User talk:Jweiss11/Archives/2015

Year

Please see this and let me know what you think. Jsharpminor (talk) 03:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Hyphens and emdashes

Thanks for nominating my categories for speedy. Also, en-dashes? And I thought I knew my dashes and hyphens. Apparently not! Jsharpminor (talk) 04:22, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Question

I notice you like to put categories in alphabetical order. Just out of curiosity why don't you put "Living People" alphabetically?--Yankees10 18:21, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I think I got you confused with another editor. Nevermind!--Yankees10 19:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Your input is requested

I know you have commented on the WP:CFB talk page about my proposal to move some of some of the college football season pages. I would like to see what your opinion on the requested move on Talk:1973 college football season & Talk:1977 college football season. Thanks-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:29, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages

Hi -- I thought it might be easier to discuss this here rather than in edit comments... .

There's an aspect to how dab pages should be constructed that sometimes gets overlooked: although most people get that they're not articles, they may miss that no, really: they're not articles. They don't exist to have content; they exist to route you to where the content you want lives.

As such, adding material makes for more stuff to wade through to find the content you want. And since we don't know who "you" are, that means we don't know which entry you want. We just know that usually, all the other entries are ones you don't want, and the wordier the entries you don't want are, the harder it is for you to spot the one you do want.

I mentioned MOS:DABENTRY; Here is the relevant part in its entirety:

Keep the description associated with a link to a minimum, just sufficient to allow the reader to find the correct link. In many cases, the title of the article alone will be sufficient and no additional description is necessary. (emphasis mine)

Usually, the disambiguating term for a page name is designed to uniquely define it. Sometimes, additional distinguishment or explanation is needed, but a "perfect" dab page would have just the page names, and their disambiguating terms would be sufficient.

Given that, an entry like

• Rose Bowl (cricket ground), cricket ground in West End, Hampshire, England

...has a lot of extraneous material. "Cricket ground" is repeated, so that obviously can go. But also, there are no other cricket grounds on the page, so explaining that it's in West End, Hampshire England isn't necessary, so really is just adding clutter. If I've come to the page looking to find a cricket ground named "Rose Bowl", my search is over even without knowing the part of Hampshire it's located in. If I'm not looking for a cricket ground, that's just more words for me to plow through.

Wikipedia guidelines are that dab pages are best served by being as sparse as we can make them while still directing people to the proper content pages.

Hope this helps --NapoliRoma (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Dumb question

JW, do you happen to know what what percentage smaller the text used in Infobox college coach is compared to regular article text? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:20, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Not a dumb question and one I do not know the answer to. I thought simply looking at the code for the template would reveal the answer, but it seems to be buried in more fundamental, underlying templates. Perhaps check with someone like User:Frietjes? Jweiss11 (talk) 23:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

One of the reasons why the infoboxes for CFB and NFL players are too wide is that they use the same size type font as main body text. As part of the redesign of the CFB player infobox, I want to reduce the font size, say split the difference between the font size for the college coach infobox and main body text. I've already invited Frietjes to get involved; I may invite another template editor or wiki-coder to get involved, too. I want significantly upgrade the graphics, too, starting with a more sophisticated use of color; instead of the plain color bars, I want something that looks more like a college stripe at the top, and something that looks more like the graphics for the CFB navboxes for the subsidiary section headers. I also want the primary and section headers reversed out in white for legibility.

FYI, I'm also laying the groundwork to revamp the NFL player infobox, too. It's too damn big, with too many options, and in practice it's often longer than the text for many articles. I want to tackle the CFB player infobox first, though. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:25, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Have you ever heard of Winsipedia?

I have posted a question on the WP:CFB page about this but I trust your opinion as a regular CFB editor, so I decided to come to the horse's mouth? What do you think of these edits? [1] [2] [3] Thanks,-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

UCO2009bluejay, thanks for the message. Are we talking about Winsipedia or those edits? I'm not too familiar with Winsipedia, but I feel like I've surfed by it once or twice before. Those navboxes edits are not good and they've been rightly reverted. The place to take about what is a national championship, what's a consensus national championship, and what needs to be noted where and how should be discussed at WP:CFB or Talk:College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:09, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Okay, now I see where Winsipedia is mentioned in those edit summaries. The site has some interesting graphics, but it appears to have a superficial level of information. It's certainly no authority on national championships. Compare their list of national championships to the level of detail and explanation found here on Wikipedia. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:28, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

That is exactly what I thought, and attempted to explain to this editor. He/She was adamant that this was "the best source for college football." Well it doesn't compare to even Wikipedia in the amount of CFB coverage, I would go by what the schools claim, the NCAA, and the CFBDW, all of these we use on a regular basis.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:17, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, the Internets are full of people with people with wack, provincial, and outright delusional opinions about things. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Niagara

Actually, the team disbanded for the last time in 1987. They had disbanded in 1950, but they came back in 1967, playing for 20 more years. I actually didn't know about that until about an hour ago, due to this website: http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/incomplete_data/year_by_year_discontinued.php?teamid=2253 Wikidude10000 (talk) 07:24, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I just saw your edits to Niagara Purple Eagles. Thanks for that. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:25, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Seems that Niagara was a club team as of 1985: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19850918&id=kVwxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xW4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=7182,4535530. Jweiss11 (talk) 09:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Why do we need a revamped CFB player infobox?

Here's the perfect example: Denton Fox. Played three years for Texas Tech, first-team All-SWC, first-team All-American by the Football Writers (major selector). Drafted by the Cowboys, but never played in a regular season game in the NFL. This article uses the NFL player infobox, which emphasizes his non-existent NFL career (draft info, list of three NFL preseason/practice squads, NFL non-debut and final year), at the expense of his notable college career. Too many articles about great college football players are using inappropriate pro football infoboxes, which emphasize the wrong data about CFB players. When the pending TfD closes, let's push the new infobox to completion -- and into general use. It's long overdue. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Isn't it time that TfD is closed already? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:41, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Plastikspork closes 75% or more of all TfDs, and he hasn't edited since December 19. The TfD has been open since December 14 -- 28 days ago. No one has commented since December 31 -- 11 days ago. The !vote count has stood at 7 opposed to the merge vs. 3 for the merge for eleven days. I obviously want to move on the revamped infobox. If no administrator closes it in the next day or so, I will request a close at AN. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Administrator Martijn Hoekstra closed the TfD this morning after I requested that he look at it. I've pinged all of the WP:CFB participants who I believe are still actively editing on their talk pages. So far, we've gotten responses from about half of two dozen or so. I would be grateful if you would ping the rest on their talk pages -- we really should get feedback from guys like Patriarca, Crazy Paco and Cbl62 (I'll get you a list of everyone I've pinged so far). Like we did with the CFB and CBB coach navboxes, it's important that we get everyone to buy in; it makes implementation and consistent use a lot easier.

