User talk:Rikster2/Archive 4

NJIT dubious record

Thoughts about the removal of the 2007–08 season? Is User:SportsMaster correct in that it's not an "official" record to be the only Division I team to go 0–29? Jrcla2 (talk) 14:09, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

The NCAA record book (page 24) says they became D1 in 2010, so I suppose he is correct. Rikster2 (talk) 14:18, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I feel like it's part of their lore, regardless of whether the 0–29 it's specified as D-I or not in the template, but I don't care strongly enough to fight it. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Is it an all-division record? seems like it could be. Rikster2 (talk) 15:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

New college player articles

Heads up from contributions by User:Andise1. I'm not sure if the Fighting Illini players he's created articles for are notable. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:41, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, I personally think they are, hence why I created the articles. I will try and update them both with more information though. Andise1 (talk) 19:49, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

sexist

To remove a woman from the ranks of a classification based on her sex is extremely sexist. Numerous women's basketball coaches are included in the classification "American basketball coaches." Why are you removing Debby Black and Carrie Daniels? GWFrog (talk) 04:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Your argument would be a good one, if it was valid, but it is not. They are included in the sub-category of "American women basketball coaches" and inclusion in the sub-category does not automatically include them in the category. Thus, they are NOT in the "Category:American basketball coaches" unless they are specifically assigned to that category, as are many, if not most, women basketball coaches. That is the reason that the guideline you reference states,"A page or category should rarely be placed in BOTH a category and a subcategory or parent category (supercategory) of that category..." GWFrog (talk) 21:14, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, "a page or category should rarely be placed in both a category and a subcategory." In this case, "American basketball coaches" is the category and "American women's basketball coaches" is the sub-category. All "American women's basketball coaches" are "American basketball coaches," so all people in that sub-category are by definition in the parent category. Rikster2 (talk) 21:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

"Subcategories defined by gender, ethnicity, religion, and sexuality should almost always be non-diffusing subcategories. The Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality categorization guideline outlines the rules on these categories in more detail." Being female should not exclude them from the main category, and being in the sub-category does not automatically include them in the main, it merely includes them in the sub-...GWFrog (talk) 21:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

TfD merge procedures

Rikster, I just commented on the Basketball biography/WNBA infobox merge issues, and I've been following this merge process for a while. Like you, I also recognize the obvious problem regarding overlapping WNBA and overseas team tenures. A high percentage of second-tier and even some of the first-tier WNBA talent plays overseas during the WNBA off-season, and this was a known issue when the merge was proposed. These are exactly the sort of pratical and technical merge issues that are often overlooked or glossed over in TfD discussion, and should have been considered and resolved before a merge was proposed and submitted to TfD. I see the TfD merge process is too often driven by template editors and regular TfD participants who are not regular editors of sports articles (or other relevant topics), and have precious little understanding of the template histories and the reasons for their present configurations. And I have witnessed the aftermath of several template merges, where ordinary editors who were never notified of such pending changes are left to clean up the mess of template merges and the often imperfect auto edits used to implement them. When these merges involve hundreds if not thousands of articles, the proposers should be required to submit a more detailed merge proposal covering the template differences and resolutions -- I think there is an RfC pending on exactly this point on one of the TfD talk pages. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I think I brought up these issues in the WNBA template merge proposal. I guess we just figure out how to make it work at this point. please weight in at the proposal at WP:BASKETBALL if you haven't already. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 15:52, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Simple opinion

Hey. Does playing in the Dutch Basketball League and the National Basketball League of Canada warrant an article per WP:NBASKETBALL? Bit like the PBA, do these leagues meet "similar major professional sports league" in your opinion? Was thinking of creating a player who, while only played NCAA Division II ball, has played in Holland and Canada. DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Not necessarily. The Canadian NBL is definitely considered a "minor league." The Dutch League may be closer, but it isn't one of the leagues I think of when I think of the top leagues in Europe (I think of Italy, Spain, Greece, Turkey, Russia and maybe Israel, France and Germany). I would probably just look into the player meeting GNG - which at the end of the day is what NBASKETBALL is trying to gauge anyway. Rikster2 (talk) 13:38, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Righto, well in that case, this player probably wouldn't simply meet GNG. I just thought perhaps the DBL would be considered up there. Thanks a lot, good food-for-thought. DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:44, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I have yet to find an American player playing in any of the leagues I have named who didn't also meet GNG. Now, that is partly because import players are expensive so the Americans tend to be key players for their teams. But the quality of play (and I assume the pay) in those leagues is such that the players who opt to go to those leagues tend to have been accomplished US college players. I've seen more instances of fringe American talent in the Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, etc. that wouldn't meet GNG. Not a perfect bellwether, but I know US college ball well enough to generally gauge who will meet GNG and who won't before doing the search. Rikster2 (talk) 13:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, well no doubt any player who plays in those top leagues, meets NBASKETBALL, and thus meets GNG. In a way, a player can't not meet GNG if they meet NBASKETBALL. I still think the guidelines for basketball player articles are pretty arbitrary, and for articles that don't meet the set guidelines, they are only picked up every now and then for AfD etc. For example, when I created Justin Cecil and Corey Easley, they were picked up straight away pretty randomly and ultimately deleted (and rightly so, both did not meet NBASKETBALL – fair enough), but then when a lowly NZ NBL player in Bronson Beri is created, no one picks it up for not meeting notability. My point being, there are many player articles out there are less notable that other potential ones that many never be created or are deleted – i.e. someone like Jason Conrad (the player I am referring to) would be more notable than Beri or a tone of other ones similar to him not just in NZ. Anyway, I just reckon Conrad could probably scrape through, but I'll leave it for now. DaHuzyBru (talk) 14:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Eppa Rixey

Wrong one. The college basketball player was Eppa Rixey, IV. He is my neighbor. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:30, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Not according to the University. Take a look at this link. Eppa Rixey Jr, lettered in 1912–14. Eppa IV may have as well. Rikster2 (talk) 13:34, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Eppa IV is in the insurance business, very big man, looks exactly like his grandpa, and I am not actually sure where he played. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:42, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Your input is requested . . . .

Rikster, I need to get your input regarding the revised infobox template for college football players: [1]. After we figure out what data points to include, we'll get a template editor to handle the coding for us. Once we determine what fields we're adding and what we're deleting, then we'll start work on the modified graphics. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:50, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

hey

Hey rikster you are a good editor, and thank for your edits here. I just think that names of countries are unnecessary in basketball infoboxs. Every teams have articles so if someone wants to know from which country is FMP he will just click on them, and also in text is mentioned every country from which is some club. If we have rules here about some pretty stupid things (like OVERLINKS), then there must be a new rule to stop adding names of the countries in infoboxs. Cheers mate and sorry for my bad english.--109.93.236.217 (talk) 17:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Propose it at WP:BASKETBALL. There has been discussion about this but no agreement - there are editors I respect on both sides of the issue but as yet no definitive statement on how these should/should not be handled. Rikster2 (talk) 17:11, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Im just anonymous user, and i dont know how to do that... my knowledge about wikipedia and my english is not that good so i will probably not propose that. I just want to not complicate some things in infobox. As i mentioned every important teams in world basketball have their articles, so for me is pretty stupid to add names of countries.--109.93.236.217 (talk) 17:19, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

WNBA "allocated" params

Are similar "allocated" parameters from Template:Infobox WNBA biography needed in Template:Infobox basketball biography, or the generic draft params are good enough?—Bagumba (talk) 06:22, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Well I think it only matters for 1997. Take a look at what I did with Rebecca Lobo and see what you think. Rikster2 (talk) 08:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Now that I look at it, maybe we do need it. It only affects the first year of the WNBA, but it includes a lot of the biggest names in women's basketball Rikster2 (talk) 11:19, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

For Lobo, you could just do "draft=Allocated to the [[New York Liberty]]", and not use "draft_team", which creates text "Selected by the New York Liberty". I know the WNBA template used "allocated" but is that the common term or is it "assigned"?[2][3]. Also, those sources don't make it sound like it was technically part of the draft. Let me know how you think it should look: reuse existing draft format, or do something different because it's not really part of draft. As I don't know that much about the WNBA, I'll defer to you.—Bagumba (talk) 18:42, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll probably just use the draft parm as you suggest. I'll take a look at some primary sources today and get the language right. Rikster2 (talk) 21:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Potential problem edits

Rikster, you probably want to look at this ASAP: WT:CFB#Widespread changes to college sports program articles. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:17, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox WNBA player (?)

Rik, was this merge finally completed to everyone's reasonable satisfaction, or are there still outstanding issues? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

it's done, I converted a few and will continue to do so. Rikster2 (talk) 00:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Good. I've got two dozen former Gators to convert, too. Frankly, I think the WNBA infobox looked more refined graphically, but at least the debate is over. Any interest in participating the discussions for the revamped Infobox college football player and Infobox NFL player? We should have mock-ups ready for the CFB player infobox in the next week or so . . . . Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:42, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, the team history was easier to follow, and the box was a little wider so there was less bleed to a second line, but it had its own design problems. With coaches crossing over between the NBA and WNBA it was becoming important to ensure consistency between the infoboxes. Rikster2 (talk) 14:05, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Response to comment on my talk page

Hi Rikster2,

Thank you very much for the comment on my talk page. I read the discussion and will do what you said. Robert4565 (talk) 02:54, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Rikster2,

I just wanted to let you know that I replaced the infobox on five WNBA player articles: Rhonda Mapp, Rhonda Blades, Toni Foster, Rita Williams, and Sharon Manning. I will keep replacing infoboxes to articles I made, if necessary. Robert4565 (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Paul Yesawich

I thought I saw a reference that had Paul Yesawich as passing away in November 2014, but now I can't find it. Do you think you could see if you can locate an obituary or mention of it? He might be alive, but I'm pretty sure he's dead. Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 00:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I'll see what I can find tomorrow. Rikster2 (talk) 00:51, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Marcus Thornton

I was waiting until he hit 2,000 points to make the article, and here it is: Marcus Thornton (basketball, born 1993). If he's not voted the CAA POY then I'll be damned. If you can catch a W&M game before the season ends to snap photos of both him and of Tony Shaver, that would be awesome. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the article. I dont have any plans to go to any W&M games but if that changes I will try. Rikster2 (talk) 08:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

why

I gave a reliable source pertaining to KJ mc trade. So why revert my edit? That doesn't make sense...at all

Roster pages templates

I'm not sure if you are a mod or not (but I believe that if you aren't you at least know one), anyway, just to tell you that Schnaffyduck and 193.49.199.31 (probably the same guy) are vandalizing the NBA roster pages, by trying to pigeonhole the players positions (turning them into PG, SG, SF, PF, C, which in today's NBA, with players playing multiple positions all the time and all) and doing unnecessary redirects (like turning Chris Kaman into Christopher Kaman and Manu Ginobili into Emanuel Ginobili) without really stating a reason. Anyway, just to give you a heads up before we have a potential edit war. Have a nice day! Intruder007 (talk) 22:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

TCU basketball season articles

Hey, what is your opinion about moving the 2013–14 and 2014–15 articles to say "Horned Frogs women's basketball team" instead of "Lady Frogs basketball team" and the 2010–11 through 2014–15 men's articles to say "men's basketball team" instead of "Horned Frogs basketball team"? I've gone ahead and moved the men's basketball main article to say "men's basketball", but not the season articles. As I stated on the talk page about the name change, it shows that the university moved away from "Lady Frogs" in 2010, so using men's and women's articles would help people out. Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 05:48, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Formatting of season schedule tables

Rik, please take a look at these threads: [4] and [5]. I am not opposed to change, but I don't believe this is the proper way to implement changes in contravention of well-established practice. Your feedback on the relevant talk pages is requested. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Opinion

I was hoping you might have an opinion at Talk:Jalen_Brunson#New_main_image.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:49, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Kenneth

Sorry about this. I didn't see it. I have put the picture in the international section. It's only there now. Which is where it should be. –DangerousJXD (talk) 04:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Question

User:Zachlp is claiming that Northeastern, UNC Wilmington, and James Madison are not CAA co-champs because W&M holds the tie-breaker over all of them ([6][7][8]). Is that correct, or is he mistaken and it's truly a four-way tie? Jrcla2 (talk) 01:33, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

it's a 4-way tie in my eyes. The tie-breaker is for tournament seeding, not conference championship. The other 3 teams have legitimate claim to a share of the league title. It looks messy as hell in a table, though. Your boys should've won one more game. Rikster2 (talk) 01:35, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, here is confirmation from the league itself - http://caasports.com/news/2015/2/28/MBB_0228151027.aspx?path= Rikster2 (talk) 01:43, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. It's a little bittersweet that we couldn't knock off Drexel in the final game of the year to clinch it outright, but I'll still take a co-championship any day! Jrcla2 (talk) 02:08, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Austin Daye

