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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Advice Polack

Your NAC closure was entirely reasonable, but since then Blade of the Northern Lights has reversed the G10 deletion of the page, so I have unclosed the AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 23:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I saw that. And I would agree that the G10 was inappropriate in this case, so reopening the AFD is the best thing to do. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 23:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

BLP question

Hi! Thank you for looking in at the Angana P. Chatterji page. Question for you-- if the dismissal went to legal arbitration and is now settled, what's the policy around keeping the allegations against a living person in the article? I'd appreciate your thoughts! -- Torren (talk) 01:10, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

If they merited inclusion to begin with, assuming they did not violate WP:UNDUE or anything else, then yes. Of course it's important to document their outcome, and there's nothing wrong with emphasizing the positive aspect of the dismissal. The notability of a person (or its aspects) are not temporary. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:40, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughts! Much appreciated. Torren (talk) 02:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Traffic confirmation

I added your redirect from Traffic confirmation to Tor (anonymity network) to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. A redlink would be better if the community wants to actually create an article on the topic. Otherwise, the redirect would lead back to the target article. You're right about there being nothing substantial there. 88.75.163.89 (talk) 13:00, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh, better yet. Thanks for letting me know. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

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Terrence Scammell

Thanks for sorting this one out. I have replied to the OTRS e-mail accordingly.--ukexpat (talk) 20:49, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

No prob. Sorry for taking so long! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 20:53, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

BLP Noticeboard-related post

I've nominated Hatem Bazian (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for deletion. You've recently edited the article or participated in discussions on WP:BLPN. Just a courtesy message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hatem Bazian (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs).

Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 02:38, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Like Boomerang indeed! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 00:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Help with Common Core State Standards Initiative

Hi FreeRangeFrog. I see you've recently been involved in fixing the vandalism on the Common Core State Standards Initiative page. If you haven't seen, I posted a request on the article's talk page early last week looking for editors to review a replacement for the Criticism section of the article. My request on the talk page explains in more detail the issues with the section. One editor has already responded saying that the section looked good, but I think it's important to have more than one editor review the section. If you have time to review the request I would appreciate it. If you agree that it is an improvement would you add it to the article? Because I have used a source published by my employer, The Heritage Foundation, I would prefer not to be the one to add the replacement to the article. Thanks! Thurmant (talk) 19:52, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely, that has been a constant cause of pain the last few days, and I'm happy to see it done correctly. I'll stop by today and take a look. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thurmant (talk • contribs)

FreeRangeFrog, thank you for reviewing my draft on the Common Core State Standards Initiative talk page. Since there have been no objections would you be willing to replace the existing section with this draft? I'd prefer not to add it myself, because of my COI. Thanks! Thurmant (talk) 21:07, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I will, let's give it a few days. I also note that someone demanded more criticism, so we have to deal with that as well. But don't make any changes to your draft just yet. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 18:05, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Komsky

Just do me a favor and watch this: (this was recorded from NBC and uploaded): https://vimeo.com/56063290

While normally you would be right, this game was right after the Newton shootings and his performance was indeed on live TV across the country. Not saying that it matters as a source, but just to prove you were mistaken.

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Mercenary Nation

what the hell. i am not advertising for anything and you have put this up for deletion. please explain why you have decided on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geordiephil (talk • contribs) 01:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

See WP:CSD#A7, specifically the section about "clubs, organizations", etc. The article you created failed to assert importance. It merely claimed your club exists. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:55, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

!!!???

why would you remove the good article sign on the ==philippe honore== page, 1st how do you know it isent a good article second my resources are 100% reliable, 3rd the article has everything that you need to know about this artist, from image to info to website to all that you need to know... what doesn't make it a good article, instead of you removing the good article try help and improve the article and add a languages link as it is missing.......... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amrhelweh (talk • contribs) 15:53, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The "good article" tag requires a peer review process by other editors. You can't just add it to any article you think is good. See WP:GA. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 20:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Ben Carson Edit

I recently edited a page on Dr. Benjamin Carson to include an editorial cartoon. You contacted me to say that I should have also included a "citation to a reliable source". Should I interpret that to mean that the cartoon can be posted if I include a footnote that directs the reader to, say, a news article which the cartoon could theoretically be an illustration for?

