widely known for - far more so than his musical aspirations or his Trotskyist political beliefs (both of which are included as categories on his article page), therefore homophobia is a cagtegory relevant to this particular subject. The analogy about your grandmother isn't really relevant because she wouldn't be widely known for making such remarks, unless she was a public personality in some way (or unless she made a remark to somebody in the street and got herself arrested for it, which would probably become publicised - at least on a local level). If your grandmother was a public personality who often appeared in the media, and if she continued to make racist remarks, then she would probably be likened to somebody like Bernard Manning - for whom racism was a central characteristic of his public persona whether he liked to admit it or not. (if it means anything to you, my grandmother was just the same as yours - but the fact that they are both of a "different generation" does not excuse it). 79.65.51.39 20:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

German mysteries and wonders

Heyo, Does this seem correct or even possible to you? [2] [3] I know there has been ongoing schisms but not reading German I haven't clue one how to sort through websites and see if this matches up. I want to have all the good faith stuff but I could also see that other folks don't know about wikipedia and so anyone else from the other German houses wouldn't know to check up on this info. Also, if the changes are correct I still think a footnote should certainly be included as there is so much history under the old names. Ideas? Benjiboi 10:05, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Benjiboi! I have no idea if it's true. I can check with Mother Hell in Australia - she seems to have a good handle on what's going on where, and she and I have struck up a nice relationship. I don't know who in SF might know anything.

The problem, of course, is (from a Wikipedia standpoint) that we are **waaay** into WP:OR here. There is very little on the web (or in print anywhere) that says what houses are active and how, excepting perhaps Sr. Titania's genealogy site. Or perhaps 501(c)3 documentation, but I have no idea if that's accessible on the web or elsewhere. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, instead of contacting Hell (or anyone)) I was hoping some of the websites for the German houses might clear up whether a reorganization has taken place as I do want to avoid WP:OR. My issue with the deletion in the first place is that we have to go on verifiable info and each order's website is amongst the best sources, I don't read German. Benjiboi 19:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:Benavente

Yep he was gay. ;-) Here's the ref we use in es:wiki -> Villena, Luis Antonio de (Ed.) (2002), Amores iguales. Antología de la poesía gay y lésbica, Madrid: La Esfera. 84-9734-061-2. Cheers, and nice of you to drop by my es: talk page. ;-) Feel free to do it anytime. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 10:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC) PS: Your ref is equally valid, it does say he was gay ('su notoria condición de homosexual'). :-)

 Done Awesome! I'll add that in to his article. Muchas Graçias, Senorita! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

De nada, Caballero! ;-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 15:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Possible project member

User talk:QueerAsFolk may already have joined, I saw them as a part of article rescue squadron. Benjiboi 19:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe after a few more edits? They only have ~30, and ~25 of those are not on articles. But that's a possibility :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:Glory hole (sexual)

Just looking for guidance here.. the LGBT Project tag on the talk page.. Glory holes are used by straight people too. Still tagged as LGBT? Thanks. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 08:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd say yes. Think of them as "bisexual" :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course they'd still have the LGBT project tag on them. The project tag simply means the article is of interest to our little group. But that isn't why I dropped by this page.....

Eh, it was late. Wasn't thinking properly. I don't guess there are unisex public restrooms where women and men could engage in glory hole activity? lol -- ALLSTAR ECHO 19:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Doubt it :) There is a glory hole fetish where a glory hole-like-thing is used in a private setting. And I suppose there might be such a thing in straight sex clubs, but I have no idea. The weird things you discuss on Wikipedia!!! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply to your query

...this is. Yes, that unfortunate day has once again rolled around. If I give you my PayPal account name feel free to contribute to my face-lift fund. Jeffpw 15:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Pshaw! You're beautiful just the way you are!!!! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Jos Brink WAS Gay

Hi Satyr, is saw you reversed my categorisation as LGBT of the Dutch TV and theatre personality Jos Brink, beacause is not sourced in the article. The English edition refers to the Dutch original, where his homosexuality is mentioned, because it has been a widely known fact in Holland for decades. So I take the liberty to reverse your reversal. Greetings, --BertSen 16:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought you had noticed that I did provide a reference in Dutch, from the Dossier Jos Brink of the Dutch National Library. This is a reliable and permanent source of reference on the web.