Hey. Would you be able to do a quick revert on Austin Daye to back me up regarding this user's explanation to adding an Atlanta Hawks category. Daye still hasn't played for the Hawks, and while it's not a big deal (he'd probably revert me again tho), if anything it could help inform how cats work for future reference. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Request for consensus: Team stat leaders in schedule tables

Are you following this discussion on the WP:CBB talk page? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:59, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Conference basketball season pages

Hey, I saw you have been actively editing a college basketball conference season page, so please see this discussion here so we can get a consensus of editors. While this discussion is specifically on the SEC page, it concerns all conferences' pages. Jhn31 (talk) 22:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Seeking your counsel

Rik, would you object if I requested that the hidden team link in the first section header of Infobox basketball biography be removed? I didn't even know that it existed until it was raised as a comparison in the redesign discussions for the new Infobox college football player. The hidden "current team" links in the header create at least two problems under the MOS: (1) per MOS:LINK, section header elements are not supposed to be linked; (2) links are not supposed to be hidden, and the text and background colors of links are supposed to be visually distinguished from the colors of the unlinked surrounding text. It's also redundant with the current team link in the "career history" section. What say you? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:50, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Personally I have no issue with this, but sounds like something that should gain consensus. FYI, the field is only used because when the team link is different from the team name. If it's something like "Milwaukee Bucks" the template links that from the "team" field. Rikster2 (talk) 22:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Understood. Apparently, this was the common practice for the CFB, MLB, NBA and NFL player infoboxes 5 or 6 years ago, and other than the current Infobox basketball biography, they've all been delinked now. If you have no objection, I will start a discussion on the template talk page, and post notices on the talk pages for the three basketball WikiProjects. Like you, I believe in giving everyone an opportunity to have their say before making changes to key templates that everyone in a given project uses on a regular basis. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:17, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Color graphics for Infobox college football player

3-pixel accent with white text

North Carolina Tar Heels

Rik, here's a look at how the revamped CFB infobox is going: Template:Infobox college football player/testcases#Joe Cool (typical example). What do you think of the colors, graphics, and layout and design? In particular, how do you like the "college varsity stripe" graphics? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:29, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Looks good. Rikster2 (talk) 23:48, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

2015 NBA Draft

You removed a list of automatically eligible entrants, stating that college seniors were not included. However, the criteria identified in that section is as follows:

"Automatically eligible entrants This is an incomplete list that may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries. Players who do not meet the criteria for "international" players are automatically eligible if they meet any of the following criteria:

They have completed 4 years of their college eligibility."

If there is some dispute whether those players should be identified, please discuss in talk pages. As the eligibility requirements currently read, seniors meet the criteria for inclusion in this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2E1C:EDB0:2C5B:DDE6:E1F3:F970 (talk) 01:00, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

TfD

I don't normally solicit people to !vote, but were you planning to comment at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_3#Template:United_States_Squad_2002_FIBA_World_Championship? You commented earlier on the topic at WT:BASKETBALL. I don't really care how you end up !voting, but would at least like more participants to avoid a possible "no consensus". Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

why isn't it closed? So far no one has voted keep. Not sure I want to get involved. Rikster2 (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

The "comments" aren't explicit, but they are essentially treated as "keep"s due to their content.—Bagumba (talk) 23:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

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NCAA awards in infoboxes

I've noticed that you removed All-Regional team honors from Zach Auguste's infobox and I'm wondering if there is a list with those awards that pass the threshold for infobox honors. You'd be more than welcome if you could provide such a list in order to keep it in mind for future edits. I haven't been able to locate anything but this, but these rules apply for NCAA awards of players that turned pro. Thanks in advance. Hansi667 (talk) 17:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

There is more latitude with college players, but one thing that has consistently held as not meeting the threshold has been all-tournament honors of any kind. The other item that does not meet the threshold is MVP honors for an in-season (as opposed to postseason) tournament (e.g. the Maui Invitational Tournament). Rikster2 (talk) 00:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

So as far as I understand All-regional tournament teams don't pass the threshold, but All-Conference is OK. I'm fine by this but I think it should be agreed and written somewhere in order to help consistent future editing. I'd also like to ask if NIT MOP is ok for the infobox? It's a post season tournament but not the top class post season tournament. I'm asking this because I added this highlight to the Chasson Randle article. Thanks for answering my previous post. Hansi667 (talk) 14:11, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

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Editing guidelines

Hello, following your edits to my contributions and message on my talk page you made me aware of the policy on flags on infoboxes. I must admit I was not aware of this, I did read about it and although I strongly disagree with the arguments (or lack of) made against their use I will not be including them in the future. However I also read on the same page that duplicate links are allowed in infoboxes if they inform the reader, you also edited them out (for example from Frank Elegar's page with BC Kalev) but I feel they serve a purpose especially with players who often change teams which makes it harder to find the first link. Finally you also deleted team links that linked to the Italian wikipedia in the infobox (for example on Michele Vitali), is there a guideline on the subject that prevents this? I discovered the language suffix (for example (in Italian)), do I need to put that next to those links? If so I can understand why it could be problematic in the infobox.

Thank you. ArmstrongJulian (talk)

The thinking on WP:OVERLINK has been that few players' club history is longer than 15 teams - it's fairly easy to see where a team repeats. With the Italian links - the main thought is twofold - 1) few English wikipedia readers can read Italian, and 2) it gives the read4er the idea that there is an English WP article until they click on it, which is a bit deceptive. Also, if a redlink is in place then an editor may create the article in English. If they see a bluelink the thought would never occur to them. Rikster2 (talk) 00:54, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Jarell Eddie

Hey. I recently asked for your assistance in backing up with a stubborn user and was wondering if you could help me out again. A user has added Atlanta Hawks to Jarell Eddie's infobox, and despite my efforts, the user has not listened to my explanation regarding why it should not be listed there (Eddie did not make an appearance for the Hawks). You and I have been catalysts for this sort of thing in the past, and since Bagumba was not willing to get involved, I thought I'd come to you. I'd just like someone else to back me up so the user does not think it's just my personal vendetta on the subject. Thanks for considering. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:57, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

OK, done. When possible it's usually good to link the consensus discussion so the user can see that you're going by consensus rather than just have a different POV on something undecided. Rikster2 (talk) 16:26, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Cheers. I actually linked that discussion on the user's talk page – they did not respond and/or heed what I was trying to explain to them. Very frustrating. Thank a lot! DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:29, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Help

Hi Rikster2, I need a favor. Can you walk one editor through the Wiki Policy and general editing style. I'm not that proficient in being someone's mentor, guide, and even bigger reason is that I'm currently not having enough time for such discussions due to the private life duties... Go through his contributions, especially for these weighting more than 10k char., you'll see everything yourself, re-writing of the complete material with no enough citations, stats table format, domestic league stats table coverage, links in section header etc. What is good thing is that the user is willing to cooperate (see his latest contributions). I simply don't have energy for such things, and to be honest don't like it. If you do have some extra free time, please contribute or simply communicate with someone you may know who is willing to do the "dirty work". Ouch, the user I'm talking about - User_talk:ArmstrongJulian. Thanks!--AirWolf ^talk 21:53, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Dekker

Definitely was an edit conflict that the UI never complained about. Being that it just happened, I remembered clearly that all I did was cut and paste the city/state, not change the college name. Anyways, thanks for catching it.—Bagumba (talk) 21:50, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Byron Jones (basketball)

Hello Rikster2, I'd like to ask you a question. You made some edits in this article about Byron Jones (1973 NBA draft) and it seems you know things about him. There was a player named Byron Jones that played for Olympiacos B.C. in the season 1973-1974. He played for Olympiacos in their 1973-1974 European campaign in Saporta Cup along with Charlie Yelverton. Yelverton and Jones where actually the first foreign players that ever played for Olympiacos. So the question is this: Is this Byron Jones (basketball) the Byron Jones I'm looking for? Do you know if this guy ever played in Europe and particularly in Greece for Olympiacos? Do you have any way to find that out? All the evidence favours the fact that we're talking about the same guy. He was drafted in 1973, never played for the Boston Celtics, and it seems quite probable that he came to Europe to play. The article says that he was sent to Israel at first. Anyway, I'd really appreciate any help you can give me on this. Thank you so much for your attention. I'm looking forward to reading your answer. Gtrbolivar (talk) 15:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't know. I'll see what I can find out. Rikster2 (talk) 02:53, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks man. I'll be waiting. Gtrbolivar (talk) 12:09, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Infobox NCAA athlete, etc.

Hey. Long time, no talk. What's WP:College Basketball's position on having two infoboxes in the same basketball article? (See, e.g., Lindsay Taylor.) Also, are you aware if anyone is still actively using Template:Infobox NCAA athlete for particular college sports? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:00, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

shouldn't use two infoboxes. Basketball biography is comprehensive. I just combined the infoboxes for Dawn Staley because there are few good reasons for multiple infoboxes. Rikster2 (talk) 03:03, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. So, what do you know about the present status of Infobox NCAA athlete? With the flurry of template merger madness over the last year or so, I was surprised to see that it was still around. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't think it should exist. It's not as comprehensive, it contains irrelevant fields (such as major), and with the merging of the basketball player infobox to accommodate college colors (and the college football player infobox being a more specific/appropriate template than NCAA Athlete), I think it should be done away with. Of course, that would mean manually converting any article with NCAA Athlete to the more fitting infobox, but it still should be done. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:56, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Jrcla, I've reviewed about 45% of the remaining 280+ uses of Infobox NCAA athlete over the last 24 hours. As you have surmised, about half of the existing uses need to be manually converted to either Infobox basketball biography or Infobox college football player (about twice as many football as basketball). Many of the remaining uses, however, are orphan articles for notable college athletes from minor sports that do not have a "required" infobox. Would you object to a revamp of the NCAA box so that it utilize the varsity stripe graphics scheme and have sufficient sport-specific options to handle the orphans? Clearly, college basketball, football and baseball already have defined boxes for their use, and this would not encroach on the WikiProject choices that have already been made. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:08, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

You pose an interesting point, that a number of articles exist on less popular college sports' athletes. I suppose I'm ok with NCAA Athlete existing if alterations are made to its base format, which eliminate extraneous fields (again, such as major), and add flexibility to the infobox with its color schemes, options, etc. But for basketball, football, and baseball, those athletes ought to be converted to the more appropriate infobox. I did a number of basketball conversions a while back to early All-Americans. Maybe it's time I revisit some of those All-Americans again to do another conversion sweep. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Jrcla, I have not spent enough time looking at applications for the full range of potential uses, but I don't see any problem adding sports-specific parameters for those remaining "orphan" college sports that would use it. As for colors, thanks to Frietjes, we already have a well-defined team colors scheme that includes contrast-compliant text per WP:ACCESSIBILITY, and I see no reason not to use those colors for a revamped Infobox NCAA athlete -- if that's what we decide to do. That's as far as my thinking takes me based on what I know now. I'll report back to you, Rikster and other opinion leaders of the college sports projects when I know more and I have some time to devote to it. It may be two or three weeks before I wrap up some high-priority wiki-stuff. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:24, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Sulaimon

I had already replied to a discussion topic started by somebody else here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_Basketball#Rasheed Sulaimon on Template:2015 Duke Blue Devils men's basketball navbox?. I agree that it's always good to have a discussion, but I honestly don't understand how one could argue that somebody who wasn't on the roster of a team would be in the navbox titled "Duke Blue Devils Men's Basketball 2014–15 NCAA Champions." Feel free to continue the discussion there. -Bluedog423^Talk 19:31, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks I missed the discussion. At the end of the day, I can absolutely live with guys like Sulaimon not being on the template, but there are other players who this policy would affect (like K. C. Jones) and I hope we can reach a good consensus before we knee-jerk over one guy. This would impact 20+ players, not just Sulaimon. Rikster2 (talk) 19:44, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

The End of an Era

A sad day in Gainesville: [9]. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:07, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Hope you guys get a good replacement. I've heard Mark Gottfried's name. Be afraid. He's fucking terrible. Rikster2 (talk) 00:08, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Uh . . . yeah. As I'm sure you know, the Gators have a somewhat mixed history of success when importing men's basketball coaches from NC State. I think I would take another Pitino protege first. Hopefully, the program is well enough established that we can hire someone to at least maintain our competitiveness with UK and get us into the tournament consistently. The UAA (athletic association) certainly has the money. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

What's your opinion of Archie Miller? Good match? Long-term potential? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I like Miller. He's young and has a lot of upside. Not sure he can recruit at the level Donovan did, but that probably wouldn't be an issue. Rikster2 (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm. Well, Miller arguably has more coaching experience than Donovan did when he took the Florida job, and he seems to be one of this year's hot commodities. Why do you think recruiting won't be an issue? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