The cartoon is from my own website. If you are asking for a citation for the editorial I wrote and for which I created the cartoon, please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SonofPorkins (talk • contribs) 18:57, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, your website is probably not a reliable source, and more importantly you have a clear conflict of interest. Regardless, any claim or fact in a bio needs to be properly sourced. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 21:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Philippe Honore

how do i add the language links to the page??Amr Helweh 23:59, 6 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amrhelweh (talk • contribs)

You do that on Wikidata, in this case that would be here. But the title on the French Wikipedia is not the same person. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 08:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for William J. Powell

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Like Yay! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 17:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Judge Marbley

Hi FreeRangeFrog - Thanks for your efforts in keepin Wikipedia neutral. You removed my edit to Judge Marbley b/c you felt it wasn't neutral, but I feel you've removed important information. Can you help us edit the update to include the information in a neutral way? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.235.250 (talk) 21:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I left a message on your talk page. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 21:59, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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You have a good eye for detective work

Good job finding the source of the vandalism article Vehicle avec une trappe à souris. I never thought to search en.wiki for the English translation of the article.

Hoppy editing - MrX 03:20, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Parlez vous français, no? :) §FreeRangeFrog^croak 08:00, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to Mini-RfC

Thanks for your comments on the Lisa Lavie AfD. I'm asking various editors for constructive comments or explanations on my talk page: User talk:RCraig09#Questions. Thanks, from RCraig09 (talk) 15:57, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. RCraig09 (talk) 20:34, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

DRN organisers

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Proposed deletion of Nasir Uddin

I've copied the following message from my talk page to yours, as it seems to have been you who actually put the article there; at any rate it wasn't me. Best wishes. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 14:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't me either, I just moved it I'll copy it to the actual creator's talk page. Thanks! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 17:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

The article Nasir Uddin has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this newly created biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

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A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar

Hello, I just wanted to thank you for contributing to my Blanco Caine page which is only my 2nd page creation. I do not know how to do all of the fancy stuff yet like add pics and those tidy formatted tables, etc. Thank you for your helpful notes/guidance and if there are items that REALLY make a difference in a page I would take it as a personal favor to get suggestions from you. Thank you again. Theurbanlink (talk) 19:21, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for your edits on my Blanco Caine page. I have attempted to address the items in your notes. As for adding sections, I get so lost trying to do the fancy table stuff for discography, pics, etc. This is only my 2nd page creation. I am willing to take any guidance to help make my contributions more acceptable would you be willing to work with me on this page...if you will provide instructions I will follow them to the letter to better the article. This artist has been covered considerably by reputable urban music media and in my humble opinion deserves a place on Wikipedia and there are several pages to which is mention or can be linked. If you will help me I would be eternally grateful...thank you in advance.Theurbanlink (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure. I note that you restored some of the inline links, those need to be converted to references, if applicable. That's why I removed them in the first place. Beyond that, what I can recommend is looking at some of the many other biographies of artists in the encyclopedia, and use them as guide to work on this article. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:44, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments...I misunderstood what I was supposed to do and that is why the links were placed back although I thought I did them differently. I have looked at some of the other artist pages and several have less than a 5 sentence paragraph and that is all. I was under the impression that more valid information was the key. I have visited some very complete pages and some rather skimpy ones and since there does not seem to be a solid template for use I am uncertain what will be acceptable based on the various editing styles. Also, there is so much coverage on this person as they break out of their regional stardom onto the national stage that I am tempted to add TOO MANY links to validate them. Suggestions?Theurbanlink (talk) 02:32, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Common Core State Standards Initiative request

Hi FreeRangeFrog, a few days ago I got a new reply about my draft for the Criticism section, which you previously reviewed. This editor suggested that more information is needed and provided a list of links. I've looked through them and for the most part they don't appear to meet Wikipedia's standards. (I also noticed that this editor added a lot of tags to the article, which have since been removed, see here, so it's my understanding that the editor was trying to make a point about the Initiative, more than help improve the article.)