FYI, here's some more of Andy's handiwork: User talk:WikiOriginal-9#TfD: screwed-up merge of Template:Infobox Arena Football player, etc. He really has no clue what he's doing with these sports templates, or how they're supposed to be used, but he's clearly convinced that the more related infoboxes he can merge into massive, all-in-one templates, the better. We really need to start paying more attention to TfD, and checking the list every other day or so. I've watch-listed all of what I believe are the relevant sports templates, but Andy flatly refuses to notify the concerned WikiProjects and major template contributors. In some cases, the original template creators have not edited in several years, so we can't rely on getting notice of TfDs that way. A partial solution is we need to get our own house in better order with writing better template documentation and instructions for Infobox college football player, Infobox NFL player, and Infobox gridiron football person, making it perfectly clear under what circumstances each of them is supposed to be used.

There's also a lot of football player infobox clean-up work lurking out there. There are something like 520 former AFL/NFL bios that still use Infobox pro football player (tailored for the old AFL guys), and those will require manual replacement by editors who are familiar with the AFL-NFL merge history, etc. When Andy started the latest TfD, I also did a quick survey of 100 random transclusions of Infobox gridiron football person: about half were CFL players, about 35 to 40% were old-time NFL players, coaches and administrators who were never converted to Infobox NFL player; and another 10 to 15% were notable old-time college players who never played pro football. There are currently about 7,600 transclusions of the "gridiron" infobox, and about half of them need to be replaced. Once we get the CFB player infobox revamped, I suggest we start replacing the infoboxes for the old-time CFB players (including a lot of old-time All-Americans). Given the numbers, we can't do this by ourselves. Cake and WO-9 should be a lot of help in this, once we give them a nice, new, clean template to work with. Plenty of work for everyone. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

JW, I'm going to be out of pocket for most of the next couple of days, with only limited availability to edit or respond. I've got outstanding requests for comment on the revised infobox template from the following editors who have not yet responded: Dale Arnett, ZappaOMati, Jrcla2, Billcasey905, Crazypaco, Purplebackpack89, Patriarca12, Cbl62, AllisonFoley, UteInDC, Go Phightins!, GrapedApe. If you could nudge them with a reminder ping, I would be grateful, and do what you can to keep an eye on the Sandbox talk page discussion and answer anything that needs to be answered. Also, is there anyone else we should personally invite to comment? If so, please feel free to do so.

You may want to take a look at the ideas for the revamped infobox graphics and design here: User:Dirtlawyer1/sandbox3; I'm waiting on Frietjes to react and provide a feasibility assessment of upgraded design. If she needs help, we can invite another template editor/wiki-coder to assist. Is there are a template editor with whom you have a working relationship?

Now that the TfD is closed, we need to do what we can to get this moving. I think we can have a consensus on what parameters to include by the end of next week. Cake has raised a good question regarding the presentation of nicknames for old-time CFB players, and I think we need to figure out the best way to deal with it (top of the infobox? infobox parameter? separate statement in the first sentence? redirect?). Anyway, that's all I've got for now. I should have full-time access again by the end of the week. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Random

Have you seen this (encyclopediadramatica.se/Jweiss11) lol. Link is blacklisted. It was in the Wikipedia category. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 01:19, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I had not seen that. Quite the hagiography there. There best part is the Star of David superscripted after my name. I'm going to start signing checks and credit card receipts with that. By the way, been meaning to ask, is your user named a reference to Sons of Anarchy? Jweiss11 (talk) 01:58, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

No, what is the connection though. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:44, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Nvm, ref is Redwood Original 9. I would ask you if you were going to edit the ed page but that site and uncyclopedia seem to be have a smaller hardcore following and you have to make an account to edit. The recent changes is smaller so if you edit anything to make it unfunnier it will probably be reverted lol. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:52, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

No, I don't plan on editing on that site and getting involved in that nonsense. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:58, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

A wise move. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 03:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm honored to have been lampooned. I must be famous. Now where's that fame money? Jweiss11 (talk) 03:13, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

You must have just made someone mad lol. Also, in the edit summary I'm not making fun of the misspelling. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 04:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC

I think this is our guy: User talk:Jweiss11/Archives/2012#Edit-warring. I exchanged private emails with him. He was trying to claim that the NCAA governed national football titles going back to the 1930s and 1940s. This is, of course, false. Dude was in the Army. Nice way to represent the US. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Nice, Weiss. You've been immortalized. BTW, how is your sister? LOL And, yes, I did check to see if there was an entry under my username. Unfortunately, I have not made any EncyclopediaDramatica friends, and I am not notable. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:41, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

My sister is well and still female, as always. I heard there was an article for you, but it got AfD'd after a heated discussion determined that you're a non-notable, run-of-the-mill Wikipedia editor who's never won a major award and never garnered more than routine, passing attention from psychos on the Internet. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:46, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

That's me: Mr. Routine Coverage. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

You're like the Susan Lucci of Wikipedia editors. Always a bridesmaid. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Cleveland, Ohio

Whatever the case may be, the article name is still not 'Cleveland, Ohio' but simply Cleveland, and both Cleveland and Ohio are obviously distinctly different. One is a state and one is a city in that state, and both warrant links in an article -- especially about a player at the Ohio State University. It isn't inaccurate or fundamentally incorrect to list them separately (especially seeing as both city and state are part of the infobox and both have significant articles of their own)Ryecatcher773 (talk) 04:46, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

• @Ryecatcher: The common practice is to format American cities and states as a single link (e.g., "Cleveland, Ohio") for the sake of clarity and consistency. You can try to change it, but you're going to find most other editors will ruthlessly enforce the standard convention. Jweiss11 is not the only editor who does so. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:00, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Alabama-Florida football rivalry

You want me to created Alabama-Florida football rivalry it's alright for me Thanks User:AuburnDee. — Preceding undated comment added 06:44, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for reverting my edits on the coaches templates. I changed the dates per MOS:DOB. I guess WP:WikiProject College football has different opinions on that? I thought, and still think, that it looked nicer by shortening the dates. Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (Talk) 23:11, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Corky, thanks for the message. There has been extensive discussion about six-digit vs. eight-digit formats for year ranges with respect to WikiProject College football, WikiProject College Basketball, and other sports projects. I think @Dirtlawyer1: and @Rikster2: know the most about the history of this issue. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:16, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Alrighty, it really isn't a big deal. Thanks for replying to me! Corkythehornetfan (Talk) 23:28, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan:, there was extensive discussion about 6-digit vs. 8-digit date formats for sport tenures and the final consensus was that date ranges are expressed as 8-digits (e.g. 2005–2008), while specific seasons for sports that span 2 calendar years (like basketball or hockey) are expressed as 6-digits (e.g. the 2005–06 season). This has been added to Wikipedia's manual of style (see notes here) and is how tenures are handled by most sports. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 23:41, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

@Rikster2: Thanks for the explanation! It makes since now. Corkythehornetfan (Talk) 23:50, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Rikster, thanks for chiming in. I wasn't sure if the MOS had been updated. Good to know that it has. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Question about lists of seasons