He seems to have a good eye for talent, but there's a limit to what talent is going to come to Dayton and he's done pretty well given that constraint. Plus, his brother is one of the best recruiters in college basketball, so maybe it runs in the family. I was impressed with their NCAA run last year, but this season they were really helped by playing their "first four" game on their home court (they would have lost to Saint Mary's on a neutral floor IMO), then they played heir second game in Columbus. I think his stock is a little inflated by going 5-2 the last 2 NCAAs when in reality it was one impressive run and one lucky seeding break.Rikster2 (talk) 13:15, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Do you think Miller is the best available pick/fit for Florida? From newspapers accounts, it sounds like Jeremy Foley has already made up his mind. Foley has been a good AD: he hired Billy Donovan, Becky Burleigh, Rhonda Faehn, Kevin O'Sullivan, Tim Walton and Mandy O'Leary, but he also hired Ron Zook, and you can make a really good argument that the Urban Meyer hire was really the university president's and not Foley's. Suffice it to say, there is a lot of anxiety among Gators fans right now. We've lost two top-notch coaches in the last two weeks who had won five NCAA championships between them (Donovan and Faehn), and we're still trying to replace the last championship football coach who left five years ago (Meyer). Gator fans are spoiled rotten, and we expect an average of two NCAA championship teams every year, and for virtually all of the other teams to make serious runs in the NCAA tournaments. There hasn't been this much doubt and uncertainty in Gainesville since 1989-90, before Kruger and Spurrier were hired. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:39, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Hard to say. The move coming later hurt you - Shaka Smart had already jumped and Gregg Marshall had already re-upped with Wichita State. I don't know what other options were available to you. If going the "young with potential" route, Miller is one of the better options (along with guys like Bobby Hurley and Richard Pitino). They might be able to pick off a guy like Larry Krystkowiak of Utah with some success at the high major level. Rikster2 (talk) 17:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, I guess were going to find out, assuming Miller accepts the job. Foley needs to make a good pick and close the deal; the Gators are already hemoraghing recruits. As a knowledgeable college basketball fan and an outsider, non-Florida, non-SEC guy, how do you view the Florida program? Is it a top-tier coaching job now? Or do you see it as a middle-of-the-road program that lucked into a top-tier coach for the last 19 years? Good golly, I would hate to think all of the progress made by Kruger and Donovan was for naught. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:52, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I don't quite view Florida as a pinnacle job in basketball. It isn't Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc. I'd put it in the next tier with programs like Michigan State, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State where the visibility, resources and recruiting base mean that a really good coach and recruiter can be in the hunt for titles on a reasonable regular basis. How is basketball perceived vis-a-vis football? I would think there is a really big gap, like at Texas. But I don't really know that first-hand. Rikster2 (talk) 20:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Gators football is sui generis because (a) it's the SEC, and the rivalries/relationships among member universities revolve around football in the perception of most alumni; (b) football generates most of the revenue needed to support 19 of the other 20 Gator sports teams (men's basketball pays its own way); and (c) home football weekends are major social affairs that are much more than sporting events -- in fact, for non-rivalry, non-top-20 match-ups, the game itself sometimes feels like a sideshow. Men's basketball is quite popular among students and alumni, but Florida is a school that supports all of its teams -- there will be a couple thousand Gators fans in the stadium for a women's lacrosse or women's soccer game, 1,500 for women's tennis home matches, and 3,000 or 4,000 for a baseball game or gymnastics meet. For a match-up against Alabama or Georgia, the gymnastics team will sell out home meets at the O'Dome. With time and a growing tradition of NCAA success, I would hope the next coach could move the Gators basketball team into the Kentucky-Duke-UNC-Kansas ether; the fan support is there for a successful program, but, admittedly, it will drop by half during a rebuilding season like the Gators just experienced. At a bare minimum, the fans now expect the team to be competitive with Kentucky, and to be in the hunt for SEC championships most years. Basketball is the second sport, but it's a damn popular second sport, and we can thank Kruger and Donovan for that. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:19, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

So, what do you think of this: Michael White (basketball)? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:22, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, known as an excellent X's and O's coach and a hot young commodity (he's under 40). Kind of risky as he's never been to an NCAA tournament as an assistant or head coach. Rikster2 (talk) 00:42, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I would be curious to know if Miller turned us down, or Foley decided to go in another direction. White is a former SEC player, and had recruited the South for the last four years, so there is some logic to it. Donovan had never been to the NCAAs as a coach, either, but knew march madness well as a player and assistant. I want to feel good about this, but I guess you can never be sure. Foley has a long pattern of picking purported "hot young commodities." For starters, we'll see how White does in keeping the 2015 recruiting class on side; his job gets harder if the class evaporates. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

NBL Canada Finals brawl

Hello. There has been a massive headline in basketball in Canada regarding the 2015 NBL Canada Finals, in which there was a brawl. I am attempting to expand the article I created about this. Should a separate page be created for the fight itself (and the suspensions, controversy, fines, etc)? TempleM (talk) 02:05, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Rikster2: Bump. TempleM (talk) 18:42, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't create a separate article personally. Rikster2 (talk) 00:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Aleksandar Pavlović

Can you help me with protecting Aleksandar Pavlović from IP edits temporary?--AirWolf ^talk 13:07, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Please comment pertaining to new school articles and categories

I began an important issue that will affect the college football, basketball, and baseball projects. You are a regular editor within any or all of these WikiProjects and your input is requested. Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#University of Texas Rio Grande Valley athletics. Thank you! Jrcla2 (talk) 01:37, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Monique Cardenas

I have this article watch-listed because she was a Gator, but I have serious questions whether she is notable per WP:NCOLLATH, WP:NBASKETBALL or WP:GNG. What say you?

Feel free to AfD. I'm just converting info boxes. Since she never played in the WNBA I don't feel strongly. Rikster2 (talk) 02:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

I PROD'ed it. Creator was indef blocked in 2007, and there have been virtually no substantive edits since. Article should die a quiet death in 7 days, without burdening AfD. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

And it's gone. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:50, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Requesting your input

Hello, sorry to bother you but I would appreciate your opinion (whichever it is, even if it's contrary to mine) on the topic Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Standard format for Euroleague and domestic league statistics. If you have none on a discussion that's central to European basketball only I would perfectly understand, it would be useful to note the fact. By polling the most active members of the WikiProject Basketball it would at least make everybody's opinion (or lack of) on the issue clear and a discussion that has largely been between me and AirWolf (talk) could be closed (ideally in a consensus) for the foreseeable future. Again sorry for blemishing your talk page. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 10:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I haven't decided where I land on this yet. But when I do I will comment. Thanks for asking. Rikster2 (talk) 12:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Just noticed you changed the league links on some player pages, replacing (Italy - 2nd) links by a general (Italy). It's not that I'm against this but is that the widely used format? There's one problem with it as we're linking the league the first time (example: (Italy)) when it is repeated unlinked (like this: (Italy)) it seems the player has only played in the top tier. Otherwise we could link the different league each time but that sounds unproductive. I can understand the want for less text in the infobox, and I know the concept of promotion/relegation is foreign to quite a few countries basketball wise but it would nice to be able to make the distinction though it doesn't have to formatted that way.

Another change is from “All Star Game” to “All Star”, I just don't want people to assume the All Star Game is to Italy what the NBA All-Star Game is to the US, that's not the case (for different reasons the best players aren't always selected for example). I'm thinking of just not putting it as a highlight, but Serie A gives so few personnal awards that it can be a good indicator of level (for an Italian player that's not a regular in the national team but considered one of the best Italians in the league for example).

Sorry again for pestering you, I try to look for specific guidelines but can't always find them. --ArmstrongJulian (talk) 15:15, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

the parenthesis was just meant to show country and there is much disagreement around using them at all. As someone who has had to fix articles where teams are being entered twice (or more) due to relegation/promotion I am trying to hold the line around their intent. Personally, I think they should go altogether. Particularly if the league is linked anyway there is minimal purpose Rikster2 (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Tony Gaffney

Hello Rikster, Your edit of the Boston Celtics from Tony Gaffney's basketball career is improper. He was signed to a regular contract during the regular season and was a member of the team through the remainder of the season and through the playoffs until he was waived in training camp the next season. He did not play during the regular season rehabbing from an injury. He was an active player and free to be active game by game throughout the playoffs (something uniquely done game by game in the NBA). Your interpretation of not being on the Boston Celtics is based upon an interpretation by the league of the collective bargaining agreement for the purpose of retirement benefits- nothing to do with the fact that Tony was a member of the the Boston Celtics and on the Boston Celtics regular season and post season roster. Also, I appreciate your dedication and diligence on Wikipedia as it is admirable. Thank you for your work.

Actually, it was not improper. WP:BASKETBALL had a lengthy consensus discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball/Archive 6#Teams listed in biography infobox. Unless a player appears in a game for a team that team isn't listed in the infobox. Andrew Bynum spent a whole season on the 76ers without playing a game and it doesn't appear in his team history. Rikster2 (talk) 23:53, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Conference POYs

There are only four 2014-15 Division I Conference POYs without articles: Mikh McKinney, Saah Nimley, Thomas Walkup, and Madarious Gibbs. Also, there are 13 DI coaches without articles. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 01:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

want to split them up? If so, which 2 CPOYs would you like to take? Rikster2 (talk) 02:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll take Nimley and Walkup. Also, have you ever considered running for adminship? You would be a pretty good candidate. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 02:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

OK, I'll take the other two. No. I haven't considered adminship. I'm kind of an asshole, which would be a problem in that process. Rikster2 (talk) 02:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Zach Auguste

Since you seem to be heavily interested in basketball articles, could you please participate in this discussion to help reach consensus? Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) ^{a penny for your thoughts?} 23:32, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

...

Please check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Collegiate sports (USA)... GWFrog (talk) 22:06, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Quick question for you

Hi there. Regarding your edit. I'm just curious where it says no school awards should be in the infobox. Just in case I run across other articles where they are present and someone asks me why I removed it I don't have to say "uh, I dont know, someone said it once on a revision after I added it". Thank ya kindly. Cheers, —  dainomite   03:43, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

it's in the template documentation (see here), and there have been numerous discussions about what goes in and what doesn't, which are found in the archives of the basketball project talk pages. In general, some things that never go in the infobox award list are: All-tournament honors, player of the week/month, preseason honors, And team- (or, in this case school-) specific awards like team MVP. Rikster2 (talk) 03:52, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hrmm the only thing I see about that is "Players with 5+ professional highlights should limit college highlights" am I missing it or was there something else? —  dainomite   15:15, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, that section links the style guide. That doesn't go into extreme detail, but the spirit is called out: "The "highlights" field of Infobox basketball biography should include notable highlights and awards that the person has won. This is not necessarily an exhaustive list. MOS:INFOBOX advises that "the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts in the article in which it appears. The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance." A good rule of thumb is to only list awards that would be expected to be mentioned in the lead if it were a featured article. Other awards less notable to the biography should instead be mentioned in the body of the article." A team-specific or program specific award (especially for someone like Kaminsky who was national POY, B10 POY and an All-American) really doesn't meet this standard. i think it's a good thing to include in the prose though. Rikster2 (talk) 15:28, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Perfect! Exactly what I was looking for. Thank ya Rikster! —  dainomite   16:14, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi Rikster2, I noticed you're heavily directed towards basketball, so I need your eyes finding errors in some articles I developed, because I lack you're experience. Check Carlos Andrade, Tomás Barroso and Jobey Thomas please.--Threeohsix (talk) 22:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject NBL Canada

Please accept this invite to join the WikiProject National Basketball League of Canada, a WikiProject dedicated to improving National Basketball League of Canada related articles. Simply click here to accept!

Since you have not edited any articles that I know of relating to the National Basketball League of Canada, I'm not expecting you to join. However, as an experienced editor in basketball articles, you would be a huge asset to this small and new WikiProject. You don't need to create or edit articles on this topic on a daily basis. TempleM (talk) 23:57, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Big East

Wikipedia recognizes two separate "Big East" conferences: Big East Conference (the current one) and Big East Conference (1979–2013). Anything pre-2013 needs to link to the latter article. If you disagree, you need to discuss the situation and see if there's consensus to merge the two articles. —C.Fred (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

See your talk page. I will start the discussion, but "Big East basketball" history starts in 1979 and continues to today, as you can see in the media guide I linked at your page. Wikipedia shouldn't contradict RS's. Also, you undid many previous edits of mine in your zeal to undo all these that had nothing to do with the Big East (see Joe Mullaney). Rikster2 (talk) 23:55, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

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Luke Ridnour

I see where you are coming from, yet you can not say he wasn't "officially" a member of the Raptors. If a team can waive him, then he was an official part of that team in one way or another. If LaMarcus Aldridge suffered a major injury before ever stepping on the court for the Spurs, would you not acknowledge him as being a part of the Spurs? Sure, the circumstances are different, but effectively, the end result of not having "played" for the team would be the same (until, of course, Aldridge takes the court for the Spurs)... Wages444 (talk) 04:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

In that case Aldridge's lead would read "last played for the Trail Blazers." Nobody is saying the transaction shouldn't be mentioned in the article at all – it already is. But for a guy who has played 13 years in the NBA and was a college All-American, his brief time as the property of the Raptors just isn't that big a deal. So it doesn't need to be in the lead. There's a section in the article about his offseason movement and this trivia doesn't really require more space. Besides, most likely he will just sign somewhere else and the lead will be rewritten with the new team anyway. Rikster2 (talk) 04:16, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Career Numbers

--RichieConant (talk) 21:25, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I did notice that it was only on retired player's bios. I was wondering if we could include it in active players bios. I think it is a good idea because I know some people are interested about what other numbers players have worn in their careers and on what team. For instance, I had know idea that Brandon Bass wore numbers 33 (New Orleans Hornets) and 32 (Dallas Mavericks) in the mid 2000's. I always thought of Brandon Bass as number 30 which he has worn with the Magic and the Celtics. I think if we included these numbers and a link to what team they were on when they wore them, it could be a great addition to active players bios, as well as retired players bios.