Anyhow, since there has been no constructive feedback since you reviewed the draft, would you be willing to add my draft to the article as a basis from which the Criticism section can continue to be developed? Thanks! Thurmant (talk) 19:57, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Agree. I was willing to give it a few days given the comments by the other editor, but the addition of the pointy templates indicates that's probably not necessary. In any case, additional sources can be discussed and added later. I'll incorporate your draft today. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 20:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

FreeRangeFrog, thank you for adding the draft I prepared to the article. I appreciate the help. Thurmant (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure. Thank you for doing all the hard work. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Marbley

I'm going to ask for semi-protection of the page at WP:RFPP. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Request made, then withdrawn temporarily since the problem IP editor is currently blocked for 72 hours. I'll un-withdraw it (or you can) if they come back on a different IP. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:02, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Good call. It's actually a bunch of IPs, but not sure if it's different people. The material is always the same though. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 23:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Oz and the Wicked Witches for deletion

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Not mine, but thanks for the heads up. I agree it's probably a hoax. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 22:13, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Merger/move proposal

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inre Oz and the Wicked Witches

I agree with a delete, but as pointed out at the AFD, the topic of the planned sequel is verifiable and not unsourcable. Though its title is not yet set, the topic is NOT A HOAX. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:17, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but actually giving it a name and three paragraphs of unsourced speculation is little more than a hoax to me, not to mention stretching WP:CRYSTAL far into the nether regions of the unknown. Had this been titled "Sequel to Oz the Great and Powerful" or something like that then I'd be more willing to take the WP:AGF road. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 17:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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Gracias!

Hey, thank you for moving the connected contributor notice on Neil Patel from the article to the talk page. I had never added that kind of tag before, good to know where it belongs. Thanks...err, ribbit! Safehaven86 (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 20:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Ilija Monte Radlovic

Hi FRF, User:Alexandra777, a newbie, seems to be having trouble at Ilija Monte Radlovic. I've welcomed this user and left a message to find out what should be done and if it's being done with a verified source. Since the person is a newbie, let's see if we get a response. Please review my message on the user's talk page. Thank you, Crtew (talk) 23:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. She actually contacted OTRS requesting the move to correct the title, which is why I moved it after I realized that "Elijah" was a nickname and not the subject's real name. The article could definitely use some editing (especially footnotes), but the number and substance of her edits at this point are within the realm of what's appropriate from a COI perspective. I'll be watching the article and assisting any way I can. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 23:13, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Crtew (talk) 23:18, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

GNU C-Graph

Hello. There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding GNU C-Graph. The thread is Complaint Against Summary Deletion of "GNU C-Graph".The discussion is about the topic GNU C-Graph. Thank you. -Visionat (talk) 16:48, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

That belongs on WP:DRV, not ANI. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 17:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Ivan ospina

Hello FreeRangeFrog. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ivan ospina, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 22:25, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Not sure how that passes A7, but thanks for letting me know. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 22:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Being a well known artist is an assertion of importance. ϢereSpielChequers 22:37, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I'd disagree with you. "well-known" without the why is not a credible assertion of importance. If it were, we'd bog down AFD with hundreds of Facebook-famous band articles. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 23:14, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Welcome ..I am happy to talk to you

I talk about abdelghani mustafa abdelghani Greetings and appreciation for your noble person and I really appreciate your advice.And I would like to know what are the tips required to make autobiography about someone??.I know him closely, and I know his achievements.This man has a biography in the Egyptian Ministry of Culture and also the Egyptian Writers Union and I own several Egyptian and Arab newspapers in the period of the eighties of the last century to now.Gave me your tips.Thank you again --الفارس الذهبي (talk) 08:56, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I'd start here and work my way here. But as other editors have pointed out, you must have a good grasp of English to contribute to the English Wikipedia. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 08:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Defamation

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Crocels, you can either desist from implying that you may take legal action against Wikipedia contributors... or you can stop editing Wikipedia. I've left an explanation of this on your talk page. Have a nice day. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:15, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I have to wonder how in the world you managed to get wind of that thread, on an internal noticeboard that pretty much no one reads outside of people concerned with BLPs, and which will be archived soon, never to be seen again. If you're so worried about something like that (assuming someone would actually consider it 'defamation'), I'd have to wonder what you'll do the first time someone really decides to question your credentials. Looks like you've been taking your own material a bit too seriously my good sir. But good luck with that. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 08:43, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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break

MisTemPest is a biased user and is relentlessly trying to erase links to reliable websites that contain information regarding an important fact about Ms. Reed's life. To delete it would be to withhold information from wikipedia's encyclopedic community -- Ms. Magazine is credited as a source in many wikipedia pages. This information adhere's to wikipedias core content policies; it is neutral in tone, verifiably coming from a sound source, and is not an original research allegation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.155.173.245 (talk) 06:00, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