In what order do you suggest long list (of lists) that would need to be changed be adjusted. Also, how would these need to be reconciled with the what I call TT (or Michigan) version that is leaner and lists conference record as well where as the Alabama, OU version doesn't.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 16:59, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

UCO, not sure what you are asking above about "order". First step is to figure out what the new, winning format is. Then I'd hit all of the lists that have been rated FL first and convert those, then keep working down the rest of the lists. Let's keep the discussion of this on the CFB talk page, so others can chime in. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 00:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

"Working down the rest of the lists" is what I wanted clarification for. But I agree it can wait.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 00:38, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't think a absolute strict order of work is needed. I'd just hit the FL ones first. Jweiss11 (talk)

Potential problem edits

JW, FYI, you probably want to look at this ASAP: WT:CFB#Widespread changes to college sports program articles. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:13, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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Department of Duplicative Redundancy

This kind of silliness drives me nuts: [4]. For every BCS National Championship team, this IP user is adding a "Consensus National Championship" yellow banner to the infoboxes of BCS championship CFB teams. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:04, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I agreeably agree with you here. :) So that makes the 1996 Florida Gators football team the final consensus national champion since there was a split in 1997 and the BCS started in 1998? Jweiss11 (talk) 19:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Also, what about 2003, where the BCS champ wasn't the consensus champ? Does that change anything about how we regard the "consensusness" of the other BCS champs? Jweiss11 (talk) 19:31, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

That sounds about right, Mr. Agreeable. If we're going to list "consensus national champions" for winners of the BCS National Championship Game, we might as well list Associated Press Poll national champions, Coaches Poll national champions, Houlgate System national champions, Litkenhous national champions, blah, blah, etc., etc., which is a really bad idea. Pre-1998, if there was a split between the two major polls, the two major polls should be listed separately; since then, simply listing BCS or CFP national champions should suffice. As I said on the IP's talk page, the goal is not to accumulate as many little yellow "champions" banners as possible on the top of these team infoboxes.

As for 2003, there was obviously no "consensus national champion," because of the AP Poll awarding it NC to USC. I suppose the Trojans could also list the "Cheaters R Us national championship" and "Our Heisman Trophy winner is a dumbass national championship," but other editors might disagree. Query: Why does the 2003 LSU Tigers infobox not have a yellow "BCS National Championship" banner? Other than 2003, I see no credible challenge to the "consensusness" of the BCS champion teams, but there's no reason to list it in the infobox. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:48, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

FYI, this guy is back, and did not take the hint from my having left him a talk page message. I'd be grateful if you would watch list these pages, and take a look at his other handiwork. He's reformatting all of the season articles for BCS championship teams. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:28, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I think we ought to bring this up WT:CFB and settle on / reassert some new standards for Template:Infobox NCAA team season, because the issues are bigger than just this IP's redundantly redundant handiwork. There are a few persistent problems. First, "Champions" is almost always capitalized in this infoboxes, even though it usually should not be. Many of these instances are my edits from years ago, e.g. 1990 Michigan Wolverines football team, which I created in 2009. Second, do we need to note bowl championships in Champion field? The bowl win is clearly stated a field below. Third, do we need to note rivalry "championships", e.g. Florida Cup, or even two-team rivalries wins, e.g. 2008 Oregon Ducks football team? Jweiss11 (talk) 06:01, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Being the resident WP:CFB hardass, I'm going to say no to bowl championships and rivalry championships, and, yes, to correct capitalization. Note, however, that BCS National Championship and SEC Championship are proper names, even if BCS national champions and SEC champions are not, raising the question are we listing "championships" or "champions?" Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:14, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

JW, this guy is back, again, and is engaging in slow-rolling reversion game regarding BCS and consensus national champions banners: [5] and [6]. BCS National Championship Game and SEC Championship Game are trademarked proper names, should be capitalized per WP:COMMONNAME, and are capitalized Wikipedia articles titles; Consensus national champions, BCS national champions, SEC champions, and SEC Eastern Division champions are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized. Your assistance in maintaining proper capitalization and your input on the article talk pages would be appreciated -- these are not the only CFB national championship articles he's messing with. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:00, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Terrell Williams

Hey, in discussing ongoing infobox discussions for NFL coaches with Frietjes, I noticed that Terrell Williams has left the NFL and is now a Gators assistant. I think he needs to be converted to Infobox college coach -- care to handle that one? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:07, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Done, along with other cleanup, updating, and project tagging of the talk page. I noticed Frietjes editing the format of some infoboxes as well. What's the plan there? Jweiss11 (talk) 03:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

If you want the gory details, read the extended discussion between her and me on her talk page. What she's doing now should actually facilitate the conversion of Infobox NFL coach to Infobox NFL player in the near future. Need to happen, but it needs to be planned well, and Infobox NFL player needs work, including paring its length, before we just dump 350 coaches into it. In the mean time, we need to finish revamping Infobox college football player, and then Infobox NFL player. Which reminds me, Big Dog -- I think you owe me some feedback here: User:Dirtlawyer1/sandbox2. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:10, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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KCAC coaches?

Hey champ! I reverted the edit you made in the KCAC Coaches template... Marty Mathis is still the head coach there from all sources I can find. KCAC website too. What have you found?--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch. I made a mistake before. I meant to update Bethany, not Bethel. Manny Matsakis is no longer the head coach at Bethany. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:59, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm

Imagine my surprise: [7]. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Patricia Neal was a ferocious blocker in her day. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

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Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.--Ubikwit ^連絡 _{見学/迷惑} 11:33, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Ubikwit, please stop this disruptive nonsense. Jweiss11 (talk) 11:40, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I've never known Jweiss11 to make uncivil comments on Wikipedia. If you're going to make such an accusation, you should provide a link to it if you want your accusation to have any merit and credibility at all. However, accusing someone of being uncivil when they have not been is normally considered disruptive behavior. If you have something, provide a link. If you don't... well, then don't.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:36, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Paul, the accusation is based on comments at Talk:Sam Harris (author)#Another arbitrary break. Note, also the absurd claim of "original research" in response to my discussion about how we might best manage content relevant to that article. Ubikwit has already gone to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding his clash with other editors over the same topic. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Jweiss. I'm briefly stepping back, as common sense and reasoned discussion seem to have taken a back seat to a mini-crusade, so it's best to let it run its course. I'll remove or correct the policy violations in a little while. Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

@Jweiss11: The statement you made

whatever the practice may be by certain social scientists, the reality is that religions tend to be—and the three Abrahamic religions certainly are—political systems.

seems to have been presented as a pretext that you asserted was the condition upon which I be required to edit the article, and that is obviously an arbitrary assertion; moreover, it was not based on policy, but on your personal interpretation of subject matter related to the content of the article.