I am totally willing to go through the active rosters and update each players wiki page if that is an issue.

Jerian grant

Jerian Grant is on the New York Knicks why did u change everything Awesomesports123 (talk) 18:56, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Helms championships navboxes?

Thoughts on the exist of Template:1933 Kentucky Wildcats men's basketball navbox, for example? Jrcla2 (talk) 13:00, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Ugh, no. Many of the players won't be notable and the rigor by which these champions were chosen by the HAF is highly contested. It'd be akin to having NIT champ navboxes IMO. Rikster2 (talk) 13:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I posted a message on the user's Talk page. Do you want to TfD? There is also a Purdue one for the previous year. Rikster2 (talk) 13:10, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll certainly chime in on the AfD but I'm feeling a bit too lazy to nominate them. I'm sorry if that's a half-hearted answer! Jrcla2 (talk) 02:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

All-conference in infobox

There was a recent edit to remove AA and All-Pac-10 from Baron Davis. Are you interested in collaborating on an initial proposal to tighten up WP:NBASTYLE on which college honors we should list. We'd pass it by WP:NBA as a whole once we get a working draft.—Bagumba (talk) 20:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

• Rik, I agree 100% with your list of what honors should not be included in the infoboxes of NBA and other pro players. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:26, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
• Rikster2: Not sure if you missed them or were still getting to it, but I had added some comments at User_talk:Bagumba#Infobox_awards. Respond at your convenience.—Bagumba (talk) 01:52, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Ben Simmons

Fair enough. Just thought because he was listed on their roster I would update accordingly. I'm not hugely accustomed to college basketball, but I plan on following it more this season because of Ben. When is this usually updated? Do they officially enrol or something? DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:59, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Generally when the school starts session in the Fall (varies by school - late August to early September) that's when the student-athletes have actually started their freshman years. Rikster2 (talk) 14:01, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Righto, thanks for that! DaHuzyBru (talk) 14:44, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Infobox issue

Recently, I have been expanding the Anthony Anderson article. This player has spent the majority of his pro career with one team. This team was called the "Manchester Millrats" from 2007–2010. After 2010, they moved cities and became known as the "Saint John Mill Rats." The team also played in the American Basketball Association from 2007–2008, the Premier Basketball League from 2008–2011, and the National Basketball League of Canada from 2011–present. How would all of this be conveyed in the infobox? I have already tried something out, but it looks like it will need reformatting. TempleM (talk) 17:19, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

just skip the league/country parenthesis. They aren't required and log up the infobox anyway. Rikster2 (talk) 17:55, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Washington (University) Bears ?

Rik, you may want to take a look at this requested move: [10]. It involves the application of our naming conventions to the Division III sports program at Washington University in St. Louis. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:04, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Your opinion is requested

Here: Template talk:CFB Schedule Entry#Request to add a reference column. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:45, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Ron Dunlap – Rockford Royals?

I'm not seeing where the Rockford Royals was a CBA franchise per Continental Basketball Association franchise history. I was going to add the Rockford Royals player category to Ron Dunlap. Can you confirm if this was a franchise, and what years it existed? Jrcla2 (talk) 17:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. You learn something every day. Apparently there was an earlier Continental Basketball Association from 1969 to 1974 unconnected to the one we know (which evolved from the Eastern Basketball League). The Rockford Royals were a team in the league according to the APBR site. Unclear if the Royals existed in the 1973–74 season or if Dunlap were actually on the team (no reason to doubt it I suppose). Rikster2 (talk) 20:21, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

So weird, I had no idea. I will not make the category then since I don't want to confuse the two CBA's. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:53, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Sean May

Look at Sean May. Can you please explain Miamiheat631, about adding years in infobox. Or if im wrong explain to me. Thanks--Bozalegenda (talk) 02:00, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Art Spector and WP:NOTBROKEN

If I'm wrong per WP:NOTBROKEN, why did you change the links the first time round anyway? The links already pointed to the correct location and then you decided to change them for no good reason. I suggest you change it back. – PeeJay 15:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

One of the reasons NOTBROKEN says redirects are fine is because they can become articles. Forward (basketball) is absolutely a candidate for a stand-alone article, where as redirecting to a section of another article is not. There are literally hundreds of links to forward (basketball), if an article is written it will link them all. I won't change it back. Rikster2 (talk) 15:37, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Varun Ram

Why does it say Varun Ram is with the terrapins? I thought he delcared for the draft?

Where does it say he's with the Terrapins? He was a senior last year. Rikster2 (talk) 18:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

OK, I changed it back to a college profile. It had been mistakenly closed and the years shown in the college field indicated he'd played 4 years. Fixed now. Rikster2 (talk) 19:04, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Antetokounmpo brothers nationality

I saw on articles of Antetokounmpo brothers, Giannis and Thanasis, that it listed them as naturalized citizens of Greece. I just wanted to tell you, since you are I think a reviewer, and can start discussions and so forth, that neither of them is a naturalized citizen of Greece. They are simply Greek citizens, and not naturalized. Actually, under Greek sports law, naturalized citizens are not allowed to play in Greek national teams. So I just wanted to explain that, since I have removed that they are naturalized citizens of Greece probably about 5 times at least each from both of their articles. If a discussion about it needs to be started, explaining why they are not naturalized, I can explain it. But they are most definitely not naturalized, as they were born in Greece. But it seems that a lot of editors are convinced that they are.Bluesangrel (talk) 01:40, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Reply to college external links

I'm ok with that. Thanks for mentioning. AirWolf ^talk 12:50, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Manix Auriantal nationality

I recently created an article for Manix Auriantal, who was born and brought up in Canada and holds Canadian nationality according to his FIBA profile. However, he has previously represented Rwanda at international events (specifically the AfroBasket in 2007). Would this make him Rwandan-Canadian? Or is he solely Canadian? TempleM (talk) 18:44, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Michael Gbinije

I don't know if it's fair to call Gbinije Nigerian, since he never set foot in the country. His dad was from Nigeria, which is why he competed for the national team. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 20:34, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Right, but a big part about why we have the field is because of FIBA representation. If he's Nigerian to FIBA, I think we treat it as Nigerian in terms of Wikipedia. Rikster2 (talk) 20:36, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Personally I think someone should be from or reside in a country to compete for them internationally, but I don't make the rules. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 20:43, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

ArmstrongJulian

Can you please tell the user ArmstrongJulian to cool it and be nice and respectful on here? I have tried to be nice and respectful to them, but they are just rude and have an ax to grind. They started by accusing me of purposely trying to make up false and wrong and lie edits to the Pallacanestro Treviso article. Don't know if you remember that. And insults went with it. It kept on and I tried to be nice. Then it keeps on with when I make an edit, they come back with my edits are bad and I am wrong, and if I ask them to be careful with their edits that I fixed, they get insulting and rude about it. No matter how nice you try to be, they are like that. Then I notice in their edit history following back on my edit history and editing back articles I edited and created and removing edits saying they are unsourced or wrong or something like that, when they are totally factual. And then putting articles I made up for deletion, even though they make the criteria completely for articles and yes, you agreed they should be deleted, but it's besides the point, because you admit you don't follow European basketball. Besides, I read the guidelines again, and they meet the criteria anyway, despite what some angry editor with an ax to grind thinks. And they should not be nominating articles you created for deletion after telling you off at your talk page. That's bush league material right there. I can't imagine Wikipedia allows that. I have tried to ignore this editor for a long time, but this stuff isn't right and Wikipedia should not tolerate this sort of thing at all. So can you please ask this editor to cool it with this stuff? I would really appreciate it. I tried to talk with them before about it directly and they would not discuss it, but just get rude about it. I asked if they would only talk if a mod got involved (something I don't want at all) and they had another rude response. So can you please talk to this person and tell them to cool it down, because they simply say that they refuse to discuss any of the points I bring up with them, only they say it in a rude manner and basically tell me off. Thanks ahead of time for any help if you can give it.Bluesangrel (talk) 23:15, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Bluesangrel - I'm sorry that you are having a tough time. I am not an administrator (and have no desire to be) and don't feel like it is my place to get involved in a dispute between two editors. My recommendation would be to follow the process at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests. Sorry. Rikster2 (talk) 00:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

OK. Well, I don't want to get another editor in trouble, so I won't do that. But I really hope this editor softens up.Bluesangrel (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Persondata

Hey, so just deleting the persondata from all articles would be good and the way to go? Kante4 (talk) 13:39, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Would be good, but not sure if i can delete them on articles i edit. Kante4 (talk) 16:23, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia Talk:Persondata, the only field of any use is the "alternate name" field. If that's blank, I'd just delete it. In any event, I wouldn't waste any energy updating these fields. Rikster2 (talk) 16:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Saves a bit of time. ;) I also find it unnessesary to have a link to the national team in the medalbox in the infobox. Just use that parameter when there is a specific article to link to, other than that it looks better when it's blank instead of 4-5 links to the same team, imo. Worked on the french ones in that case... Kante4 (talk) 16:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Invitation/reminder: Listed height and weight in infoboxes

Hi. I've seen that you've participated in a discussion on Listed height and weight in infoboxes and I want you to read my proposal and comment on whether you support it or oppose it. The reason is I want to get a consensus on this issue once for all. Thanks in advance. Bye.--AirWolf ^talk 20:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

High school play

Where is it written that high school play is to be ignored? In the Category:American basketball coaches, just through the letter A, there are a dozen coaches with their high school play listed, including Mark Aguirre, Danny Ainge, Steve Alford ,and Red Auerbach... I didn't bother going any farther in the alphabet... GWFrog (talk) 17:37, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

All of the people you list use Template:Infobox basketball biography not Template:Infobox college coach because they are NBA figures at some point in their past. That infobox has a "high_school" field specifically to show their HS name and city. College coach doesn't. If you want to convert the infobox for Harris to basketball biography you can, but you lose fields like coaching record. There is no one using college coach that shows the HS career in "playing years." Rikster2 (talk) 17:42, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

In the Parameters for Template:Infobox college coach it has:

alma_mater

School(s) coach graduated from

player_sport1..20

The sport they played in for the teams listed below. player_sportX clashes with player_yearsX and player_teamX. If player_sport1 is defined, player_years1 and player_teams1 will be suppressed; they'd have to be shifted down to player_years2 and player_teams2.

player_years1..20

years the coach played

player_team1..20

The teams the coach played for

player_positions

The position(s) the coach played

Nowhere does it say, "Use college information only, ignoring high school data." I don't see that including the high school info is a problem or why you are making an issue of doing so... GWFrog (talk) 18:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

It's funny you should ask me why I'm "making an issue out of this." I was wondering the same thing about you. Heck, on your last revert you had left me a message about this then reverted my edit before allowing me to engage in the discussion that you started. There are almost 7000 articles using "infobox college coach" and I have probably edited over a thousand of them at some point. I can honestly say I have NEVER seen one that tried to list HS playing years in the player fields, even guys like Steve Spurrier who were high school All-Americans. Additionally, there are over 10,000 articles using infobox basketball biography or infobox NBA biography (directs to the same thing). I don't know of one case that shows high school playing years (as was the case in the Harris article). What is so special about this guy that the format should vary so much from literally every other similar article? There is a nice section in the prose about his HS career (which I assume you wrote), his HS career isn't being "ignored." Rikster2 (talk) 19:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I've also edited well over a thousand of the articles using Infobox college coach. It's never been common practice by me and any other regular editors to include high school years in the playing fields, only junior college, college, and pro. High school or any other level is commonly reflected in coaching or admin fields. @Dirtlawyer1: and I are planning on revamping Infobox college coach and putting some written standards in place for all fields. We certainly want to look at any and all fields and get input from an array of editors, although I don't think the idea of putting high school playing years in the infobox will be too popular because of the general lack of notability and verifiability of that information. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:54, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey, guys. I'm one of the sports infobox busy-bodies, and I have been involved -- to a greater or lesser degree -- with the redesign and modification of the infoboxes for NFL players, CFB players, college coaches and NBA personnel. The first principle of good infobox design is to resist the temptation to try to include everything. Infoboxes are supposed to represent only the most important elements of a person's life/career, not a bullet-point retelling of the article's main body text. Infoboxes should focus on the 10 to 15 most important data points of a person's life and career, and that usually involves making some choices (sometimes hard choices). Core data for all persons, regardless of occupation, usually includes the subject's dates of birth and death, and place of birth. For athletes, core data usually includes teams of which the subject was a member (and related year-spans), and likewise for coaches. We also typically includes major championships won and awards received by the subject athlete or coach.