There is a discussion at WP:BLP/N, I suggest you comment there instead. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 06:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Kenny Anderson

I have not a clue as to what is going on at this BLP, but I hope this is on your watchlist.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  01:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

It is. Long story short, IP insists on adding personal information about the guy, including details about infidelities, how many women, how many kids with how many women... etc. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 02:42, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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Follow up on Ping Fu

Hi there FreeRangeFrog, last month you and I discussed my new draft for the article for Ping Fu on the BLPN page. As we discussed, an editor who was active in reviewing the draft, Majiaerhao, moved several sections of my draft into the live article, and I was still looking for an editor to move over the Career and Awards and recognition sections, as well as the updated infobox and introduction. As I've not yet found anyone to look at moving these remaining sections, would you be willing to take a look and move these over if you feel comfortable doing so? Here's the link to the draft again: User:16912_Rhiannon/Ping_Fu. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 17:52, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Done! Sorry about that, I completely forgot. I went over both sections and I think they are fine, wording and reference-wise. Thanks again for following COI so diligently. If you need anything else, let me know. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 18:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks so much, FreeRangeFrog! Would you mind editing the references section of the live article to add in the full reference for Bend, Not Break? Here's the markup:

{{refbegin}} *{{cite book |first=Ping |last=Fu |coauthors=MeiMei Fox |title=Bend, Not Break: A Life in Two Worlds|publisher=Portfolio Hardcover|pages=288 |ISBN=978-1591845522 |year=2012 |ref=harv}} {{refend}}

I think that the references section now doesn't need the warning tag, but up to you whether to leave that or remove it. Also, what do you think about updating the introduction and infobox per the ones in my draft? In particular, I noticed that the intro in the live article says that Ping is "American" rather than "Chinese-American". Thanks again for your help. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 14:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by the full reference, I don't see one for that source there? §FreeRangeFrog^croak 05:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I think maybe I wasn't very clear: when I was working on the draft I used references to individual pages in Bend, Not Break for citations inline, which turn up in the References section as "Fu (2012, p. 255)" etc. So that the full details of the book appear in the references, the markup above needs to be added into the references section. Does that make more sense? Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 15:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I'll have to work it into the article though, because none of the other references use that citation style. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 17:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

You can just add the markup I provided above to the bottom of the references section and that should work (see how I did it in the draft). I don't usually use this style of reference, but I thought it would be helpful here since editors and readers can more clearly see the exact page / page range being cited. It really only applies to books or other long form references and is a good way of citing individual pages, without having all the details of the book appear in the citation each time. And I checked, there's no other citations to Bend, Not Break that would need to be updated to be consistent to this style. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 19:22, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, done! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 06:47, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much for all your help! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 20:22, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Windows Phone 8 Missing features official page

Please, explain why you do not want to have a line explaining the existence of an official Microsoft approved web page where users can submit, vote and review missing features. Otherwise I will have to revert your removal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.137.175.48 (talk) 12:51, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

List of newspapers in India by readership

This page is written and maintained by me. You are welcome to contribute and improve it but do not vandalize.Luckydhaliwal (talk) 21:39, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

First, please familiarize yourself with this and this. Second, I fixed a link, from this to this, which is the correct one. Instead of simply adding three words to my revision, you simply reverted my changes. So, just fix the link. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 21:50, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I have already written that everyone is welcome to contribute and improve, so there is no point of owning any article and even if I had not written it is known that everyone can edit any article. But I would like to tell you that it is difficult maintaining a page because anyone comes and edits anything. Most common example is that of adding for promotion. One day someone removed all the regional language names and in fact it is not the English names that are printed on actual newspapers but it is the regional name, so you can imagine the blunder. You also changed the name from DNA to Daily News And Analysis but the actual name printed on Newspaper is DNA,so I reverted it back. Second time you reverted all my changes which was wrong. This time you made a good edit by correcting the link and I thank you for that. If you felt bad I apologise to you and would like to tell that it was not intentional. Hope to see more contributions from you to the article.Luckydhaliwal (talk) 07:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

That's fine, but your first revert was incorrect. When you revert to undo vandalism or invalid edits, you need to examine the changes others have made to the article, not just yours, since yours are not the only possibly valid edits. And you need to be careful when throwing around words like "vandalism" and reverting again without examining what the problem is. Those are the kinds of things are put off potential contributors. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 22:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