Second, you accused me of "smearing" while asserting that I have a COI, both of which are personal attacks.--Ubikwit ^連絡 _{見学/迷惑} 20:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Ubikwit, the statement I made above is rather obvious and non-controversial, no? These religions all have laws, don't they? And the point I was trying to drive home there was that your structuring of the article was introducing redundancies. The idea that politics and religion have to be treated as separate animals in all contexts is just as much as a personal interpretation. And, in the case of the Sam Harris article, that approach is promoting redundancy. As for the "smearing" and COI" I think this is a reasonable assessment of your editing on the Sam Harris article. I'm not attacking you at large. I don't really know anything about you. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:19, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Macalester Scots football coaches

I found a source that pins Dwight Stuessy as the head coach from 1937–1938 and 1946–1956, if that helps you with digging up who was in charge between 1939 and 1945 on Template:Macalester Scots football coach navbox. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:38, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Nice research. I haven't found anything about who coached at Macalester in those intervening years or before Stuessy. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom

Re: Sam Harris article.--Ubikwit ^連絡 _{見学/迷惑} 21:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Formatting of season schedule tables

JW, please take a look at these threads: [8] and [9]. I am not opposed to change, but I don't believe this is the proper way to implement changes in contravention of well-established practice. Your feedback on the relevant talk pages is requested. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:11, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

All-Western teams

Thanks for all your help filling in the All-Western teams. I think this is a worthwhile project. Cbl62 (talk) 20:27, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

My pleasure to chip in. Thanks for kicking this off. I assume that "Ames" as in "Barker, Ames (WE-1)" at 1919 All-Western college football teams means Iowa State? Jweiss11 (talk) 20:31, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

That sounds probable. The newspaper referred to it as simply "Ames". I do notice that Ames College is a redirect to Iowa State. Cbl62 (talk) 23:59, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

There was a "Dick Barker" who played for Iowa State in 1919. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

There's an article for Dick Barker already. Looks like a match. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:11, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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[10]? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 11:22, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. Dunno. Jweiss11 (talk) 14:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

No talk page discussion, no explanation in log. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

@Materialscientist: [11]? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Secondary colors in templates

Do you know how to get the secondary colors added as the borders in both Template:Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks basketball navbox and Template:Fresno State Bulldogs men's basketball navbox? Jrcla2 (talk) 18:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

The idea is that all college colors with now be set and controlled in one place, Module:College color/data, although in practice many navboxes still have hard-coded colors. I just added the red color for SFA (per http://www.sfasu.edu/pubaffairs/sfa-official-university-identity-standards-manual.pdf) to Module:College color/data and then tweaked the the various SFA navboxes to key off of that. Not sure if the red color is actually applicable. It seems like the athletics colors are just purple, black, and white now. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:52, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC 2015

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New editor changes to coach infoboxes

Here's a new editor who is making all sorts of non-standard changes to coach infoboxes: [12]. Let me know if you want help with this. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:43, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

He's definitely got some over-capitalization going on. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:37, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

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Colors question

Hey Jweiss, when you added the secondary color for Stephen F. Austin, it changed the colors on the current rosters for the SFA teams, as well. They are unreadable and I was wondering if you knew how to change those font colors to white? I'm still new to all of the color coding thing and I can't figure it out how to change SFA's roster colors to save my life! I was hoping you could help but if not, I can ask Frietjes. If you want an example of what I'm talking about, you can look here. Have a great day! Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 17:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)Ty

Looks like someone else fixed it. Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 06:25, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Corky, glad it's fixed. I think there are some kinks in the color coding scheme that still need some work. I've been tied up moving the past few days and don't have Internet set up yet in my new place. It will probably be a few days before I can devote much time here. I'll take a closer look at this stuff then. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 03:41, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I had seen thru your contributions that you hadn't been on a few days, so I figured you were busy; I was in no hurry about it being fixed. Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 04:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Request for consensus: Team stat leaders in schedule tables

JW, are you following this discussion on the WP:CBB talk page? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

So, what do you think?

3-pixel accent with white text

Michigan Wolverines

Take a look at this, and let me know what you think: [13]? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:57, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

JW, here's a full mock-up with color graphics: Template:Infobox college football player/testcases#Joe Cool (typical example). What do you think of the colors, graphics, and layout and design? In particular, how do you like the "college varsity stripe graphics?" Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:55, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

DL, I'm slowly getting back in the saddle. Will look at this closely in the next couple days. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:41, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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Mike Bottom

Bottom was a decent competitive swimmer, but I think he was/is far more significant as a swim coach, especially as Michigan's head coach. Would you like to flip the infobox to Infobox college coach -- seems more relevant than Infobox swimmer. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:16, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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Shouting

I've noticed you "shout" on other talk pages. Not nice. Best Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  13:22, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Bfpage, I was indeed using all caps for emphasis on one particular talk page, not "talk pages" (plural). This was an attempt to engage an editor (User:Lewisthejayhawk), who mass-produces new articles with systemic errors, which creates a backlog of unnecessary and tedious work for other editors. Lewisthejayhawk appears rarely, if ever, to respond productively to any posts on his talk page nor engage in any sort of meaningful discussion. If you have ideas about how to crack through to him, I'm open ears. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 17:52, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Someone with 100,000 edits can't be WRONG. Sorry, you are right. One instance of all Caps does not a shouter make...my apologies. This same editor recently reverted an edit of mine for no reason...so this is a pattern, eh?   Bfpage |leave a message  18:48, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I explained the reason for that revert on that page. What pattern are you talking about? Jweiss11 (talk) 18:53, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

the pattern of the other editor, not you,   Bfpage |leave a message  20:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Bfpage, apologies, I totally misread your previous comment. I understand now. 03:54, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

TPS: SO THERE! LOL Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:09, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

TPS reports? Jweiss11 (talk) 03:56, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk Page Stalker, but the office clip is still funny. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:03, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, uh, we're going to need you to come in on Saaaaturday..." Jweiss11 (talk) 18:38, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox NCAA athlete (?)

Hey, JW. Here's a serious question: is anyone still actively using this infobox template for any particular classes of college athletes? I had completely forgotten it still existed. It was brought to my attention by Alakzi earlier this evening, and I started poking around. It still has 283 transclusions, but a quick review shows that some of the current uses should be using Infobox college coach, Infobox college football player, or Infobox basketball biography. It also looks a substantial number of these old then-current college athlete articles from 7 or 8 years ago should be sent to AfD. Any thoughts regarding residual uses of Infobox NCAA athlete? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:10, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

As the college basketball and college baseball keepers of the flame, I also asked Rikster, Jrcla and Billcasey to weigh in regarding Infobox NCAA athlete on Rikster's talk page: User talk:Rikster2#Template:Infobox NCAA athlete. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:17, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

User:Volcycle has done a lot of college football work over the last few months, particularly building out bios for Texas QBs, c.f. Template:Texas Longhorns quarterback navbox. He's generally utilized Infobox NCAA athlete. Many of these cases should clearly be using Infobox college football player instead. He should be looped into this conversation.Jweiss11 (talk) 18:32, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I just looked back and I tired to connect him with you a few months back, c.f. User talk:Volcycle#College football contributions. Jweiss11 (talk) 18:37, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

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Infobox college football player

Just call me Mr. Sisyphus. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I guess that's better than Mr. Syphilis. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

True dat. And a much better pick-up line, too. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:31, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

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Please comment pertaining to new school articles and categories

I began an important issue that will affect the college football, basketball, and baseball projects. You are a regular editor within any or all of these WikiProjects and your input is requested. Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#University of Texas Rio Grande Valley athletics. Thank you! Jrcla2 (talk) 01:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

'82 Nebraska vs. Penn State?

