Talk:Ernest Hemingway

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Why is the above post here? Mucketymuck (talk) 06:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

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Addition to the section on Hemingway and Castro

I propose adding the following sentence: Hemingway and Fidel Castro met only once, on 15th of May 1960. On that occassion, Hemingway called Fidel Castro a friend in a dedication ("To Dr. Fidel Castro as a remembrance of this wonderful day in 'Barlovento' Marina with my best wishes always of his friend Ernest Hemingway, Barlovento Marina, May 15-1960"). Source: https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/74828767-ernest-hemingway-two-famous-friends-writ-from-ernest-hemingway-to-fidel-castro-1960

That would not be a sufficient source for that claim - it's of questionable reliability. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. The dedication is sold together with letters from Castro, Che Guevara, Cienfuegos and a photo of Castro and Hemingway taken the same day dedicated by Hemingway to Alberto Korda (the photographer). Is your claim that the source is less reliable than autographs used by Mellow and others for their biographies based on specific graphological peculiarities/abnormalities of that autograph? I personally (but I am not an expert) could not find any deviations from Hemingway's handwriting. https://www.catawiki.com/en/u/21179193-user-db5ad4e9974d 2A02:8071:B8A:FDA0:B853:6AA1:3869:1CEF (talk) 09:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

However, the sentence would correctly read as follows: On that occassion, Hemingway called himself a friend of Fidel Castro in a dedication ("To Dr. Fidel Castro as a remembrance of this wonderful day in 'Barlovento' Marina with my best wishes always of his friend Ernest Hemingway, Barlovento Marina, May 15-1960") 2A02:8071:B8A:FDA0:B853:6AA1:3869:1CEF (talk) 09:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

My claim is that we shouldn't be doing our own interpretation of whether that is or isn't his handwriting, we should leave that up to the secondary sources to do. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Just an update: The dedication to Castro has just been sold for 8500 USD in that auction. Someone spending such high amount of money usually consults an expert before doing so. No proof of course.

Btw: I took the effort to even more carefully compare the handwriting (each letter) to other specimens from that time and could not find any discreprancies.

I can also see no reason why Hemingway should not have written such dedication at that time (he was for sure not a friend of Batista, welcomed the overthrow of Batista in the New York Times - and was afraid of his Finca).

One could choose the following wording:

Hemingway and Fidel Castro met only once, on 15th of May 1960, on the occasion of a fishing contest in Barlovento Marina, Cuba. In 2023 a Cuban flag was sold at an auction (alongside autograph letters from Castro, Che Guevara and Cienfuegos) with a handwritten dedication to Castro. In this dedication, Hemingway - provided he was really the author - called himself a friend of Castro. The dedication reads as follows: "To Dr. Fidel Castro as a remembrance of this wonderful day in 'Barlovento' Marina with my best wishes always of his friend Ernest Hemingway, Barlovento Marina, May 15-1960". 2A02:8071:B8A:FDA0:0:0:0:FD92 (talk) 20:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, we can't put this in for various reasons. First, Hemingway wrote thousands of letters, some of which Carlos Baker collected and had published in Ernest Hemingway: Selected Letters, 1917–1961; some bits and pieces from those letters are already being used in this article, but only judiciously. Generally the article uses summary style and the dedication in one letter is too specific. Also, we'd need a secondary source about the letter explaining why the dedication is important - that's not something we do without another scholar first pointing it out. That there's currently an auction of Hemingway's letters has been in the news for some time (some have been sold for very high prices), but it's too early for that information to make its way to secondary sources and then for us to decided whether to use such a tidbit or not. Hope this helps. Victoria (tk) 21:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Photo Caption

Under the section ‘Idaho and Suicide’ there is a photo of Hemingway with Gary Cooper and a woman identified as Bobbie Peterson. The woman’s name is Bobbie Powell. I can provide evidence, if necessary, as she is my grandmother. TalostheTitan (talk) 00:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

ω Awaiting @TalostheTitan: yes, please provide verification from a reliable source. We need a citation to make the change. Peaceray (talk) 16:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done I changed Bobbie Peterson to Bobbie Powell. The Commons page File:Hemingway SunValley.jpg identifies this woman as Bobbie Powell, as does the source of the photograph, www.jfklibrary.org/archives/ernest-hemingway-collection/hemingway-media-galleries/idaho-1939-1960. Peaceray (talk) 16:11, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Arrogance and attitude toward women & animals

I admit that I have not studied the archives here, but wish to ask anyway: has nothing reliable at all ever been published about this man's disgusting personal behavior even though it often was so obvious to everyone? The article reads as if he was a perfect angel, as far as I can see. He was not, and the text needs balance. Great writer, yes. Wonderful man, emphatic no. SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2024

Anderson suggested Paris so that Hemingway could met the American writer

This sentence should say could meet not could met - bad spelling 2A05:87C6:1F6E:0:7882:B858:8B08:927D (talk) 08:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Yes, a typo, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 14 April 2024 (UTC)