Into this mix of career data, we must ask how relevant is a college or pro sports coach's high school playing career to his later coaching career? And the short answer is: not very much. Is Steve Spurrier's time at Science Hill High as important as his college and NFL playing careers, the USFL, college and NFL teams coached, the college championships won, or the college honors received? Nope. Not even close. Frankly, the same could be said for most successful professional athletes, too. Michael Jordan's high school playing career is near-meaningless trivia in contrast to his college career at North Carolina, his pro career in the NBA, the championships won, and the college and pro honors received. Remember: infobox data is about making choices, so, no, I would oppose adding a new parameter to Infobox college coach for the high school playing career of a college coach. Nothing prevents anyone from adding a well-sourced paragraph or two about the coach's high school playing career in the main body text, which is where it should be in my opinion. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:29, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it OK for other editors to nominate your articles for deletion out of a personal grudge and then not notify you of it?

I just wanted to get clarification of this because I can't get any. ArmstrongJulian marked several of my articles for deletion, and did so out of a grudge. I did not even know that such editors were allowed in the Wikipedia, but anyway, in doing so, the editor did not notify me of the articles being marked for deletion. I am asking you because I asked you about this before, and because you were working in the basketball project and I know you are not an admin and you told me that, but you did review the articles and mark them for deletion. But I never got a confirmation back from you on if Wikipedia allows this sort of thing by editors? I just can't understand how the site would allow that. I would like to have some sort of confirmation one way or another on if that type of thing is allowed or not? Or maybe you know an editor that would know? Bluesangrel (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

If that's truly what is going on, you can report him here - Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Might be hard to prove the reason he put the articles up for AfD is a grudge, though. Rikster2 (talk) 00:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know that I included you in a discussion about a complaint I made about ArmstrongJulian at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#ArmstrongJulian nominating articles for deletion out of personal grudges and general editing with personal bias and rudenessBluesangrel (talk) 18:03, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Bluesangrel - No offense, but you should leave me out of it. This is your argument with another user and I just am here to edit and create articles. I have both agreed and disagreed with both of you on several matters and am kind of annoyed that you wrote "But i want to make clear that in the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball they are always agreeing with each other and they are always suggesting one thing, with the other agreeing and trying to change things or set new standards" at the ANI page. I feel like I am a very active member of this project and that we disagree quite a lot. Setting standards for basketball articles is one of the missions of that project. You are free to join those discussions - and have. But not everyone's preference can result. If you feel like you have legitimate cause to report him, great. I haven't followed the history of the two of you all that much to be honest. Rikster2 (talk) 18:17, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

I was not talking about you Rikster. I was talking about a completely different editor, the admin Bagumba, is who I was talking about. And it is frustrating that he is an admin and he did nothing to even discuss any of this. This is very frustrating to me, because no one would do anything, no matter that I did everything advised by Wikipedia, and simply did not want to get anyone in trouble. Now I make a complaint, and everyone is mad at me for again no reason. I guess I worded the complaint wrong, because AirWolf is mat at me also and another editor sent me a message that they could not understand it. I have never sent a complaint before, so I don't even know how to do it. But no, I was not talking about you. Sorry for the confusion. I guess i am not getting anywhere with this complaint, which is very frustrating, because Julian is an out of control editor and I am sure he is doing the same to other editors. You don't act that way to just one person.Bluesangrel (talk) 18:29, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Give it time, you just put it up there in the last hour. Your best case is to link the edits you feel were wrongly done (use Help:Diff for how), as GiantSnowman suggested in the AFI. Show people what you are talking about instead of asking people like me to corroborate. Everything on Wikipedia is archived so it's not like anyone can take an action or make a comment and delete it. It's always there. You do some good editing, and I'd like to see you feel like you've gotten fair treatment, but I've not been directly involved. I didn't even know there was a disagreement on the Pallacanestro Treviso Talk page, for example. Rikster2 (talk) 18:34, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Were you not the editor that Julian was arguing with me about and having that huge endless needless discussion and argument over this article Universo Treviso Basket and whether they should be two separate articles? Now I am confused. I could have sworn it was you.Bluesangrel (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

No. Go look at that Talk page - do you see my name anywhere? Rikster2 (talk) 18:43, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, I guess it was on something else. But I could have sworn that Julian brought that up again and involved you on it. Maybe I just remembered it wrong. Sorry if I did. I will change that at the complaint page. It was an honest mistake.Bluesangrel (talk) 18:45, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Persondata

I'm not fully conversant on the deprecation of the Persondata template. I'm guessing that there's something in wiki data that replaces it. Do we have to do anything? Or does wiki data take care of it by itself.

I'm sure I've written some articles with this template in them. Should I just remove it and do nothing and everything will take care of itself or do I have to remove it and take some other step?--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:35, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Persondata was officially deprecated by an RfC in May 2015; no one should be adding to it, modifying it, or adding Persondata templates to new articles. Wikidata is a much better system for embedding metadata (hidden, but searchable core datapoints about a subject), it is intended to be used for all subjects, not just biographical ones, and it works for all of the different language versions of Wikipedia, not just the English language Wikipedia. That said, there are some editors who want to delete all remaining Persondata immediately, and others -- including myself -- who rightly point out that much accurate and useful information remains to be transferred from Persondata to Wikidata. I have over 5,000 bio articles on three different watch lists, and I am manually transferring all of the accurate and non-duplicative Persondata information from those articles to Wikidata before I manually delete the Persondata with an edit summary noting the transfer. At a minimum, before deleting the Persondata template, we should be checking to see if the Wikidata subject profile includes (1) the subject's common name (e.g., "Babe Ruth"), (2) full name (e.g., "George Herman Ruth"), (3) birth date, (4) birth place, (5) death date, (6) place of death, and (7) brief description (e.g., "American swimmer, Olympic gold medalist" or "American basketball player, coach"). One of my concerns is the loss of alternate name forms -- full names, birth names, maiden names, multiple married names, adult name changes, nicknames -- that were often embedded in Persondata because there was no other convenient place to list them. In my personal editing experience, some of the best and most detailed Persondata was added among sports subjects, and we should be organizing to review and compare remaining Persondata and transfer accurate information to Wikidata. At a minimum, if you would review the Persondata and Wikidata for those articles you have watch-listed, that would be a big help and a manageable task. If you would give me two or three examples of articles you follow, I would be happy to provide concrete examples of what can and should be done. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:51, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I responded at your talk page --S Philbrick(Talk) 17:14, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: With your permission, I'm going to copy-paste these discussions from Rikster's and my user talk pages to the talk page page for WP:BASKETBALL. I think a lot of other sports editors -- and the sports WikiProjects -- would benefit from these discussions about Persondata. Is that okay with you? Rikster, I would love to have your participation at WT:BASKETBALL, if you're interested in the subject. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:35, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

DL - I am not at all interested in spending my time transferring data from persondata to Wikidata. To me, that is the epitome of work that a bot should do - moving data from prescribed fields in Wikipedia to prescribed fields in Wikidata. I also have questions aout how, if this is very important, is the data getting to Wikidata from new articles that don't have Persondata? If it isn't, then persondata will soon be outdated anyway. I can stop deleting persondata, but why shouldn't I delete it if it doesn't contain alternate names and brief description? Logically birth and death dates and places can be drawn from infobox fields if one exists on the article. There is no way humans can efficiently move this stuff over, so why is no bot being employed? If it is truly important, then the resources should be put forth to do this job. Rikster2 (talk) 18:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

You might find it useful to read the RfC which deprecated Persondata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:40, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

That is an incredibly dense and spidery discussion to point anyone asking what the issues are to. Rikster2 (talk) 18:49, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, but it's there if you want it. Feel free to skip to the closers's statement. There's also A SIgnpost article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)'

Or we can refer people to what the May 2015 RfC closing administrator had to say to Andy:

Andy, ping me off-wiki. You are in danger of WP:NCR. Seriously, calm down, it can be done slowly and methodically, and let people come to terms with it over a period of time. Seriously, just chill a bit and you'll win the battle for hearts and minds. Nobody doubts your commitment or passion, but you have a positive genius for rubbing people up the wrong way! Guy (Help!) 21:57, 2 June 2015 (UTC) [11].

Not sure why you don't bring that up, but it is rather disingenuous how you always leave that part out, Andy. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:11, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Pigsonthewing I agree with Rikster's observation. Please consider a {{nutshell}} summmary. I plan to read it, but I can understand that some might choose not to. (I see your suggestion to jump to the closing statement, which may be an adequate closing statement for those involved in the discussion but it doesn't give a hint regarding the issues.)--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:28, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: It is important to recognize that Andy is the leading crusader for immediate deletion of all Persondata. There remains large amounts of accurate and usable information from Persondata that has not been transferred to Wikidata, alternate names being the chief example among them. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:11, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Rikster, if there are no alternative names or brief descriptions in the Persondata templates for particular articles, it's probably reasonably safe to delete them. I would suggest that you check the Wikidata profile for the articles before deleting the Persondata templates, and check the core data outlined above in particular. There were bot runs in the third and fourth quarters of 2014 that transferred some, but not all information from Persondata to Wikidata. I'm guesstimating 85 to 90 percent of birth and death dates were transferred to Wikidata (although, it is unclear whether this data was transferred from infoboxes or Persondata), and some significantly lesser percentage of brief descriptions were also transferred. Apparently no major bot runs have been attempted since then, so Persondata added, modified or update since 2014 has not apparently been transferred by bot action. I was very surprised to recently learn that there is no automated process for transferring article information to Wikidata from newly created articles, so we probably should be training our editors to create Wikidata profiles for new articles, too.

Personally, I would like to have seen more concerted efforts at bot transfer, but folks like Andy maintain that isn't feasible (or worth the effort). I have no choice but to take him at his word regarding bot transfers, but I have reviewed and compared Persondata and Wikidata for well over 1000 articles so far, and manually transferred additional Persondata to Wikidata for most of them. The alternate names, in particular, seem not to have been transferred by bot action in any meaningful percentages. Failing to get those alternate names into Wikidata would represent a real loss of metadata because many of these alternate names do not appear elsewhere in the articles. In any event, we are also missing a real opportunity to introduce our Wikipedia editors to Wikidata, and we should be working to achieve maximum buy-in into the Wikidata system. If we believe in the value of metadata -- and in the new Wikidata system -- we should be doing everything we can to ensure its accuracy and completeness as to core biographical data of our article subjects. That's my perspective. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

You suggest I would suggest that you check the Wikidata profile. I don't don't know how to do this.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

We should continue this elsewhere

I didn't realize what a hornets nest I kicked. It isn't fair to Rikster2 to carry on this conversation here. Where is a better place?--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Follow up on my talk page. I'm preparing a general discussion for the sports WikiProjects. Thanks, SP. Apologies to Rikster for spilling so much ink on your page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:32, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

it's par for the course on my Talk page, look at the other discussions presently on it. but yes, move it elsewhere please. Rikster2 (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: There's an ongoing RfC at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Removing Persondata, with no posts in the last few days, about how to implement the consensus at the previous RfC, which I referenced above. Judge for yourself what consensus is forming. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Sort of ironic you posted this under this particular header. Rikster2 (talk) 21:04, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Conference POYs

Nice job with Madarious Gibbs! Yes, I think I can tackle Damon Lynn within the next couple of days or so. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 15:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I have created an article on Lynn. Feel free to add to it, as the article is rather short. Good luck on Anthony Gill! ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 15:39, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Are you going to tackle Anthony Gill soon, or should I have a go at it? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 18:03, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Eddy - I haven't had a ton of time lately and have a couple of other articles in the queue ahead of it - feel free to do it if you like. There is a picture on the 2014-15 Virginia Cavaliers article you can use for him. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 20:08, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

IPs removing sourced nationalities of Argentine and other players

Hey Rikster, there are different IPs that say they come from Mexico, that are removing the sourced nationalities of Argentine players. I just noticed this now. It is on like almost every single article of Argentine basketball players. Since most of the Argentine players have for example Italian descent, they have Italian passports and play with Italian citizenship for example in Europe. A lot of them also have a Spanish, or Polish, or German citizenship. The same case is also true for many Brazilian players, as most of them also have an Italian descent and play with Italian citizenship if they play in Europe (or some as Spanish maybe), and players from Uruguay also and so forth. But the same thing is also being done in those articles. I just now noticed this was happening. Is there something we can do about this?Bluesangrel (talk)