Is there some greater significance to this game: 1982 Nebraska vs. Penn State football game? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Not that I know of. Just looks like a pretty standard showdown between two highly ranked teams. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks like a candidate for delete or merge at AfD? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Seems like a reasonable candidate for AfD. But the game seems no less notable than 2005 Texas vs. Ohio State football game, a rather similar early-season showdown between two highly-ranked teams where the winner went on to a national title. Should 2005 Texas vs. Ohio State be AfD'd as well? It's a Good Article. I've never been involved in an AfD concerning a GA-rated article or anything close. Also, I think there's still lower-hanging fruit for AfD in Category:College football games. 1997 Linfield vs. Willamette football game and 2001 Cumberland vs. Jacksonville State football game seem like a good place to start. The female pioneers noted in those games seem notable enough for bio articles, but does the game in which they debuted need an article as well? We don't have an article for Jackie Robinson's debut with the Dodgers in 1947, nor do I think we should. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:29, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Bring it on

It's Florida vs. Michigan for softball dominance of the world. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:08, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

My alma mater, Tufts, already won the D-III title for the third straight year, to cap a 51–0 season, so I'm good. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, well, the Gators might be competitive with the Jumboes football team, too. Maybe. We'll see how the new coach works out. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Helped cleanup several articles on NFL officials. Keep up the good work! You deserve this barnstar. Fresh Sullivan (talk) 18:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I do have one question. Is the "present" in an infobox supposed to be italicized or not because I always see both Fresh Sullivan (talk) 18:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar and all your work. There's no good reason to italicize "present" in an infobox. Jweiss11 (talk)

No problem. I'll fix any articles I come across across that have "present" italicized. Fresh Sullivan (talk) 21:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Jweiss11 (talk) 01:56, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Project proposal

Please check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Collegiate sports (USA)... GWFrog (talk) 21:32, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

FYI

Please take a look at this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Collegiate sports (USA). Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hey, JW. Did you see the discussion on my talk page about the college rivalry infobox template? Need your input when you get a chance. Happy Fourth of July, old man. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:40, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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JW, please join the article talk page discussion here: Talk:Florida State Seminoles football#"Controversies" section problems. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:50, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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Hey, funny man

JW, could we get a substantive comment on the matter at hand: [14]? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:01, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Done! Jweiss11 (talk) 22:03, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

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BTW

For all of the help Frietjes has provided to WP:CFB and the other sports projects regarding templates, tables and other coding issues, it would be a very nice gesture if we prepared a resolution to be endorsed by the sports WikiProject members and accompanied by a special barn star. Please give it some thought, and we can discuss at greater length offline when you have some time. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Sounds look a nice idea. Jweiss11 (talk) 14:59, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

yearbooks

Could you provide me with a link to the handy list you created a while back of college yearbooks available on-line? Thanks. Cbl62 (talk) 14:43, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Cbl62, see Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Archived yearbooks. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:32, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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JW, you may want to take a look at this requested move: [15]. It involves the application of our naming conventions to the Division III sports program at Washington University in St. Louis. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Your opinion is requested

Here: Template talk:CFB Schedule Entry#Request to add a reference column. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:44, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

YGM

You've been pinged via email. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:00, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Are we renaming all "lady" categories?

Hey. What do you know about this: [16]? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know anything about this example specifically, but I do know that many schools seem to have retired their "Lady" monikers for some or all women's sports in recent years. I would assume changes would be made on Wikipedia accordingly on a case-by-case basis. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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As I am his grandson and have not seen this kind of news story before, am I to assume that much more about him may be represented in other issues of the paper? Huckleby007 (talk) 18:59, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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As you may recall, I created a list of Michigan football deletion candidates last year and nominated several at AfD. Today, I nominated a couple more at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martavious Odoms and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brendan Gibbons. The potential deletion list included an article that you created in 2009 on Carlos Brown (American football). Do you think Brown is an appropriate deletion candidate at this point? Your thought would be appreciated. Cbl62 (talk) 15:34, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, Brown doesn't seem much, if any, more notable than Odoms or Gibbons at this point. But all these bio articles seems pretty non-problematic to me. They're borderline, perhaps, but not egregious examples of shaky notability. Playing a starting or significant role on a top-tier college football team like Michigan probably makes you more notable than reaching your pro apex in the Arena Football League or another sub-NFL league. Those guys who did, but didn't play for a top-tier college program, seem to get the pass on presumed notability--or at least there are plenty of articles for them. If you're looking to cull some dead weight at CfD, I think there's a lot of lower hanging fruit than Brown, like the articles linked here: Template:HHSAA State Football Championships navbox. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Brown's career stats (382, 122, and 480 rushing yards in three years) are actually pretty unimpressive, though he did register 187 yards against Eastern Mich. in 2009. He did garner some significant coverage, so I'll leave alone for now. Cbl62 (talk) 02:00, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Infobox college coach: championships and honors

JW, the tight listing of championships and honors is horrible from a layout, design and typography -- without bullet points, the indivdual line items are extremely difficult to distinguish, and they're even worse when there is a mix of years preceding the line items and some with parenthetical following. See, e.g., John Wooden. Please contemplate, and let's discuss further when you have some time. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:32, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