How does Article Elizabeth Stratford fail on notability and bio? She has been discussed in articles by local and national press, on bbc1 television programmes and in a book published by Positif Press. All of these have been written independently. Admittedly some are now 10-12 years old and not found online. She is the first woman to hold the senior cathedral music post in this country yet Katherine Dienes and Sarah Baldock who have similar careers have not had their pages deleted or failed criteria under notability or biography yet Stratford came first. Cliel7 (talk) 01:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Lundy murders

Hi FRF, are you willing to revert NVTrav's post about Nigel Latta's diagnosis of "limb specific grief" on the Murders of Christine and Amber Lundy page. If I do it he will just edit war it back. Offender9000 (talk) 04:48, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

No, see the discussion at WP:BLP/N. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 06:53, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

hi!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.145.120.200 (talk) 19:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with updating FEI logo :)

Winniepei (talk) 05:18, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

No problem, glad to help. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 06:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

thanks

for reviewing Gerris_(software)

whynot (talk) 16:51, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

ACC application

Having looked through things i have so far found only one concern. You do not meet WP:ACC/G#Qualifications for using the interface number 1. Perhaps we are dealing with a clerical delay in receipt of your ID by WMF staff and the list being updated. Right now ACC isn't too busy so there isn't a need to rush if you forgot. Given how demand can change on any day when a school has 30 or 50 requests for an assignment and the potential for people to be available to handle those only improves with more members. delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 00:58, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

No, actually I have not done that. My apologies, I didn't realize that was one of the requirements. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 04:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I suppose it would be something like how i just realised in checking for your reply that i never actually completed the last sentence i was writing. I had been distracted and when i realised i had forgotten to save the note simply appended . ~~~~ and saved. Some days are slow and at sometimes random instances it gets very busy and having more people able to help is a good thing. The ID is very much mandatory. Some people don't like that and if you are so disposed then that is fine. Otherwise a quick scan or picture emailed today should be read and have you added to the list on Monday. Cheers delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 19:48, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually I was sort of absentmindedly trying to help someone who wrote to OTRS with an account-related issue, not so much trying to get into the whole account creation thing. Didn't realize the reqs were strict, but of course that makes sense. The OTRS folks are aware of my IRL ident, so I'd see no problem with formalizing that. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 20:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Now i am feeling a bit confused. It seems like both a declaration of misunderstanding but belated acceptance of the requirements and yet also a withdrawal of application. I gave it a few days to see if you would be added to the m:Identification noticeboard and since that hasn't happened i thought to ask what you are wanting. A simple note indicating so would resolve the confusion.
The WMF has grouped Account Creation in with Oversight and CheckUser with regards to private information and so does require more than is asked for when joining OTRS. Don't ask me why OTRS is less strict. delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 19:14, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for the back and forth. I've now sent the identification request to the Foundation, and hopefully we'll see my account added to the noticeboard soon. Thank you for your patience!! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 20:47, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I have approved you. If you can come by the IRC channel that is best, especially for probies who are still familiarising themselves with everything and can sometimes require assistance. #wikipedia-en-accounts-unreg is where you would need to go at first because the active channel is invite-only and i have no idea what your IRC nick might be if you even have one. I would guess that OTRS might have something similar in place so maybe you are familiar with this. There is also the mailing list to be subscribed to but that can be more easily addressed with the real-time conversing on IRC. The most important thing is that we are there to help people who for various reasons ask for help. (Many hate the CAPTCHA or want a user name similar to an existing one.) The second most important thing is to know and follow the guide. This morning was fairly busy but right now it is quite slow so it might take a bit to find one to work through with you. delirious & lost ☯ ^~hugs~ 22:32, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again. I did try to log in without success, even attempted a password reset (which seemed to work) but no joy. I get "User account is not identified. Please email accounts-enwiki-l@lists.wikimedia.org if you believe this is in error.". I did log into IRC, my nick on FreeNode is also FreeRangeFrog and I have a standard WP cloak. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 22:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Cookies!