By the way, you are a sort of LGBT monitor and you added a reference from a Dutch newspaper to Robert Long (singer) at September 6th. Can you read Dutch? And even if you can, do you know that this source of information has the same status as the National Inquirer in the USA? Is this up to Wiki-standards? The other links in that article seem OK to me. regards, --BertSen 17:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Err, you are saying de Telegraaf is the same as the National Inquirer? Not by a long shot. The National Inquirer is a scandal sheet with many, if not mostly, made up stories. de Telegraaf is a populist paper (and certainly not one I would read), but it is a regular newspaper. It can certainly be used as a source. It's not the NRC Handelsblad, but it would conform to WP:RS. Jeffpw 14:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Bot help

Hi Satyr. :-) We're trying to develop a bot that would help us with LGBT articles' assessment in es:, I don't know if you remember when I was first setting up the Spanish project that I said someone was already looking into it? Well, that guy was finally a no-show, so I've asked Siabef (an es: admin and 'crat, very nice guy) to use his 'candy'bot to help our cause. ;-) Would you mind terribly emailing him to explain how the assessment parameter of the project tag works and the source code his bot would need to replicate yours and all that technical stuff? :-) You see, there is no assessment of any kind in es:wiki, so we are breaking ground with this. I can't seem to explain very well exactly what I want done with the tag! :-P I'd be extremely grateful for any kind of help you could offer. Thanks in advance mate Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I've emailed him and will see what I can do to help :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks pal. ;-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 20:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Donna Ladd

Just an FYI that my first nomination of an AfD has been made. She's not LGBT related, just an FYI since you've been my guiding hand. Would you concur my reasons or am I off base there? Thanks. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 00:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Hunh. I don't know. My first thought is that there are an absolute *TON* of other articles that I would pick before this one. (Stroll through Category:Fictional LGBT characters some time). At least it's got some substance and references, though many of those seem to be quite thin. The only thing I see on her page that *might* make her pass WP:N is the awards from the AAN. Everything else doesn't match notability to me. Overall I'd say you followed procedure and have a good argument. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I know there are a ton of other articles but this one caught my eye because of it being where I am from. I am keeping NPOV on it. Her paper, Jackson Free Press, definitely deserves its rightful place, but I feel a page for her, herself, is unnecessary, at least in it's current form. Just about everything in that article can be found in the JFP article. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 01:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeh - I think you're right. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Larry Kramer

I see you're working on it. Let me know if there's anything I can do. I'd like to see this one eventually FA. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 01:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Will do. It needs some more cleanup, but I think it'll be ready for nominating to GA or FA fairly soon. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

LGBT Quote

At Portal:LGBT/Quote/Archive, I added quotes by Lynn Lavner and Dr Edward Hill. How come these aren't showing up on user pages that use {{Portal:LGBT/Quotes}} to display those quotes, such as on my page? Infact, neither the new quotes or the cleanup I did to all of the quotes, are showing up. They are still showing up the old way. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 04:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I suspect that if you added them to the archive, they're in the archive, not the "live" page. :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

But when I look at just Portal:LGBT/Quote, there's only 1 quote there... -- ALLSTAR ECHO 04:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

And that's the one that shows up on your user page, too :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, no. The one on my user page right now is Wherever it has been established that it is shameful to be involved with sexual relationships with men, that is due to evil on the part of the rulers, and to cowardice on the part of the governed. - Plato which is on the /Archive page but the one on Portal:LGBT/Quote is In high school, while your children were doing what kids that ages should be doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting it to be sure his family knew how much he loved them. My sobbing 17-year-old tore the heart out of me as he choked out that he just couldn't bear to continue living any longer, that he didn't want to be gay and that he couldn't face a life without dignity. You have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children from the homosexual menace, while you yourselves tear apart families and drive children to despair. I don't know why my son is gay, but I do know that God didn't put him, and millions like him, on this Earth to give you someone to abuse. - Sharon Underwood. eh? -- ALLSTAR ECHO 04:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Somehow you need to "purge" your cache. The one I see on both your page and on the /Quote page is It always seemed to me a bit pointless to disapprove of homosexuality. It's like disapproving of rain. -- Francis Maude. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I think I found out why. The new quotes have to be added to Portal:LGBT/Quotes and not to Portal:LGBT/Quote, the difference being the "s" in Quote, because that's where {{Portal:LGBT/Quotes}} is obviously pulling from Duh me. Thanks! -- ALLSTAR ECHO 04:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_LGBT_characters_in_modern_written_fiction -- ALLSTAR ECHO 05:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