Big East

The current Big East can claim anything they want, for the simple reason that the American doesn't seem to care, but legally and in the eyes of the NCAA, the American Athletic Conference is the successor to the former Big East Conference and has existed since May 31, 1979, while the present Big East Conference is a new creation that did not exist before August 1, 2013. GWFrog (talk) 23:07, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Gimmie a break, check out the BE basketball media guide - history claimed back to 1979, which was part of the arrangement. That indicates a split. The American only cared so they'd get the BCS bid. Heck, read the current BE history section on the website. Rikster2 (talk) 23:12, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

User:Basketballfan12

He's at it again. Incorrect article naming convention (no comma), incorrect infobox formatting, no categories, no content. He might need to be brought up at a noticeboard at this point. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:26, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Would you mind throwing a warning his way? I can do it, but I'd like it to be clear I am not the only person concerned with his actions or that I'm picking on him. Rikster2 (talk) 20:30, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Just messaged him. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:40, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Baloncesto Málaga basketball players

It's an odd duck - it wasn't renamed, actually. It looks, according to the history, as if Category:Baloncesto Málaga basketball players was created in 2008; Category:CB Málaga players was created in 2006. The two existed in parallel until earlier today someone made the latter into a redirect to the former; I just combined the two. I would have no objection to a name change; I would suggest one using "Baloncesto Málaga" because that's the name of the article. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:12, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Right, but a user just renamed all the "CB Malaga" articles and templates that way. Not saying it is wrong, but it'd probably be best for someone else to look at it besides that user. Rikster2 (talk) 17:14, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

I'd suggest bringing it up with the Basketball WikiProject, then - y'all would have a better handle on discussing things like naming convention than I would. All I note is that CB Málagahas been a redirect to Baloncesto Málaga since 2012...so it makes sense to me that everything should be listed under the same name for convenience's sake. That said, if the user is acting unilaterally, and there's no consensus, then certainly that should be noted. (Edited to add that I'm starting to figure out a bit more about what's going on, and it's giving me a headache, so I have to put this aside for a bit until I've eaten. Gotta preserve that strength, you know...) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:23, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

New York, New York . . . it's a wonderful town

Hey, I've been following the Great Brooklyn/New York City/New York State Debate, and have almost chimed in a couple of times. For future reference, you may want to review WP:USPLACE, which governs the typical American convention of single, combined links for "City, State" (e.g., "Miami, Florida"). It may not resolve the Brooklyn vs. New York City issue (a judgment call, IMO), but it definitely rules out separate side-by-side links for city and state (e.g., "Miami, Florida"). Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:45, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Re: side-by-side links, it's usually only an issue when the city article doesnt have the state in it e.g. New Orleans. I'd code it up as "[[New Orleans, Louisiana]]", but I've seen people insist on "[[New Orleans]], Louisiana", or the anti-WP:NOTBROKEN / WP:NOPIPE crowd will anyways change it to "[[New Orleans|New Orleans, Louisiana]]". Anything but the SEAOFBLUE I just let it be at this point.—Bagumba (talk) 05:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Even for world-renowned American cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City and New Orleans, there exist redirects in the "City, State" combined, single-link format for exactly this reason. Whether it's piped or not is a big whatever; I've stopped worrying about it if the link is displayed in the proper format. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

breaking up city, state (or borough, state ;-) in this way is a real pet peeve for me. I wish MOS had stronger language around this. Does WP do any kind of user experience testing? I'd be interested to know how often readers click the "state" link on purpose. I'd bet it's few. Seems like the question a person is trying to answer (where is that place this person was born or this building is located?) would usually be answered by the city, state link. Rikster2 (talk) 11:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

As if on queue, this edit, a change to "[[New York City]], New York" I can just blow it off, but since we are on the topic, wondering if any of you feel the entire <state, city> should be just one link.—Bagumba (talk) 16:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I do. That was the point of my comment above. If it's linked in the article text, a link to "New York City" would be sufficient. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

There is only one link to New York City, it's just that the state isn't linked e.g. "New York City, New York" as opposed to (my preference) of including the state in the single link in "New York City, New York"—Bagumba (talk) 16:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I know. It's not just your preference; it's the de facto standard for American cities per WP:USPLACE. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm hesitant to cite USPLACE for how to refer to locations, when the guideline specifically uses the word titled. Perhaps the guideline needs tweaking to refer to references as well, making it Wikilawyer-proof. Otherwise, the argument would be that since New York City is the title, that is what should be linked directly and displayed.—Bagumba (talk) 17:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

We're beating this to death, and it can be argued. There are a handful of well-known American cities, like Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, etc., that do not need the state for disambiguation purposes. However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with including the state for those cities in the infobox links for consistency -- it's akin to an address, and it looks dorky and inconsistent to have "New York" following "Albany" for a linked place of birth, but not "New York" following "New York City" for a linked place of death in the same infobox. And this is why people go round and round, chasing their own tail on this, because they emphasize different aspects of the issue. As for mentions in article text (as opposed to infobox links), I would not link "New York, New York," but just "New York City". But then again, I am the all-knowing, all-seeing, master of time and space, and I understand all. Can't hold everyone else to that standard of cognition. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

It sounds like the two of us are consistent about how we encode them. I personally wouldn't go to battle on use of links with USSPACE as it is written. Probably wouldnt make a difference even if the guideline was written more explicitly (see WP:NOTBROKEN). I guess I'll follow what I do for NOTBROKEN and WP:NOPIPE: I won't unnecessarily do it, but will blow it off if someone changes it.—Bagumba (talk) 17:56, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Retired numbers

Honestly never thought people would confuse North Carolina for being the state that retired his number, but I guess it's possible for non-sports fans. I just figured its the North Carolina Tar Heels, not the University of North Carolina Tar Heels. At any rate, I'll leave it if you still think the extra distinction is needed in an infobox.—Bagumba (talk) 17:50, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I always add "University" if the academic common name is a state name. It's different to say it's retired by "Ohio State" or "Central Michigan" or "Duke." Just my opinion, but I feel strongly about it. I always try to keep an eye towards basketball being a world game, not just an American one. Rikster2 (talk) 17:52, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

True, but I'm also wary of non-American reading this and thinking that "University of ... " is the typical way to refer to it in a sports context, and then sounding like a fool in the US. For example, we only list "North Carolina" in the college field, but I guess you'd argue it's obvious they aren't attending a state for college. Oh well, I might not do it when I write it myself, but I'll try to remember to not undo it. BTW, you're still changing dashes to commas e.g. 1982–1983 -> 1982, 1983. LOL. It's all good.—Bagumba (talk) 18:06, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

well, there's still no consensus that the dash is right for a 2-year span, and there has been considerable discussion about 6- and 8-digit date ranges where people argue the dash indicates a split season in these cases . I don't agree with that, but I still don't agree the dash is the way to go for a 2-year span. I try not to change articles you track (UCLA, etc), but maybe I got confused. And yes, I would suggest that the name in the college field shows it's a U. Rikster2 (talk) 18:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

BTW, I haven't stayed away from "your" articles to hide what I am doing, I have just done it out of respect for your preferences. Rikster2 (talk) 18:15, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, I've given up on caring about the dash—some random IPs sometimes change a few here and there—and I might even start using commas one day. I've tried to stop stressing on written or perceived "consensus" if in practice, it really is not followed. As for the college field, it's pretty clearly written (somewhere) to use the name in the school's sports article's title, and it's the defacto practice even if it wasn't. I don't mind that CCC, but there's probably more important content to spend our time on. That being said, we're all volunteers, so I'm fine if that's what you want to pursue.—Bagumba (talk) 18:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I am usually in different moods to do different types of things on WP depending on the day. Some days I want to create content, sometimes it is converting or adding infoboxes, sometimes it is looking for missing info like high schools or birthdates, sometimes it's just taking a category and working each article in turn. As for the "University of" for retired numbers, I forgot another rationale - the infobox sometimes includes high school "all-state" or Mr. basketball honors, as well as state basketball HOFs. It felt like there were some circumstances where a state really is a state and that the college honor should be highlighted to be clear. This isn't something I do that often unless I run across it, but my next step is usually to check other articles with the highlight and achieve format consistency, even of only for a point in time. Rikster2 (talk) 18:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

It makes sense if it's needed for disambiguation, but I'd otherwise say to normally exclude the "U of ..." unless that how they are referred to in sports. (Which reminds me the highlights discussion is still outstanding on my part.)—Bagumba (talk) 18:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Not sure if this is what you are suggesting, but I'm not a fan of listing the same highlight one way for some players and another for others. Rikster2 (talk) 19:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

If it was up to me, I'd disambiguate on a page as needed. Kinda like I wouldn't refer in prose to "Los Angeles" alone if a player had player for both the Lakers and Clippers, but otherwise reference a team by just their location is OK when it's not ambiguous. If you're not convinced yet, we can just leave this as no consensus. Its minor.—Bagumba (talk) 19:07, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Another option is to move to "retired by North Carolina Tar Heels," Michigan Wolverines, Bradley Braves, etc. That is consistent with the naming convention of the programs. Rikster2 (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

And it would be consistent with existing pro entries that say "retired by Los Angeles Lakers".—Bagumba (talk) 20:29, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

High school

You jogged my memory when you brought up high school above. DaHuzyBru deleted HSs from Lamar Odom's infobox, saying only the last one is needed. Is that a direction we want to go? I don't care in the sense that nobody outside of their hometown recognizes the school anyways. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure a lot of articles list multiples—no idea if consistently.—Bagumba (talk) 18:54, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

To be honest, when I create articles I usually just include the last HS unless they did a year in prep school in addition to their local HS. But other people are really passionate about it. I think we give too much attention to these guys' HS careers anyway, but I guess recruiting has gotten pretty high profile. Rikster2 (talk) 18:57, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I delete those recruiting tables from bios. They're ok for college team season articles, but a waste of space in a bio for something that can be written in two sentences.—Bagumba (talk) 19:01, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for virtually single-handedly merging all the transclusions manually of Template:Infobox WNBA biography. —Bagumba (talk) 00:53, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Sweet Jesus. He deserves more than a barnstar for that. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:13, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

He can provide you his PayPal account details.—Bagumba (talk) 23:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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New Companies delsort category

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New Disability delsort category

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Ellenberger & Crowe

Thanks for adding the template updates for the Norm Ellenberger page. I was casting about trying to find the right one when you saved me the effort. I've also been meaning to contact you about the proper categories for the Ray Crowe article, but it got lost on the back burner. Appreciate the assists! Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 20:34, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Rikster2 (talk) 20:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

NY, NY v. NYC, NY

Saw your edit at KAJ. I don't entirely get "... is a nickname, not the city name". In my thinking, NY, NY is COMMONNAME when the state is mentioned. City in New York City is a form of real-life disambiguation because standalone New York refers to the state, unless it's understood by the context. AFAIK, if it's clear the city is being referred to, New York is fine, but otherwise New York City can be used. However, another form of disambiguation would be to just pair it with the state, New York, New York, which is also all I ever see with postal addresses. As it's clear that it is referring to the city, I don't think most (American?) people normally use New York City, New York, but with Wikipedia being the top search hit for all matters, maybe that's caused a circular change?