	Here's a plate full of cookies to share!
	Hi FreeRangeFrog/Archive 5, here are some delicious cookies to help brighten your day! However, there are too many cookies here for one person to eat all at once, so please share these cookies with at least two other editors by copying {{subst:Sharethecookies}} to their talk pages. Enjoy! Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 19:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Like Thanks Sue! It's been a while, glad to see you back! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 20:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I never left Wikipedia, just moved my activities to the ACC tool, and leave the drama-fests. :) I see you are there too. Congrats! It's a big responsibility! --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 18:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks! It's going to help with some of the OTRS stuff as well. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

How did you get into OTRS? I keep applying, and keep getting turned down. Is there some secret? --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 22:53, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, you don't know the Secret Handshake??? No idea, I just applied and got in. Nothing special in the way of requirements that I can see, other than a lot of experience with WP, which you have. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 18:38, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Angelo Antonio Toriello

Hello. As I'm not an expert user I'm just pasting what I wrote to MBisanz talk page. I got your talk page link by browsing the net. Below this is what I exchanged with MBisanz user. See if you could help. Thanks

Hi. Somebody could help to submit this note to the right administrators which have deleted Angelo Antonio Toriello article as their decision was not correct and as I'm new to this I don't know how to submit my request properly. Anyway, I was attending a conference on Africa and among many representative ambassador of different African countries was the ambassador at large of São Tomé &'Prinvipe Angelo Anttonio Toriello. During the conference then I googled his name just to see who was he as what he was stating was interesting, and among so many links I came across these links of deletion of his article which I think is incorrect, that's why I messaged you editors so you can check the person status on these link of the guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/the-report.

Hello MBisanz as I do not know how to submit an article, I took sometime before to reply you because I have gone through all this ambassador at-large Angelo Antonio Toriello article for deletion case. I see many defaults in it from the author side and editors side. But of course in the end of the day it is you EXPERT editors whom got the monopoly of it and therefore the final decision.....so just nothing new. Final decision is always in the hands of who in one or another way holds and controls power, either at the small or big games level; it doesn't matter! So lets stop these crapping about wikipedia FREE encyclopaedia. Said that let me tel my points although it doesn't matter to you EXPERT editors. DrKlain user in the end has resulted to being too pathetic because personally involved rather to stick to the Wikipedia guidelines, although he has submitted some true questions which haven't been answer by none of you EXPERT editors. User WikiDan61 a certain point became discriminative without proper graphic expertise and a fair investigation (as DrKlain user was saying just by seating at home and browsing Internet as it is a bible where to find the absolute truth about someone or something) by accusing the ambassador to be a big hoax just because some flicker pictures on the net were edited and the same of self publishing them without any doubt as he holds evidences of what he is stating. WikiDan61 please provide evidences of such accusation because one thing is to preserve Wikipedia from crap contents and which I fully support it, and another thing is to ruthlessly keep accusing someone to be a hoax. I have graphic expertise and gone through the pictures you pointed photoshopped which portrays Toriello in 30s poses. About these you are right. But about all others pictures and videos in the net portraying the ambassador in his official meeting with some other personalities, you are absolutely wrong as there is not sign of altering effects, may be just light, contrast and colour adjustment filters. In regards of the self publishing, anyone of his entourage could have open an account or start a website, but that doesn't mean that Toriello is directly or personally doing it even though he is the founder of those, in the same way that although Wikipedia was founded by Jimmy Wales doesn't mean that he is the responsible of its content. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us). Therefore you EXPERT editors try to be more neutral and respectful by sticking to your noble duties for contrasting rubbishness to preserve Wikipedia guidelines more than being ruddily judgemental as all the knowledge is in your hands. If some article doesn't much Wikipedia guidelines..... fine mate, delete it, but I don't see the reason of accusing people??? Who the hell are you people? Depository of truth or what? Anyway in the case of Toriello although the many inconsistencies there are few links which are an independent source of achievements and which you stubbornly refuse to accept them as genuine because of your prejudices towards the guy, rejecting all good about him but instead just demolishing those by stating: "I don't know how Toriello could manage to be published in some Indian webside with Sonia Gandhi, or on the APA news agency?" That's really discriminative mates!!!! WikiDan61 what about this link from The Guardian then? (http://www.theguardian.co.uk/the-report) Even this is fake? I read that FreeRangeFrog user stated that the only fact that an independent and reliable source of achievements would have proved that Toriello was an ambassador at-large of São Tomé, that would have been enough to let the article be published as it was matching the Wikipedia notability's guidelines. Are not The Guardian and APA African news agency reliable enough? I know that you EXPERT users won't take in consideration points from people like me but I hope that at least you will neutrality take in evaluation these links and do justice to the guy as no matter of what I was there attending the conference and witnessed the status of his position among other people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.55.39.39 (talk) 16:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello again MBisanz, though I don't agree with your decision to stick to your position about Angelo Antonio Toriello's deletion case, but I respect it, but i would like to highlight again the point that the guy circumstances have changed as there are at least 2 reliable sources for independent verification of achievements and notability according FreeRangeFrog user. Actually the guardian link itself is more than reliable to empower you EXPERT editors to revert back the decision in the same way you have implemented it. In fact, where are now WikiDan61, DrKlain, FreeRangeFrog? Why they don't comment on it? And where are some other EXPERT editors to cast their opinion and help to clear this case in neutral and unprejudiced manner? I understand that is not a easygoing case and in fact myself I would been skeptical if I was not there present at the conference where African ambassadors gathered together and Toriello was among them, but we are talking about the guardian here mates!! Anyway I don't have to convince anyone as the links itself confirm the status of the person, and though difficult for me I will try to seek review at your suggested link if no one will come to help. Pleas help me as well to contact the above users. Thanks mate! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.55.2.80 (talk) 13:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC) MBisanz I tried to seek review of the Angelo Antonio Toriello article but it's to damn complex and moreover I don't have much information about the person. Could you or someone at least help to retrieve back the previous cancelled article so I could submit a new one or could DrKlain help to have it as he was the submitting user of the article? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.255.7 (talk) 13:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.241.33 (talk)