John Stallings

Hi, I userfied the article, you can find it and its history at User:SatyrTN/John Stallings (model). WjBscribe 15:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

• yum! err, userfied? -- ALLSTAR ECHO 19:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:USERFY -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Ya, but why? History doesn't show you created it. Unless I'm missing it. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 19:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

The page was deleted and I wanted to make sure there wasn't any information that was lost when it was merged into Manhunt (2004 TV series) - specifically his being gay. Not that the deleted article says anything about it :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Well we definitely don't want to lose any of his information, especially the picture! :P -- ALLSTAR ECHO 19:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Did I mention I really like his picture? :P -- ALLSTAR ECHO 02:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

lmao! thank you. :] -- ALLSTAR ECHO 03:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Template weirdness

Hi SatyrTN, I've replied to your question at my talk page. In a nutshell, looks like that page has run up against the pre-expansion template limit. Regards, --cjllw ʘ TALK 05:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm so proud!

I just had to mention that someone has created a username against me! Take a look at XusSatyrtn (talk · contribs) and Snuffereet (talk · contribs). I'm so happy :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Two new articles from germany

• Volkmar Sigusch and
• Manfred Salzgeber
• Martin Dannecker and Gunter Schmidt

...have a look on it and please correct mistakes GLGerman 19:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Possible member

For LGBT project - User:Kinkyturnip. Benjiboi 21:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the Moon

Hi, there is a gay character in the book which is suggested that ist actually the author who also is gay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailor iain (talk • contribs) 06:43, 1 2007 October (UTC)

Woof!

Maybe I should start an LGBT Userboxes project page? Haven't seen one like this around so I created it. Now if I just knew how to actually make it a userbox without having to insert the full code to. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 05:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Hunh - looks pretty good! Better than {{User:UBX/bear}}, IMHO :) BTW - take a look at User:Xaosflux/UBX/Sexuality.

Got a favor to ask... I'm heading out for a vacation for a week, and in light of the below, our List/S needs to be split into Sa-Sh and Si-Sz. If you get a chance, would you mind doing that? Dev can help if you need any, though she's only around sporadically at the moment.

Much appreciated!!! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 11:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

• Dunno who Dev is but umm, I created List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/Si-Sz and removed names Si-Sz from List/S. Don't know what else to do with it.. not that experienced with this. Will do more as I learn how. Hope vacation is fun! :]-- ALLSTAR ECHO 03:30, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

•  Done It is complete. Check it out when you get back. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 08:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Much appreciated! It looks great! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back!

So soon? You're about 6 days early from Oct 7th! Had fun? -- ALLSTAR ECHO 21:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Had a great time, thanks! Camping in the woods with a bunch of Faeries is my idea of a vacation :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Something I need to do more of, no doubt! haha -- ALLSTAR ECHO 00:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Ned Sherrin edit

Hi! Don't know if you knew you removed the "class" ratings in this edit, but just wanted you to be aware. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes - it needed re assesment in light of its comprehensive re-writting in light of his death. Rgds, - Trident13 22:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

subst

When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:uw-test1}} instead of {{uw-test1}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. --AFUSCO 23:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Chicago double tagging

Hey there, your tagging articles that have already been tagged, such as at Talk:Allan Miller House. IvoShandor 09:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It is still doing it, perhaps an adjustment is needed, it is tagging pages that have the Chicago template within a banner shell. IvoShandor 10:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey SatyrTN, I have blocked the bot until you get back from your vacation and can fix it. Let me know when it's fixed and I'll lift the block, or drop a note on ANI if I'm offline. BTW, nice ITMFA pin. Natalie 13:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Natalie! NP - I should have taken that function off line before I left. I'll let you know when I get that bug fixed up. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Awesome. Unblocking now. Natalie 15:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea if there's a way to undo all of a bots edits without another bot. You might try to technical sub-board of the village pump, or maybe ANI. Natalie 21:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Double tagging

Why is the bot now double tagging articles?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to run a program to undo the October 1 run. The double tagging causes the article to appear as unassessed in the quality log and I don't want to go and remove a couple hundred tags by hand. I am just going to do the WP:GAs and WP:FAs by hand and wait for a response.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I did Top-Class as well.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Pink dollar

Just an FYI... see merge discussion at the top of Pink dollar. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 07:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

WPBS

Hey there, is the WPBS cleanup bot down for the count? --TAnthony 15:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

It is for a little while - I'm rewriting a bunch of code for it. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Bot Malfunction