DL, Wooden isn't the best example because that infobox isn't even formatted properly per the existing, prevailing standard. Bo Schembechler is probably a better example to look at. Even there I agree things could use some work. The championships and awards field are punctuated with break tags, which I think are now deprecated per WP:ACCESS, correct?. Alakzi and BU Rob13 recently led a charge to update the tenure fields Template:Infobox college coach. Perhaps a similar effort is needed for the championships and awards fields as well as any others that currently make use of break tags. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:56, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, <br> should not be used to separate list items. If we don't wanna use bullet points, we could indent new lines within a list item, like in Special:Diff/680425245 and Special:Diff/680424857. If you're OK with this, I'll move the style rules to the infobox. Alakzi (talk) 20:05, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Alakzi, thanks for chiming in. I think we should get input from a few people at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football and Wikipedia:WikiProject College Basketball and other stake-holding projects before we roll anything out. I don't think the edits you've just made at Wooden and Schembechler really address Dirtlawyer1's layout concerns. Perhaps, we should mock up a few ideas in the sandbox? Jweiss11 (talk) 20:11, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I think they do. As far as I understand it, Dirtlawyer's concern was that there's no way to distinguish new lines within a list item from individual list items, which indentation neatly takes care of. Alakzi (talk) 21:24, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I think he was looking for more distinction between lines. Take a look at your mockup on Bo Schembecher. The indent on the last line of the awards field does make things better, but the first few lines still form a dense block that might be hard to parse at a glance. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:30, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Guys, I fully understand the accessibility problem created by hard-break coding in the infobox; it's been there for as long as I've been on Wikipedia (6+ years). And, no, the ad hoc insertion of plainlist coding is not the universal solution we need; it's a temporary fix at best. I agree that we should contemplate re-coding the championships and awards fields, either with built-in plainlist coding or individually coded line items. Before we do that, however, I think we need to contemplate what we want this animal to look like . . . and I think we need to have that discussion among senior project members before we take it to the masses for general discussion and approval. More to the point, we need to discuss the use of bullet points, numbers preceding championships and awards, spacing, etc. -- and we need to discuss the design comprehensively. There are almost 7,000 articles that use this template, and it's probably past time that we give it some attention and make some decisions for the future. The best way to do that is to consider the alternatives, come up with a plan (or two) with options, and then present it for comments, refinement and approval. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:41, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Dirtlawyer on this. He's been working on a list of things to clean up in this template, which I'll eventually be looking at a bot task to complete. It makes the most sense to fold this in with that task and handle all the clean-up at once. This is not the only issue with this template, and the time and effort of submitting many bot tasks to fix each issue individually is being wasted if we don't combine things together. ~ Rob^Talk 21:15, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I have already explained that the "ad hoc insertion of plainlist coding" is demonstrative and temporary. If you're OK with this, I'll move the style rules to the infobox. As for this needing wider discussion, that's a resounding meh on my part; call me when it's all over. Alakzi (talk) 21:21, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Alakzi, duly noted. We'll give you a shout when the discussion is over. For now, no move. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:23, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

JW, obviously we need to deal with the accessibility issues, but let's talk about how we want this animal to look when we're done:

1. Bullet points vs. overhang/2nd-line indentation?
2. Numbers of awards/championships vs. no numbers?
3. If we use numbers of awards/championships, do we use the "3×" format that WP:NFL and other sports projects use?
4. Do we want to continue to place the years in front of coaching tenures, while placing award/championship years in parentheticals after the award/championship names?
5. What other design changes, if any, do we want to implement now?
6. Are some parameters redundant (alma mater vs. player history)?
7. Are there other parameters we need to add?

Food for thought. We're in no rush here -- let's give this some thought. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:50, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Ping me when ready for changes as well. Normally, I'd participate, but I've been running low on time lately. ~ Rob^Talk 00:04, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

DL, I definitely want to get rid of the external links in the infobox, the CFBDW and HOF links. We've talked about this before. These links belong in the external links section at the bottom of articles. Alma mater is one of the newer fields in the infobox. It was argued that it was particularly relevant for coaches who didn't play or for ones who graduated from a place they didn't play. If it's going to stay, there should be some standards put in place, because there are really none so far. How do we format the school? Do we note grad year and degree and, if so, how? We should look at the "coaching_record" field and determine if it is needed. There are not many examples where is it populated. John Gagliardi and Larry Kehres are two of the few where it is. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:54, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Agreed regarding "coaching_records"; 99% of its potential use is redundant to win-loss record parameters, and genuinely notable "records" should probably be included in the "awards" (aka "highlights") section. Frankly, I'm surprised that some of our cruftier friends haven't filled the "records" section with obscure "non-losing homestreak" type stuff. The CFBDW links need to go, but there will be significant resistance from several senior CFB editors about removing the HOF links -- BTW, I thought we had resolved the HOF links to your satisfaction with the dark blue bands replacing the neon gold at the bottom of the box? Alma mater -- I need to think about that, but I am all in favor of standards and good template instructions. I re-wrote the template instructions for Infobox swimmer, and wrote a lot of the current instructions for Infobox NFL player; in both cases, better template instructions have reduced disputes. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Historical photos

Hi Jweiss - I have been creating a number of articles for older (1900s-1930s) basketball All-Americans and was wondering if you knew much about use of photos for these folks? It seems like a number of college football coaches and older players have nice photos so I assume there must be some fair-use rationale for them. Can you help with this or do you know who at the Football projects might? Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 19:45, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

@Rikster2: If I might be so bold as to interject, photos that were taken before 1923 are probably free-use (i.e., not subject to valid copyright). If the subject is dead, you usually have a very strong case for the fair use of non-free-use images (i.e., those that are still subject to valid copyright). If you have any questions or concerns about particular photos for dead All-Americans, run them by Hammersoft. Hammer made his wiki-bones doing copyvio enforcement, and knows how to check current copyright status faster than anyone else I've encountered. I'll dig out a few example non-free-use photos so you can see the examples of fair use rationales employed. You may also want to check with MisterCake who does an excellent job of uncovering old yearbook and university collection photos, as well as Materialscientist who is good at finding caches of free-use photos for international athletes -- which might be helpful if you're looking for All-Americans who were members of the U.S. Olympic team. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

P.S. You may want to take a look at Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria and Wikipedia:Public domain, too. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

You might want to check the coverage of the old SIAA tournament for some UNC players, for it uses many yearbook photos and newspaper clippings which it is hard to imagine anyone challenging on copyright grounds, though don't take me as an authority on the matter. See here or here for example. Cake (talk) 21:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

For example, could I use this picture of Ross McBurney (2nd pic in series)? Rikster2 (talk) 23:03, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Since he is well dead and the image is not long past the cut-off of 1923, which has been around long enough that it too will change; if he were a research interest of mine I probably would have uploaded it already and just not opposed any later removal. Pund.jpg is one I use pretty reliably as a template for the other instances of "fair use". Cake (talk) 23:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I did it wrong. Screw it, I'll just not do any of these. Rikster2 (talk) 00:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Hm, you did it on commons for some reason. I'll try and do this one - sorry if still no help or no less frustrating. Instead of using the upload wizard, when doing fair use you'll want to keep it on wiki proper by just typing in a file name; e. g. File:McBurneyGrannyShot.jpg. Cake (talk) 00:59, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. My secretary, I mean Dirtlawyer1, will answer all further questions on this matter. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:28, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Infobox college coach

OK Jweiss (and stalkers) - I am having a conversation with an editor about dits to the article Jon Harris (basketball) at my talk page (User talk:Rikster2#High school play). It concerns using the "player years" fields to show HS playing years. Please take a look at the discussion and the edit history on the article. Am I off base here? If not, is it worthwhile to either update the template to include a high school field (where it could be displayed in the same manner as other info boxes, usually high school name and either city/state or state) or amend the template documentation to specify that the player fields are for college and pro teams? What do you think? I believe this precedence would impact more college football than basketball articles. Rikster2 (talk) 19:40, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