Yes, given the new source and the fact that The Guardian is considered a reliable source, I recreated the article: Angelo Antonio Toriello. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 17:01, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello FreeRangeFrog and thanks for your help. Please could you help me to get in touch with DrKlain user who initially wrote the Toriello article, as I could not get hold of him through a link. May be I could inform him about your action and he could resubmit the article. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.241.254 (talk) 19:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I cannot help you in contacting an editor, if they're not monitoring their talk page and didn't associate an email address with their account then there's no way to do so. As to the previous version of the article, I would not recommend using it as a starting point at all. It was sourced almost entirely to a website that seemed to have a connection with Mr. Torrielo, which is what we call a 'primary source' and is highly discouraged. It was also not something we consider a reliable source. So it's best to just build on the existing stub. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again mate and I will keep in mind your advices. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.7.6 (talk) 20:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello FreeRangeFrog. I got the chance to get hold of DrKlain user who wrote the first article about Toriello but although he has a lot of information about the guy he said that these could not be of use to expand the article as all he got are not publishied in Internet sources and then not verifiable, as most are original printed newspaper of the time when these stories about the guy were happening. Because these old cuts are not even archived in these newspapers webside. DrKlain user has accepted to let me see these original newspaper cuts who said he has scanned on paradox webside, which although founded by Toriello, it is independent from him. Sort of like James Walles has founded Wikipedia but he is not responsible for its content! In short, there is anyway to make use of these original newspaper cuts to expand Toriello article? I appreciate for your advice again. Thanks mate! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.209.85 (talk) 09:37, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

You can use any reliable source at all. The problem the last time around was that we were expected to accept Mr. Torrielo's notability based on information from a site obviously dedicated to him. But now that notability has been established via a secondary source, that's no longer a problem. Newspaper articles are fine. Just make sure you review the citing guidelines. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 16:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

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Gene Clark

Somebody removed 60% of the article. In its present state (as reverted by you and another user) it's obviously missing that portion of the article because the 60% that was removed was obviously vandalization of the article. I restored it so it makes sense, and yet you and someone else keep reverting it back to the vandalized version because you're asking for a citation for the reverting I did. What's the point other than some B.S. Wikipedia power-struggle edit war issue that I'm painfully unaware of?68.207.148.21 (talk) 01:41, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

There is a very specific definition of vandalism, I suggest you familiarize yourself with it before using the term. As to the article, anyone may challenge and remove any unsourced material from any article, and that's exactly what happened here. It can be restored, but all you need to do is find sources for it. The key here is verifiablity, not truth or personal narratives or experiences. You could have sourced two of those paragraphs by the time it took you to type this. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 16:40, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Liber Regalis