Wikipedians love using actual article names, and usually don't know when to drop natural disambiguators (e.g. too many links to quarterback sack instead of piping to plain sack when it's in a football article). Which can be understandable, because a writer may link to an article which they have no domain expertise in and can't tell a disambiguator from the common name (and didn't read the lead, or the lead is not clear). I've only visited NY, so maybe New Yorkers really use NYC, NY. IDK. Anyways, as a (presumably) long-time resident/citizen of the US, just interested in your take. Don't worry, I have no interest of opening this into a wider audience; the whole Brooklyn thing was like pulling teeth already.—Bagumba (talk) 19:15, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I am just not a fan of assumptions in the infobox, mainly because basketball articles usually are of interest internationally (unlike football and baseball IMO). I like that we don't use state abbreviations. I like that we don't use position abbreviations. I like that we don't assume people know the state that cities are in. Personally, I'd prefer we use fewer college abbreviations ("UCLA" or "BYU" are ok, but "UMKC" is something even many U.S. sportsfans don't easily recognize). I guess I just don't see a reason why we'd use the nickname only for NYC when every other city uses the full city name, state. Rikster2 (talk) 13:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I guess I wasn't effective in convincing you that "New York" is not a nickname, it's COMMONNAME, and we typically mention things by COMMONNAME. Oh well, it'd be a no brainer if the article was named New York (city). FWIW, the first bolded term in the New York City article is New York and not New York City, if that would convince you that City is just a natural disambiguator. Re: UMKC, is that a COMMONNAME issue, or just a bad marketing decision? Honestly, I wouldn't have know if that was the same as University of Missouri even if I did see the full name. Oh well. Even in California a lot of non-sports fans don't know that California is Berkeley's sports team. And if we didn't use common name, we'd have University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Tar Heels. Have a great Thanksgiving.—Bagumba (talk) 22:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

List of NCAA Division I men's basketball season 3-point field goal leaders

Do you know who led Division I in this stat during 2014–15? Jrcla2 (talk) 14:50, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Can search it here. Last year it was Tyler Harvey with 128. Rikster2 (talk) 14:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:27, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Greg Lee's brother Jon

Rikster2 - I believe you created the profile for Greg Lee. I'm trying to create one for his older brother Jon, but my novice attempts have so far been rejected. Any chance you could help me figure out the Wikipedia system?

mdelapa

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Merry Christmas, Rik

Wishing you a warm holiday for you and yours -- because, baby, it's cold outside . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks dl - to you as well Rikster2 (talk) 04:18, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Jeremy Kendle

For Jeremy Kendle, I left his "draft year" field blank because he only decided to not continue on with college in August 2012, two months after the 2012 draft. RealGM list 2013, and personally, I think that makes more sense. Or are you basing it on age? DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

It looked like he played 4 years of college ending his eligibility in 2012. If that isn't correct then he would have been eligible in 2013. Feel free to change it if I got it wrong. Rikster2 (talk) 14:27, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, he got two extra years of college eligibility [12], so he could have played in 2012–13 but chose not to. I went ahead and changed it to 2013. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 14:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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Reggie Hannah: notable (or not) ?

@Rikster2 and Jrcla2: In your estimation, is Reggie Hannah notable? I don't remember him, but Hannah was apparently caught in the post-Norm Sloan transition at Florida, and finished his college career at South Alabama. I know nothing of his European pro stints that are very briefly mentioned in the stub. When you have some time, please let me know what you think. No rush. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:58, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Slippery slope.

Many dead people have more than three associations. If we allow four teams for one player, why not ten songs for a singer or eight films for a director? There's something to be said for limits. If you insist, go ahead. But know that it's too long. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:21, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

As for why Portland and not Houston, completely arbitrary. No preference here. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:24, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Euroleague Final Four Team

That award was originally the league's equivalent of the All-Euroleague Team. Just like the Euroleague Final Four MVP was the league's original version of the Euroleague MVP award. It's not the same thing as just an all tournament team. As far as I know, things l;ike All-Euroleague Team or All-NBA Team are listed in infoboxes.Bluesangrel (talk) 22:55, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Where is that documented? Rikster2 (talk) 23:17, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Also, that still makes for an All-Star team from a 2-day tournament. The All-NBA teams and All-Euroleague teams cover a full season of play. That was the distinction.Rikster2 (talk) 23:25, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I am just saying that originally the MVP of the league and the all star 5 were those awards. They gave it to the best players of the best teams. Also, Euroleague Final Four is also a 3 day tournament, not 2 days, but you probably meant 2 games, as each team plays 2 games. Remember, that we are talking about two different competitions here. The old Euroleague that was owned by FIBA Europe (same competition, but a different owner), and the new Euroleague, that is owned by a private company called Euroleague Commercial Assets (again, same competition, but a different owner). It's not that the league changed the award system, it's that two different companies that owned it decided on their own awards system. Anyway, I will just add the awards into the article text somewhere if I can at some point when I have time.Bluesangrel (talk) 20:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Final Four cat

Maybe you can consider listifying Category:NCAA Men's Division I Final Four basketball players by year, even if the CfD does pass. You'll always run the risk of non-sports fans making some uninformed argument like equating the Final Four to a '"performance".—Bagumba (talk) 03:55, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

we'll see what happens and go from there. Rikster2 (talk) 05:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I could be wrong about the CfD, but closers generally won't use the letter of a guideline and overrule everyone else's interpretation, which everyone but you and me are consistently calling WP:PERFCAT. The exceptions are misinterpretation of policies like COPYVIO, NPOV, V.—Bagumba (talk) 03:12, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

"Everyone" is three people vs. our two. I certainly hope admins aren't so gullible as to delete a category based on a policy that explicitly doesn't include sports figures, when in fact hundreds of categories exist segmenting sports figures by competition. Rikster2 (talk) 03:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

It doesnt help that laymen don't get college basketball and think its a development league.—Bagumba (talk) 03:55, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Basketball highlights

Did you want to pick back up with Wikipedia:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Style advice/sandbox?—Bagumba (talk) 02:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I should have some time this week. Rikster2 (talk) 03:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Charlie Ward, etc.

@Rikster2, Bagumba, and Jrcla2: Please take a look at this: [13]. Apart from the fact that I hate double infoboxes, they are usually redundant and unnecessary. I would have deleted the CFB infobox, and moved the list of CFB awards to the appropriate section of main body text, but this seems to be in the basketball wheelhouse. This editor also seems to be adding a lot of redundant material to other articles which bears review. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:20, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I think for two-sport athletes we should pick one sport and use that infobox. For Ward, I would say it's basketball as that is where his professional career was. For people like Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders we need to make a call (Sanders clearly football, Jackson probably needs discussion). Double info boxes are redundant and look crappy. Also, this one is especially bad because it repeats the same photo. Rikster2 (talk) 12:38, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Agreed on all points. I'm also not thrilled with this new "embed" function that is being added by template editors, where a second infobox may be added within the first infobox. It usually looks like hell, and the typical crufters usually include duplicate names, DOB, POB, etc., making it even worse. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:48, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Agree with DL. Thank you for removing the redundant infobox in Ward's article. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:27, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

It's too bad we don't have an elegant way to say he was a college quarterback in the basketball infobox. It's also interesting that he's arguably more famous as a college football player than a pro basketball player, but he doesn't have any basketball "highlights" to list (doesnt even seem to have been All-ACC in college). In general, infoboxes aren't currently very good for athletes who are notable outside of their pro sport.—Bagumba (talk) 03:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Positions

Saw your comment at Talk:Magic_Johnson#Position about listing him as a PG only, which I agree. I assume you'd list Michael Jordan as only a SG too?—Bagumba (talk) 21:25, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

That would make sense to me. Rikster2 (talk) 21:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I just hope fanboy doesn't come and "correct" these. I was wondering what we do for active players. Like Kobe Bryant is an SF this year, and I'm surprised nobody has added it. I'd be ok with listing it now, because it applies currently, but would drop it once he retires.—Bagumba (talk) 21:32, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Hamden Bics players

I recently created Category:Hamden Bics players. I don't have any old CBA media guides like you to see who is on that team's all-time roster, would you mind populating that a little? Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Totally unrelated, but I saw that you removed "HS" from Mike Bytzura's article. I'm ok with the edit. I think you can imagine that I included it because those not-in-the-know might think it meant Duquesne University (like how there needs to be a "Marquette University HS" differentiator on Frank Zummach). Jrcla2 (talk) 01:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, but the HS didn't have the word "University" in it so I didn't think it was needed (Bytzura also didn't go to Duquesne for college so there'd be no confusion there either). If you feel strongly about it you can re-add "HS" Rikster2 (talk) 01:26, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Nah I don't feel very strongly about it, I'm just sort of crossing my fingers that in the future people will understand it was a high school. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:12, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I populated the category. I saw a few cases where info boxes read "Hazelton Bits" instead, but that franchise name only existed for the 1971-72 season. Any other year it had to be a different name. Rikster2 (talk) 15:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Changes ( personal & career information)

Hey This is Mike glover I'm looking at the bio there are some changes that needs to be made ASAP. My birthday is September 1st 1987. Not January 9th. My high school was American Christian school (Aston, PA) not sterling thank you. Mikegloverbasketball (talk) 04:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Rikster2 Mikegloverbasketball (talk) 04:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Trevon Bluiett

I have created the article on Trevon Bluiett. Feel free to add to it, as it is fairly short. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 15:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Justin Sears

I am currently working on expanding the Justin Sears article, and I came across an issue. Sears played high school basketball for Plainfield High School but officially attended the Academy for Informational Technology for academics. What should I put for the infobox? Dictator313 (talk) 23:13, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Looks like you figured it out. I assume he was at Plainfield first? If so they are in the right order. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 02:08, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

@Rikster2: He never attended Plainfield; he only played sports for them. His real school was the Academy for Informational Technology. Dictator313 (talk) 17:37, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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The heat did announce that Waiters signed with them. So I don't see the problem here. Mutiger12h (talk) 01:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Suggestions for research

Hey, these former NBA players played in Italy during their pro careers:

• Adrian Dantley
• Rick Mahorn
• Darryl Dawkins
• Bob McAdoo
• Mark Hughes (basketball)
• Alex English
• Reggie Theus
• Darren Daye
• Dave Corzine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C478:5C90:C423:3C51:B2D0:218B (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Rony Seikaly

Rikster, on the Rony Seikaly article here, for some reason over the months and years, whenever sources and edits are put into his article about his time in Greece, and anything related to his training with the Greek national team, or his application for Greek citizenship, those edits and sources get removed by various editors. You are not the one doing it, but as a question for you, is there a justified reason for why this keeps being done? For example, there were some reports recently that Seikaly has Greek citizenship and that he did many years ago, but he was already in Team USA so then that eliminated his eligibility to play for Greece under their sports law. I don't have any official sources for that, because they did not provide them. They would only normally do that in a detailed article just about that subject. That's why I never edited him as having Greek citizenship, because even though he evidently does, I don't know it for a fact myself. Anyway, the point is, it seems anything mentioning he was ever connected to Greece, even when it has backed up sources from major media seems to get removed, or the sources get removed, making it seem like it's not back up by anything other than Wikipedia editors. I don't understand this, when clearly the man himself stated many times he was raised in Greece and he maintained a home there and spent every summer their even during his NBA career. There was even an NBA documentary done explaining it, and where he even said Greece was his home country. There is a small clip of it on YouTube even, that you could see here ---> RONY SEIKALY NBA Miami Heat in Hellas (Greece). I added an English source, and re-added the info and also re-added the Greek sources that keep being removed. Do I need to also add the YouTube clip of the documentary the NBA did (even though it is the Greek version)? I don't understand why true and correct and factually sourced from major Greek media edits that have anything to do with his time in Greece, are considered controversial for his article, when he was raised in Greece. Do you have any thoughts on this?Bluesangrel (talk) 19:14, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Nova articles

Sure, I can create a few. I am very busy as of late, so I won't do that until after the championship game. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 01:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Antetokounmpo

Look, I re-added the cats because I was sick of discussing it with User:Molosionis. However, that user did originally cite Antetokounmpo's NBA.com bio when adding Nigerian to the infobox nationality field. The bio states "has dual citizenship", so that contradicts what the article's "Personal life" section is saying – I honestly hadn't seen the personal life section until you pointed it out in your edit summary. If you see the article's edit history, I reverted the user originally purely because they were edit warring, but once they tried to discuss it with me, I lost interest. You can take over now if the user in question comes back and re-adds those cats. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

He has no citizenship with Nigeria. He has said so many times in Greek media, and the citizenship he has with Greece is full and not a passport, and that of a non Greek diaspora, so he thus has never had any citizenship with Nigeria. NBA.com source is simply wrong, and probably copy and pasted from somewhere. On citizenship, the site should have things correct. It's perfectly fine to say he is of Nigerian heritage, because he is. But the article should not imply or outright state he has Nigerian citizenship, when he does not. In fact, I believe there was even an article in Greek official media stating his parents, Thanasis, and his younger brothers have Greek / American citizenship. Not Greek / Nigerian citizenship.Bluesangrel (talk) 01:06, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Villanova navbox

OK, what's your criteria for who's notable and who isn't? (You deleted some and added redlinks for others) Tom Danson (talk) 04:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I linked all the guys who played in the game, assuming they might meet WP:GNG. If you look at literally any of the 75+ national champ templates, it's not meant to show the whole team, only the guys notable enough to have an article. Rikster2 (talk) 04:12, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Are you freakin' kidding me

Category:American centers (basketball). It's shit like this that makes me want to quit Wikipedia. Why does a basketball position need to be subcategorized by nationality? That has nothing to do with the sport! Jrcla2 (talk) 04:11, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it's bullshit. It should be CfD'd. Sorry, not in a great mood right now. Rikster2 (talk) 04:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I can imagine. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:26, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

This has been CfD. You should comment there. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

WP:NCOLLATH

I made a new proposal at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Proposed replacement for WP:NCOLLATH and based on the earlier discussion we were all having I wanted to put it on your radar.RonSigPi (talk) 03:16, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Joe Harris's page

He is a free agent, meaning that he doesn't have a TEAM, not a LEAGUE. He's still part of the NBA, he's currently just not part of a team. Kalope (talk) 17:34, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Actually, no he isn't a part of the NBA. He is affiliated with no team and his next move could just as easily be the NBDL or another country. Rikster2 (talk) 17:35, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

