GWFrog
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Latest comment: 2 years ago by Barefoot through the chollas in topic SIUE was not established in 1957
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| I just want to take a moment to thank you for all of the work you have been putting into the Southern Illinois University Edwardsville page. I hope I didn't upset you with the whole SIUe/SIUE thing. I just had some internal experience with it and I wanted to set the record straight. Keep up the good work! I plan on going out and taking a lot of new pictures this spring/summer to add to the article. Maybe one day it will even be good enough to be a featured article! Illinois2011 (talk) 23:16, 7 February 2012 (UTC) |
- No worries! Illinois2011 (talk) 02:28, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this past month! 66.87.2.96 (talk) 20:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
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SIUE was not established in 1957 edit
GW, I see you're an SIUE grad. So am I. I'm not going to engage in an editing war, but since "SIUE was established in 1957" is false, it does require revision. I'd be glad to work with you to arrive at acceptable wording that corresponds to the actual history. Cheers. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 00:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Out of nowhere, you jump up making a wild claim without support for your position. The school was legally established in 1957. This is historical fact dating from the purchase of the Alton and East St. Louis centers. GWFrog (talk) 06:00, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Whoa, there, Silver! Chill. Has nothing to do with my, your or anyone's "position". Has to do with factual accuracy. You said it yourself: East St Louis and Shurtleff campus. The potted history further down in the article seems pretty accurate, and there's no statement that Edwardsville enters into the Metro-East expansion of SIU in 1957. The History section reports that what would eventually become SIUE began in 1957 as SIU Residential Centers in Alton and East St. Louis, the Edwardsville land wasn't purchased until 1960. Etc. The actual founding date of SIUE is probably 1959 or 1960, but it's not at all clear in the article (nor SIUE's own History web page), thus the wording I provided, basic facts for the lead: "The organizational foundations for what would be SIUE as an extension of Southern Illinois University Carbondale were established in 1957". If someone comes forth with detailed verifiable facts -- for example, the date of the meeting when or of the public announcement that Edwardsville was decided upon as location and part of the name -- that could be cited as the date of establishing SIUE. As things stand now in the text, 1957 works reasonably well for the two initial SIU Residential Centers, but not for SIUE. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 14:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- There are any number of colleges and universities whose stated date of founding for what became the current institution was under a different name and/or at a different location and/or as a different type of institution. GWFrog (talk) 20:34, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- First off, a Captain Obvious observation: goofs in one article don't justify adopting goofs in another article. That aside, there's no set formula. In many cases it's not difficult to state changes honestly and accurately in the lead. The simplest might go something like this with regard to founding and name change: X University is a private university in Collegetown, Illinois, founded in 18xx as X College. The present Carthage College has undergone so many moves and name changes that foundation is wisely kept out of the lead (Carthage College is a private liberal arts college affiliated with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and located in Kenosha, Wisconsin), saving elaboration of the moves and name changes for the body of the article, under History. There are various ways to word the case of SIUE in the lead, but what doesn't work because it's not true is the unqualified statement SIUE was established in 1957. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 22:29, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- How about, "The beginnings of SIUE were established in 1957..."? GWFrog (talk) 19:28, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's the spirit of it, yes. Glad to see we're coming together on this. Super busy today, but I'll continue to mull this over, and assuming that something about establishment date is useful in the lead (I confess to rising doubts), we should be able to come up with some appropriate text. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 13:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)