Wikipedia:WikiProject Paranormal/To do list full was blanked SatyrBot on the 28th, and has been left blank ever since. Is there a reason why it is not updating the page anymore. - perfectblue 18:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Archives

How do you get your Archives box up there to list the actual links to your archive pages? I installed Mizabot or whatever it's spelled and put the {{Archives}} tag too. Sometime today the bot archived but didn't put it in the list of my Archives box. Am I missing something? -- ALLSTAR ECHO 16:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Member

User:Zlrussell -- ALLSTAR ECHO 23:50, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5

The Biography WikiProject Newsletter Volume IV, no. 4 - September 2007
Project News The three-month long Summer Assessment Drive, organized by Psychless, was a huge success! It ran from June 1 – September 1, and reduced the backlog of unassessed articles from 113,385 to 56,237. In all, over 100,000 articles were assessed. Over 60 people contributed in some way. A barnstar has been created for exceptional work on Wikipedia biographies and for assisting the project. The Biography Barnstar is listed with the other WikiProject awards and can be awarded easily with a template. See the template page for more details. Member News Congratulations to the editors who worked on the newest featured biographies: Augustus; William Shakespeare; Adriaen van der Donck; Alfred Russel Wallace; Alison Krauss; Anne Frank; Anne of Denmark; Asser; Bart King; Bill O'Reilly; Bobby Robson; Bradley Joseph; CM Punk; Ceawlin of Wessex; Colley Cibber; Cædwalla of Wessex; Dominik Hašek; Elizabeth Needham; Frank Macfarlane Burnet; Georg Cantor; Gregory of Nazianzus; Gunnhild Mother of Kings; Gwen Stefani; Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery; Harriet Arbuthnot; Harry S. Truman; Henry, Bishop of Uppsala; Héctor Lavoe; Ine of Wessex; Ion Heliade Rădulescu; Jack Sheppard; Jackie Chan; Jay Chou; John Martin Scripps; John Mayer; Joseph Francis Shea; Joshua A. Norton; Kate Bush; Kazi Nazrul Islam; Kevin Pietersen; Martin Brodeur; Mary Martha Sherwood; Mary of Teck; Maximus the Confessor; Miranda Otto; Muhammad Ali Jinnah; P. K. van der Byl; Penda of Mercia; Pham Ngoc Thao; Rabindranath Tagore; Ramón Emeterio Betances; Red Barn Murder; Richard Hakluyt; Richard Hawes; Robert Garran; Roman Vishniac; Ronald Niel Stuart; Ronald Reagan; Roy Welensky; Rudolph Cartier; Samuel Adams; Samuel Beckett; Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough; Sarah Trimmer; Sargon of Akkad; Shen Kuo; Sophie Blanchard; Stereolab; Sydney Newman; Sylvanus Morley; Tim Duncan; Timeline of Mary Wollstonecraft; Uncle Tupelo; Waisale Serevi; Wallis, Duchess of Windsor; Walter Model; William Bruce; William Goebel; Yagan; Zhou Tong; Æthelbald of Mercia; Æthelbald of Mercia New Members Congratulations to our 225 new members	From the Editors The newsletter is back! Many things have gone on during the past few months, but many things have not. While the assessment drive helped revitalize the assessment department of the project, many other departments have received no attention. Most notably: peer review and our "workgroups". A day long IRC meeting has been planned for October 13th, with the major focus being which areas of the project are "dead", what should our goals be as a project, and how to "revive" the dead areas of our project. Contribute to the discussion on the the new channel (see below) We decided to deliver this newsletter to all project members this month but only those with their names down here will get it delivered in the future. This is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue. Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned or post news on the next issue's talk page New irc channel Lastly, a new WikiProject Biography channel has been set up on the freenode network: #wikipedia-en-bio Our thanks to Phoenix 15 for setting it up. Contributors to this Issue Psychless (talk · contribs) Phoenix 15 (talk · contribs)
Complete To Do List Write an article Expand an article about: a person an actor an animator an artist a bishop a businessperson a diplomat an educator an engineer a lawyer a military person a musician a photographer a saint a politician a scientist a sportsperson a writer Improve an article by: adding references adding categories Review an article Romano Volta • Suzanne Carrell • Mullá Husayn • John Gilchrist (linguist) • Thomas Brattle • Answer requests for comments Work on the Portal Portal:Biography Assess an article Assessment requests Unassessed articles Assessment Progress Biography articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Core Other ??? Total FA 34 1,595 1,629 FL 192 192 A 1 102 103 GA 41 8,089 8,130 B 92 37,384 37,476 C 37 160,019 160,056 Start 3 736,748 736,751 Stub 1 1,031,143 1 1,031,145 List 7,486 7,486 Category 2 212,449 212,451 Disambig 8,072 8,072 File 29,531 29,531 Project 198 198 Redirect 3 42,201 42,204 Template 12,689 12,689 NA 238 238 Assessed 214 2,288,136 1 2,288,351 Unassessed 32,931 32,931 Total 214 2,321,067 1 2,321,282 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 10,639,583 Ω = 5.39
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Random picture