But until it's official that he will be sent to the Developmental League or go to another country, he's still part of the NBA. Kalope (talk) 18:27, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

No, he's a free agent. He is not a part of the NBA. The Magic released him so he's a former NBA player until he signs with someone. Trust me, even Lamarcus Aldridge's article didn't have a league until he signed with San Antonio and there was 100% chance he would sign with an NBA team. Free agents don't have a current league listed. Rikster2 (talk) 19:36, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Hopefully he'll sign with a team soon. Kalope (talk) 20:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Being rude; Joe Harris' page

Don't be disrespectful towards other editors when editing pages. Saying "obvious, he's a male" is not a way to communicate. It was in the article, but you can edit it out without being rude. Kalope (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't meaning to be rude, people do that sort of thing all the time and I was just trying to put the logic of why I did what I did (because some folks might wonder why I did it). I'm sorry if it came across that way. Rikster2 (talk) 19:34, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

It's alright, I do really appreciate your help with his page. Thank you so much. Kalope (talk) 20:42, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Joe Harris

Yeah, I'm a Cleveland Cavaliers fan, lately I've been only editing his and Matthew Dellavedova's page, but I usually edit other pages. I was devastated when I found out that the managers of the Cavaliers let Joe go. He's a very talented player, and a future champion, that's a huge loss for them. But I saw that his page could use some editing and decided to add some informations and cite them. That's really cool that you took the picture, though. Kalope (talk) 00:11, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Anthony Anderson FA nomination

I have nominated the Anthony Anderson (basketball) article to possibly have it be promoted to a featured article. Could you please leave some comments on areas that you would want to fix so that it meets the FA criteria? If so, add your opinion on the article on the nomination page. TempleM (talk) 00:01, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

NBA D-League team articles

Hey Rik. Do you have anymore to say on the topic you started at Intruder007's talk page? I began moving past D-League team name articles and have come across some who have challenged the redirect of Bakersfield Jam to Northern Arizona Suns. DaHuzyBru (talk) 12:53, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Mustafa Alsayyad

I don't know where to begin with this one to clean it up. Should this be deleted anyway? Jrcla2 (talk) 03:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Let's see how the PROD goes. Is that the same guy as this though (from "Fresno States")? Rikster2 (talk) 21:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Looks like it! Jrcla2 (talk) 01:52, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Pro Basketball Player Positions

What is going on? I'm following the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association#Generic_guards_and_forwards talk going on and have been editing articles to refelct the fact that we're using specific positions and Bagumba protects the articles as part of vandalism.Banan14kab (talk) 21:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

if you are changing from showing 2 specific positions (SG/PG) to one generic one (G) then you are not following that consensus discussion. What that discussion says (so far, it isn't over) is that we use specific position names unless there are three positions (sF/PF/C) Rikster2 (talk) 23:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

I've been editing players who had generic positions to both of the specific positions they play. For example you can see the edits I made to Allen Iverson's article before Bagumba protected it. Banan14kab (talk) 03:22, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Iverson has been protected since 2015, so I'm really not sure what you are referring to.—Bagumba (talk) 04:40, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Well obviously there's levels of protection on Wikipedia. I'm guessing the article was either not fully protected or it may have expired since I edited it yesterday, May 16. You can even see in the article's log when I last edited it. Also you can compare edits to see that I edited Iverson's infobox position to include the specific guard positions Iverson played. After this I saw a small error that I was going to fix and that is when I noticed Bagumba fully protected the article form being edited. When I clicked edit this appeared: "17:24, 28 May 2015 Bagumba (talk | contribs) protected Allen Iverson ‎‎[edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 17:24, 28 May 2016 (UTC)) (Persistent vandalism) (hist)". The same notice appeared on other player's articles that I edited that same day.Banan14kab (talk) 19:35, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Kobe's position

Can you comment at Talk:Kobe_Bryant#Position regarding listing him at SF?—Bagumba (talk) 01:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

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Draymond's All-NBA

Saw your edit to move All-NBA before All-Star. Is this a one-off exception, or did you intend to change it for all players?—Bagumba (talk) 23:04, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I change it when I am making other edits. I guess it's open for discussion, though. My take was that significance was how awards were ordered vs. chronology - am I wrong? Rikster2 (talk) 23:07, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

All-Star is currently recommended to be after All-NBA at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Style advice, and that seems to have been the way it was generally done even before that writeup. FWIW, I'd guess that All-Star is more prominently mentioned in reliable sources than All-NBA, though I'm guessing you think it's objectively less significant because of the fan-vote element. James Worthy's HOF bio mentions All-Star but not All-NBA. Knowing how drive-by editors work when they see inconsistencies, I'm not sure if anything other than a mass change would work without constant reverts.—Bagumba (talk) 23:28, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

It's more significant because only 15 players per year gain All-NBA designation at the conclusion of the season (and no fan voting) while 24 players get All-Star recognition in the middle of the season. But it's fine, I don't need to change it. Rikster2 (talk) 00:04, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Georgios Papagiannis article

He Rikster, are you able to semi-protect articles? At the Georgios Papagiannis article a couple of IP addresses keep removing the first pro club team that he played for (Peristeri), and removing the first two seasons of basketball he was playing in Greece's top league. At his official Greek League profile it lists it right there [14] just click on the career stats & achievements tab. It also has it right at draftexpress.com's website [15] This is also sourced within the article itself. But despite that the IP addresses keep removing it. I tried talking to them about it, and asked them to not remove it, but they came back the next day and removed it again, which is now 3 times in the last 2 days that they removed it. So I think the article needs to be semi-protected, because I don't want to get into an edit war over that. If you can't semi-protect the article, sorry for bothering you, but could you please tell me a good mod to ask about it then. Thanks.Bluesangrel (talk) 15:51, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

No, I cannot protect articles. Ask User:Bagumba. Rikster2 (talk) 22:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

2015 NBL Canada Finals brawl FA review

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College Basketball RM

Could you consider commenting at at Talk:NCAA_Men's_Division_I_Basketball_Championship#Requested_move_21_June_2016 regarding the move request of NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship → NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 21:31, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Poeltl height

My bad. I didn't see your previous edit. It's just the recent Raptors press release states "Poeltl, 7-foot, 248 pounds" [16]. DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:39, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Papagiannis's height and weight listing at NBA isn't correct

I know that is his "official height and weight", but according to numerous reports his draft workout officially measured him at 7-2 and weighed him at 265. So I am pretty sure that listing is wrong, which is typical of what nba.com editors do for European players. Then they don't bother to fix it until the next year, and then claim the player "grew" and "gained weight".Bluesangrel (talk) 16:43, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

what matters is how the team lists them. If the team adjusts it then it changes on the article. There is wide variation on player heights/weights over their career. Rikster2 (talk) 16:45, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

I know, but obviously they just copied what draftexpress used to list before he was measured by the NBA. I know you guys go by a rule whatever the team lists, but it's obviously an incorrect listing. This is why I think the listings are such a problem. draftexpress said they officialy measured and weighed Nikola Milutinov in NBA pre draft at 7-0 255, but nba listed him at 225. And this is interesting, because during Greek finals, Papagiannis and Milutinov played each other, and Papagiannis must have had at least 3 inches and 30 pounds on Milutinov. I mean, if anything, Papagiannis probably weighs about 285, and if you see him in a game you could see how enormous he is. He's absolutely gigantic. The 240 weight is one of the most laughable listings of all time in NBA. That's all. I am just pointing out how ridiculous these listings can be, and that we need a better site policy here on it. Because they are off by like at least 40 pounds, if not more on that listing, like they did not even try to make it even reasonable or feasible. Anyone that sees Papagiannis enter a game is going to laugh at that listing. Bluesangrel (talk) 17:03, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

On another note, Rik, I see you asked on Zach Auguste's article if there is any source for him having more than one nationality besides American. I don't know about the Haitian one, but his father is Haitian, so depending on how their laws work, that could certainly be true. As far as Greek nationality goes, his mother is Greek and has Greek citizenship, so therefore, at the time of his birth he was granted natural born Greek birth right full citizenship. The way the law is, if you were born outside Greece though, then you have to physically enter into Greece and you have to register yourself as a citizen in the court district where your Greek parents or grandparents came from. Upon doing that, you officially get registered, and get a passport. Greek basketball federation gave an interview awhile back where they said he already filed the paperwork and already got his full Greek citizenship approved. They said all he needs to do then is come to Greece, to his court district, and he will get on the citizen rolls and get his passport. Then they said that Auguste told them he will come to Greece to collect his passport after NBA summer league is over. So, probably you will have edits to his page soon that he has Greek nationality, and they will be correct. For example, he was already registered in Greek national team program, as non naturalized. Hope that helps.Bluesangrel (talk) 17:03, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

I get it, but the field is "listed height." His current team lists his height (and weight) as it stands on the article now. It doesn't matter if it is "incorrect." They will probably post a new height/weight closer to the season start As for Auguste, his nationality needs to be sourced. Having a parent from a certain country doesn't necessarily mean he holds citizenship from that country. Usually what matters is national team representation or citizenship used to play outside home country. Rikster2 (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Minnesota Muskies seasons

I'm conflicted about whether to categorize 1967–68 Minnesota Muskies season in Category:Minnesota Muskies seasons (because "Category:Minnesota Muskies" exists) or to file it under Category:Miami Floridians seasons (since the franchise did move to Miami and it would technically be correct, a la Category:Pittsburgh Condors seasons with the name changes). Thoughts? Jrcla2 (talk) 14:56, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I would just do Miami Floridians seasons. That is the preferred way with NBA teams - see the 76ers and Kings. Rikster2 (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

2016 McDonald's All-American Boys Game images

I see you are among the leading editors at Josh Jackson (basketball), Malik Monk. Would you consider helping me determine which images to use in the 2016 McDonald's All-American Boys Game by commenting at Talk:2016_McDonald's_All-American_Boys_Game#Image_voting.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:44, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for help to break the log jams.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello!

I just have one quick question regarding the copyright rules of Wikipedia. I noticed that you asked for my edit to be deleted due to a picture's non use policy, how can I add pictures without them becoming deleted? Thanks a bunch, Jake — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakemindel (talk • contribs) 18:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Re:CPOY articles

Yeah, I'll try to work on a few player of the year bios. I've been sorta busy but worst case scenario I'll have them done by the end of August. Another good goal would be to have an article for every DI coach. I know there are a few that don't have one. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 01:07, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it feels like coach articles should also be an annual push. I recently created Martin Inglesby of Delaware but there are a dozen or so coaches with no articles. Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 16:06, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Parent categories

Oh, yes - I fully intend to. I hope to finish the bronze medalist recategorization today, and then I'll do an AWB pass through all silver and bronze medalists and remove the categories from both at once. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:19, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Yeah - I just figured it's a bit easier this way, kill two birds with one stone. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:21, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

FYI, I've created Category:Olympic bronze medalists for the United States in basketball. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:39, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Country in team history

If you're going to do mass removal of countries in the infobox[17], I'd suggest removing it from the documention at Template:Infobox basketball biography/doc too.—Bagumba (talk) 01:19, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Done. It probably shouldn't have ever been in there because there was never actually a consensus to include them. Rikster2 (talk) 01:25, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

CCC, and I don't care much either way, but it was previously at Template_talk:Infobox_basketball_biography/Archive_2#How_to_list_non-NBA_teams.3F_Should_non-NBA_teams_have_their_leagues_listed.3F.—Bagumba (talk) 01:27, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

It has been debated several times since with no clear consensus. That was a very weak consensus IMO. Rikster2 (talk) 01:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps, but it's about as many votes in a discussion as one could expect in this project.—Bagumba (talk) 01:30, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

But I agree, if people to agree to one thing in discussion but most people don't follow it, there's no point in shoving it down people's throats further.—Bagumba (talk) 01:32, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

If you want to get technical, it appears the decision was actually not to use parenthesis but to use columns instead. Are we to pick and choose which consensus to follow? Rikster2 (talk) 01:33, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Columns was a nice to have, and was done for later years and columns. It'd get too crowded for smaller screens to have column for country. And I'm sure you don't intend to wikilawyer for the hell of it.—Bagumba (talk) 01:39, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Not at all. I am actually in a pretty anti-Wikibeuracracy mood these days. The Olympic roster BS, the 2016-17 season article AfDs, this place gets ridiculous and I go through cycles where I just have no patience for it. 01:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, it sucks sometimes. You can move on to a non-controversial area needing improvement; there's lots of those. For whatever reason, some trivial things just become lightning rods, and other things nobody gives a damn about. Go figure.—Bagumba (talk) 01:48, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Yep. I am updating numbers right now. Rikster2 (talk) 01:52, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of James Lee (basketball) for deletion

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