You are not off base. I have commented on your talk page. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:56, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I think having an optional field for HS is not a bad idea, though years of play would be a mistake, in my opinion. Rikster2 (talk) 20:02, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Rikster, what does "optional" mean? If there is applicable, known data for a given field, shouldn't it always be populated? If there was a high school field, in what cases would we know a person's high school, but not want to put it in the infobox? I agree with you that years of play is not a good idea. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:51, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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I noticed that you edited a persondata template. Please note that persondata has been deprecated following an RfC and is facing removal. It's been replace by Wikidata and should not be edited any longer. Thanks! ~ Rob^Talk 22:56, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I was aware that it was deprecated following an RfC, but it's not clear to me what's happening from an operational standpoint. Will there be a systematic removal of persondata from articles? Is the existing info in persodata being used to populate Wikidata? Jweiss11 (talk) 23:48, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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Bold titles

Thanks for getting rid of the link in the bold title of UCLA Bruins men's basketball. Taking it a step further, per WP:BOLDTITLE, what do you think of not having to ferret the title verbatim and have maybe "The men's basketball program of the UCLA Bruins", or something that gives meaningful links earlier as opposed to redundantly repeating the term(s) later?—Bagumba (talk) 23:34, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

"Ferret" the title or "parrot" the title? Personally, I like cute, furry, little titles, but they have acrid-smelling urine. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Bagumba, I'm in favor of stating the article title verbatim. See my most recent edits to UCLA Bruins men's basketball. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:35, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Except UCLA Bruins might be more relevant, or maybe people are interested in where these kids study :-) No problem, just asking, and I'm unlikely to do much of the forklifting anyways.—Bagumba (talk) 01:16, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

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Infobox college football player

JW, that gold CFHOF stripe looks pretty bad next to most team colors. Can you find the conversation where we discussed using the midnight blue CFHOF band instead? It was your idea, and a good one, and I believe someone mocked up examples of it. FYI, we lost Alakzi a couple weeks ago, so I will recruit BU Rob13 or another solid coder to help us finish this out. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 07:03, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm working on the blue band. Take another look. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. That looks much better -- not nearly the visual conflict with Ohio State scarlet and gray (and most other colors). Let's de-link "Bowl games," too. If the field is used, the links to specific bowl games provide more than enough information fr the reader. As a matter of design, linking some, but not all field labels looks goofy; most other infoboxes have de-linked all field labels. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 07:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I de-linked the bowl games label--that was easy enough. Take a look at Jay Berwanger, Bobby Grayson, George Gipp, and Donold Lourie for the new HOG blue band with gray border. Let me know what you think. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Looks good, JW. We do need to reduce the CFHOF text size so that it does not exceed the size of the other headers in the box. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 07:43, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

It looks to me that the the CFHOF text is the same size as the headers. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:30, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for the info on attendance and captains....I'll keep it in mind moving forward, and will try to add for the years I missed. Feel free to update any you see fit.........Pvmoutside (talk) 23:30, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

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TfDs

Hey. There are multiple TfDs for sports succession navboxes on the 25th, 26th and 27th, which are all more or less related regarding minimum standards for navboxes that include a succession. I think you only saw a couple of them. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

When you get a chance . . .

JW, please take a look at Sharon Chatman for current formatting, etc. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:12, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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. . . here. Your thoughts? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:03, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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ACC rivalry navbox

@Jweiss11, Jrcla2, and Rikster2: Hey. Can y'all take a look-see at Template:Atlantic Coast Conference rivalry navbox? It's different from the structure of all other rivalry boxes, as it includes both football and basketball rivalries, including men's and women's hoops. It also singles out three Notre Dame football rivalries, even though the Irish aren't ACC members for football. This means the navbox is both bigger and found on more pages than is typical. Personally, I think it's a bit of a reach to jump from UConn women's hoops rivalries to Clemson football rivalries, and I think it may need some surgery. Mixing football and basketball strikes me as a mess. Let me know what you guys think. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:42, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I'm not particularly for any rivalry navboxes, but if they do exist I would be in favor of separating football altogether, then have a discussion about the merits of dividing the men's and women's basketball rivalries as well. But at the least, this current navbox is reaching too far in scope. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:32, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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Howard King (public-address announcer)

I was considering sending Howard King (public-address announcer) to AfD. Any thoughts? Cbl62 (talk) 03:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

No strong thoughts here. I'm happy to defer to your expertise and research on this one. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:38, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Championship category changes

If you can explain your purpose here [17], I can probably support it, but I need to understand what the new naming pattern will be. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Take a look at Category:American college sports champion navigational boxes. You can see that the baseball, basketball, and hockey categories there have the "...championship team..." format, while the football and the college sport category itself has the "...champion..." format. The purpose of my proposed renaming was to bring these all in line. I thought "championship team" was preferable to "champion". Jweiss11 (talk) 01:28, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Got it. Consistency in naming. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:19, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Toledo Rockets baseball coach navbox

Template:Toledo Rockets baseball coach navbox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 00:25, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Oh. In checking my watch list, I see this is one of yours from 2011. If you're willing to create another three stubs for notable Rockets coaches in the next month, and tell Corky that, I'm sure he would withdraw the TfD, and I would certainly recommend that he do so. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Minimum of four blue links needed, so if you pick three clearly notable Rockets baseball coaches, assign one to me and I'll stub it. I do this for you, because . . . well . . . it's you. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:18, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I already created stubs for Joe Kruzel and Cory Mee. Going to do Stan Sanders next. The earliest two coaches, Watts and Connelly, also coached basketball at Toledo, so that may help their cause there. You maybe want to beef up the Kruzel article? There are plenty of articles about him on Google News. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

I will see what I can find for Kruzel. Given that he coached Toledo in the '90s and early 2000s, there should be plenty available. Don't know about the minor league stuff since, but the unusual name should help. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Claude Watts was the head baseball coach at the University of Arkansas from 1919 to 1920 and at the University of Toledo from 1921 to 1929 and in 1931. I found one source briefly referencing him as the school's first baseball coach, but can't presently find enough significant coverage to warrant a stand-alone article. If Toledo and Arkansas papers could be searched, there might be enough. Cbl62 (talk) 17:16, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Pending merge of Infobox NFL coach

Hey, JW. Looks like the oft-delayed merge of Infobox NFL coach into Infobox NFL player is finally going to happen. DeeJayK has taken the lead in cleaning up the code and eliminating redundant legacy parameters, with help from Primefac and Bagumba. The next step is going to require some manual editing to conform the team tenures and highlights data to the standard formatting used for Infobox NFL player. There are 340 transclusions of the template that will need manual editing, and I am trying to recruit 7 to 10 editors to help with this task, probably starting some time next week. Are you available to help? If we can split this 7 to 10 ways, it should be a very manageable task. Please let me know. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I can chip in. Any news about merging Template:Infobox pro football player? Jweiss11 (talk) 01:10, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

What the hell is that still doing out there? Never mind. I know why: it has the same problems as Infobox NFL coach -- different parameter names (easily cured) in combination with different data formatting for team tenures and career highlights (requires manual editing). In fact, looking at it, it's even messier than Infobox NFL coach. Refresh my memory: was this one of the templates that was used primarily for old AFL players? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it does look like it was used primarily for AFL players. At least that's what a quick sample of the the remaining 460 transclusions suggests. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:41, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, and we should probably spot-check a substantial sample of them as we go for accuracy -- when I looked at these a couple years ago, I found that a lot of the NFL and AFL draft information was reversed from prior merges or bad data entry. I'll add this template to my wiki to-do list. Let's get rid of the coach box, and then we can deal with the pro player box in January. DeeJayK seems to enjoy doing the systematic mechanical stuff for merges like this, and it should be easier if we can recruit the same crew of 7 to 10 people to help with the second one. That's twice as many helpers as Eagles247 had when he quarterbacked the last big round of merges back in 2010. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:23, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Wisconsin–Whitewater Warhawks football coach navbox

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Happy Bowl Season!

Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah, JW. Best wishes for a happy and entertaining bowl season. May the best conference team (from Florida) win this year's Citrus Bowl. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:26, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Best conference? You must be talking about the one with three teams in the New Year's Six and six teams in the top 25? May Harbaugh's first bowl game at Michigan go down like Carr's last. Best wishes to you for the holidays as well! Jweiss11 (talk) 19:22, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar?

Do we still have a CFB-specific barnstar? If so, where do I find it? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:37, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Template:College football barnstar. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:11, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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Saturday January 16: Wikipedia Day NYC 2016

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Ed Schwager

I started an article on Ed Schwager from Whitewater State Teachers College. Feel free to take a look and make any improvements you deem necessary. Cbl62 (talk) 01:58, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Same goes for Chick Agnew. Cbl62 (talk) 02:24, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for kicking these off. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:26, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Conference championship navboxes

Are we doing these now: [18]? Are we still not doing conference team roster navboxes for conference championship teams? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:09, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

These are Cake's work. Not of fan of these. I was just cleaning up the categories. Conference team roster navboxes would be a nightmare. Do you think Bear Bryant needs 15 more navboxes? Jweiss11 (talk) 03:23, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

I know -- I saw them being added to articles on my watch list yesterday. Personally, I think conference championship lists are the better alternative, but I think we need to make a WP:CFB decision in fairness to Cake and others, before they create more of them. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:39, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Also, Template:1935 Illinois Fighting Illini All-Time football navbox, Template:1935 Georgia Bulldogs All-Time football navbox, and Template:1912 Vanderbilt Commodores All-Time football navbox are problematic, no? Jweiss11 (talk) 11:23, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

North Carolina colors

Color contrast: #7BAFD4 and #FFFFFF have a color contrast ratio of 2.3529746990478. Per Template:Color contrast ratio, this is not compliant. See also Colour Contrast Check Joeykai (talk) 21:43, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Joeykai, thanks for pointing that out. All of the North Carolina navboxes (see Category:North Carolina Tar Heels navigational boxes) should be changed accordingly then. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:56, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan:, instead of making North Carolina's accent color their primary color, why not keep the primary color the same and change the secondary color from white to black? Colour Contrast Check shows black on light blue passes every compliance test. I still believe that keeping the correct primary color is important. There is nothing wrong with black on light blue, see Colour Contrast Check. Joeykai (talk) 02:37, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

@Joeykai: There is nothing wrong with the dark blue – they use that on their uniforms, and branding according to their Brand guide. I'm pretty sure fans would still recognize and realize that the light blue is still their main color. 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 03:27, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: The first goal is to pass contrast. Both the white on dark blue and the black on light blue complete this first goal. The second goal is to accurately represent the school's colors. The problem with the dark blue as the primary color is that dark blue isn't their primary color; light blue is. I don't see any problems with my proposed solution and I see no reason why my proposed solution should not be implemented. Joeykai (talk) 03:33, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Joey, this makes sense. I agree. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan, JoeyKai, and Jweiss11: This is an adequate temporary solution, but UNC's colors are not Carolina Blue and Black. There's a better solution in the works; please see my explanation @ Module talk:College color‎#Oklahoma State. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:48, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Rhode Island colors

Just wanna switch the darker blue as the primary color at the Module? 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 22:22, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Corky, that seems find to me. If you want to go ahead and do that, I have no objection. I just want to keep all the Rhode Island navboxes, and those for each other school, in line with one another. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:41, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Again, keeping the primary color correct is important. Black on #75B2DD passes every contrast test. Joeykai (talk) 02:47, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I've just reviewed URI's sports website, gorhody.com. Rhode Island's dark blue and sky blue are interchangeable; URI mixes and matches the blues in their team uniforms, and often uses dark blue background with white text as a common alternate to maximize contrast. Moreover, we have a preference for white text in the college colors module, and will use white text whenever we can achieve AAA-compliant contrast. While there may be cases where the two primary colors are not interchangeable (e.g., Oklahoma State), URI clearly uses dark blue as an alternate primary for uniforms and otherwise. BTW, these college colors discussions on Jweiss' user talk page should be copied to the module talk page, so that editors can later search and find them when they want to know why we did what we did, and how we resolved various colors issues such as this one. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 07:24, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Dumb question

@Cbl62 and Jweiss11: Why are we linking Template:Michigan State Spartans football navbox -- and, as a result, every Michigan State football article -- to Winged football helmet, an iconic symbol of the Michigan Wolverines? Did Michigan State use a winged helmet graphic at some point? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:52, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

DL, yes, apparently they did. Read the article! Jweiss11 (talk) 01:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, there ya have it. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:04, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

FYI, here it is in action. Cake (talk) 03:51, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Navbox order

Should navboxes be in a particular order? I seem to be creating extra work for you, my friend Lizard the Wizard (talk) 02:41, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Lizard the Wizard, thanks for the message. The standard I follow for navboxes on sports bio articles is to put tenure navboxes first, sorted chronologically, then championship navboxes, sorted chronologically, and then awards/honors/achievement navboxes, sorted chronologically. If there are three or more championship and/or awards/honor navboxes, then those all get collapsed into a grouping. See Bo Schembechler or Bill Wade for good examples. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 02:56, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, in regards to individual achievements/records by football players, would you say a bulleted list is encyclopedic? Or should I type out these achievements in a paragraph? Lizard the Wizard (talk) 04:07, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Lizard, in the bodies of articles, you generally want to keep things in prose/paragraph form. That's preferable to bulleted lists. The infobox of the article can contain a bulleted list of significant awards/honors/achievements. I see you've done some work of late on Charles Alexander (running back). Those bulleted lists should be integrated into the prose of the article. And the infobox should certainly make note of the consensus All-America selections. Dirtlawyer1 is also a good resource on this stuff. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips friend. Also you look great for your age. If I hadn't stalked your FB I'd swear you were 35 1/2 at most. Lizard the Wizard (talk) 08:23, 29 December 2015 (UTC)