I'm working on an "LGBT Random Picture" box to display a random LGBT related picture. Like the quotes but pictures. Don't like the one at LGBT portal because it displays all 6 of the pictures it has at one time. Just a single, random pic with link to its article.. will let you know when it's done. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 08:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Homophobia

I noticed that you participated in the recent CfD of the category "Homophobia" [4]. It has been re-nominated for deletion, on the same grounds as before, and I was making sure you had an opportunity to present your interpretation of policy on this matter. The discussion can be found here. Best. --Cheeser1 14:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I screwed up

A bot was flashing a tonne of alerts and (due to the name of the page of a couple of your edits) raised a "check" edit flag - I accidentally hit the block button instead. I've removed the block (and any autoblocks I could find - you should be good to go) - sorry about that -- Tawker 21:38, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Kick

Kick is an LGBT-related program in that one of the shows main characters is a lesbian and in the coming out process. If the whole show has to be about homosexuality for it to be able to be categorized as LGBT-related, perhaps a new category of shows with gay characters should be created. Because it's bullshit you removed that category from the page. And I have personally looked for a category stamp indicating shows that have main gay or lesbian characters for a long time. We need one. (Please reply on my talk page if you need to. I'll never see you're reply here.) --Teehee11 18:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Great job

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For all of your tireless and exceptional work on List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 21:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Jane Farrow

Ahh, my old nemesis! We meet again!

ahem

I totally understand why you removed the contentious category tag from the article on Ms Farrow; however, I'm really not certain how such a fact would be included in the article, other than by a category tag. Note [5] the responses to Farrow's recent program on "gay speech" - one correspondent thanked Farrow for "repeatedly outing (her)self". At the very beginning, she introduced herself as a "confirmed homosexual". You can listen to the program on mp3, in fact.

Good enough? DS 02:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I should point out, her outing herself was the direct reason for my creating the article: I was listening to And Sometimes Y, and she said that she was a confirmed homosexual, and I thought "hm, is that in her article yet? Hm. It should be. Hm. Maybe I'm not spelling her last name properly? ... huh. No article on Jane Farrow? Have to do something about that." DS 04:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

ROTFL! I do that sometimes :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

List of LGBT people

These images have a specified thumb size for image rendering on certain browsers and is a part of a compromise I made with several editors who wanted images on the article. Removing these are making certain browsers make the list form in a different way than what your intention is. Please do not remove them again. Thank you! — Moe ε 00:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I believe that was me, while you were on wikibreak Satyr and I split the S list. He was removing the pics and I was putting them back and we came to a size compromise so that the browser issues would be resolved. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 00:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Can one of you point me to the discussion? I don't follow what was being compromised over. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

See the history page of List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people Si-Sz down towards the bottom where you see all the edits by me and Moe, and the articel's talk page. I began a discussion on the issue on the talk page. Moe never replied there but instead made compromise in his edits. Apparently the original images, that is when I moved the page and the images moved with it without me having done any kind of edits to the images, cause some viewing issues in certain browsers. I don't see the viewing issues and never did but Moe says it does. He removed them. I put them back. He removed them again and then he put them back as size 100px. That was our compromise so that the pictures remained but apparently at a size that made them render in all browsers. User:Tabercil came and removed 100px and left them as thumb size, citing WP:MOS per Specifying the size of a thumb image is not recommended. I reverted them back to Moe's 100px also based on WP:MOS per however, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 11:43, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

• Do you think List of LGBT people Si-Sz should be broken down again like maybe to List of LGBT people Si-Ss and then St-Sz? That page loads sooooo sloowwww for me. Does it for you? St seems to have the most names. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 14:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, this wasn't about image sizes. My suggestion of breaking down LGBT people Si-Sz was just because it loads slow. Maybe I should have started a new section below about this separate issue. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 15:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah well since I don't go to the others, ie: A, B, C, etc. often I guess I hadn't noticed it on them. They load slow as well. Wonder why these seem to be the only pages that load so slow for me. Oh well. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 15:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

LGBT Project newsletter

Here is the latest one. I just wrote it, but don't know how to make it a newsletter or send it out. Is that you task, or Dev's???? Hope you're well, cutie, by the way! Jeffpw 16:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow! you made it look so fantastic! And thanks for remember ing to include the new members--that was a huge oversight on my part. Team work!!!!! Weeeeeeeee! I can't think of any way to improve it more. Send the sucker out when you feel like it. Jeffpw 17:52, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Since you edited her article

Cynthia Manley of the Boys Town Gang wrote to me!!!!!!!!!! Oh My God!!!!!

Sent: October 10, 2007 Read: October 11, 2007 Subject: Thank You For The Music! Message: Dear Cynthia,

Just a note to say that your music has made me happy since I was a teenager. remember Me/Ain't No Mountain High Enough is probably one of the greatest singles ever released. Even now, almost 30 years later, I have it downloaded into my iPod and listen to it on a regular basis.

Your voice just gives me chills, and moves me with its depth of feeling.

I'm happy to see you're still going strong and touring. I hope Europe is on your itinerary (specifically Amsterdam). Thank you for your contributions to both musical culture and gay culture.

Love and respect,

Jeff Woloson

Sent: October 11, 2007 Subject: Re: Thank You For The Music! Message: hello jeff, thank you so much for your kind words and support. the music biz is brutal and it is always nice to hear positive things .... i love my job and it is the only thing i know how to do , so i KEEP ON KEEPIN' ON !!! SPREAD LOVE, CYNTHIA —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffpw (talk • contribs) 18:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Awesome! I hate to say it, but I don't really know her or the group, but that's really kewl!!! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

her immortal classic, "Remember Me/Ain't No Mountain High Enough". Jeffpw 21:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

LGBT Random Picture

Hi faithful leader of LGBTseses! ha! I was curious as to the best way to go about making the LGBT Random Picture script I put together part of Portal: LGBT since the one there is antiquated and doesn't provide a way to place it on user pages like LGBT Quotes does. I'd like to see it moved out my userspace and into Portal:LGBT space and useable by everyone, if not a replacement for the one there now. See it in action below:

User:Allstarecho/pic

Right now, it's placed using {{User:Allstarecho/pic}} (hopefully to be {{LGBT:Portal/Randompic}}). It has 13 entries (pics and ledes) but can accomodate up to 60. It's actually the same script that LGBT Quote is using except I modified it to handle images and produce its as seen output. It's templates for output is at User:Allstarecho/pic which calls up User:Allstarecho/LGBTPicstemp and its entries template is at User:Allstarecho/LGBTPics -- ALLSTAR ECHO 19:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Wowsers! Good job! I have no idea what to do with it.  :)

I would post a note (maybe just copy the above) to the group and see what people say - I suspect they'll be all for placing it on the portal! And several people in the group have some experience with the portal (I'm sadly deficient in that arena), so you may get some suggestions, pointers, or simply kudos :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, I posted it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies. I guess I'll get a consensus sooner or later. It doesn't appear to be active much there or on Portal:LGBT's discussion page either. Thanks! -- ALLSTAR ECHO 22:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

FL Main page proposal

You either nominated a WP:FLC or closed such a nomination recently. As such, you are the type of editor whose opinion I am soliciting. We now have over 400 featured lists and seem to be promoting in excess of 30 per month of late (41 in August and 42 in September). When Today's featured article (TFA) started (2004-02-22), they only had about 200 featured articles and were barely promoting 20 new ones per month. I think the quality of featured lists is at least as good as the quality of featured articles was when they started appearing on the main page. Thus, I am ready to open debate on a proposal to institute a List of the Day on the main page with nominations starting November 1 2007, voting starting December 1 2007 and main page appearances starting January 1 2008. For brevity, the proposal page does not discuss the details of eventual main page content, but since the work has already been done, you should consider this proposal assuming the eventual content will resemble the current content at the featured content page. Such output would probably start at the bottom of the main page. The proposal page does not debate whether starting with weekly list main page entries would be better than daily entries. However, I suspect persons in favor of weekly lists are really voicing opinions against lists on the main page since neither TFA nor Picture of the day started as weekly endeavors, to the best of my knowledge. See the List of the Day proposal and comment at WP:LOTDP and its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)