Hi FreeRangeFrog, I recently created the Liber Regalis article and it came up on my notification feed that you'd reviewed it. I was wondering if you had any feedback, comments? If so, thanks and I hope maybe you learned something new from my article. --Andrew 23:17, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I thought it was very interesting, lots of potential there. I enjoy seeing these types of articles coming into the review queue, because mostly I see punk records, corporate spam and the-rapper-in-vogue articles :) Looking forward to seeing it expand. Maybe there are some images of the actual document that are public domain and could be uploaded to Commons? Have you looked for some? §FreeRangeFrog^croak 00:30, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh hey, check this out! §FreeRangeFrog^croak 00:36, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks very much, these look as though they could be very useful --Andrew 14:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hi. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you comment at this discussion regarding a source's reliability? It involves a self-published source's use in a featured-BLP article. Dan56 (talk) 01:39, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Robert A. J. Gagnon

Thanks for your help so far; I think there might be a 3RR violation, and I could use another insight in a discussion on the talk page. jj (talk) 13:16, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

 Done Reverted again and left a message in the talk page explaining primary sources. Let's hope they rent a clue this time. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 17:23, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Please have a check of the updated talk page. Thanks.Henrybish (talk) 18:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you have seen my reply on the Rob Gagnon page dated 20:23, 14 June 2013 (UTC). Please indicate your agreement/disagreement with it so we can progress. Thanks.Henrybish (talk) 21:06, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

New edit up; your advice would be welcome. jj (talk) 15:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Gbawden. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Berge Emperor, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Gbawden (talk) 10:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Message from Ruth DiTucci

I am moving the following from your talk page to here, where it belongs. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for contacting me. The episode itself "is" the reliable source. In the United States, when a licensed attorney makes a statement whether in a court room or a public forum, his or her license affirms the deposition. This case is doubly compelling as the attorney that handled this case also happens to hold a doctorate in the area of DNA and genomes.

In this segment, said attorney Dr. Blaine Bettinger explains how DNA works (in all cases including this one) and he knows of this case because he contacted the party himself. She did not contact him. He invited the granddaughter of Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz to be examined for comparison. The DNA test has been completed and approved.

Since the granddaughter is not seeking any involvement (financial or otherwise) from the publicized Arnaz family members, she is not violating any clauses left in Lucille Ball or Desi Arnaz's wills. She has every right to publicize her DNA results even if the original identified members of the family do not like it because it makes them look ridiculous. Her genetic makeup is not her fault - it is factual and proven.

The members of the family that are publicized such as Lucille Arnaz Jr. and her brother Desi Arnaz whom are uncle and aunt, and Julia Arnaz (whom was recognized through the efforts of her cousin Cassandria Lucianna Arnaz Carlson) have enjoyed 50 years of privacy. It is now time to release those sworn to secrecy from their verbal commitments. We cannot continue to force a proven family member to continue living in hiding merely because it is socially more appealing to the others.

What Wikipedia is doing now, is no different than when Encyclopedia Britannica would refuse to identify black children fathered by white senators and congressmen so as to not embarrass the men's white relatives and their standing in their white communities.

She is an Arnaz as has been proven so by her DNA whether her aunt and uncle and other family members like it or not. If Wikipedia chooses to be an archive then it must also archive information that is unpopular or undesirable to others. Steve Jobs spent 25 years of his daughter's life refusing to acknowledge her and Wikipedia posted the actuality anyway. Clint Eastwood refused to acknowledge 5 or 6 of his children until they were in their early or mid twenties to avoid child support (hence he spent 20 years doing spaghetti westerns) and Wikipedia still acknowledged those children and their mothers whether Clint Eastwood liked it or not. So too are you obligated to act in this case.

The subject of this story, has been more than kind, gracious and patient. What more proof does Wikipedia need than an attorney with a PhD in genomes and DNA? We asked him to do the show because he was the best qualified since he is the attorney and DNA expert involved in this case.

It's time for Wikipedia to do the right thing and stop hurting this family member simply because it is popular and easy. My name is Ruth DiTucci and you can reach me at 321 506 4054. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.119.179.63 (talk • contribs) 10:29, 13 June 2013

Your edits are being reverted because you lack reliable sources for the claims. What you have there is not that. So if you want this information added to the article, you must find multiple reliable secondary sources that cover it. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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Attack of the machines!

Thanks for cleaning up that false-positive for me. It didn't occur to me at the time that removing about 70 kb of data from a page might set something off. :D --Ejl389 (talk) 19:16, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Those bots can be a bit zealous at times §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:47, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

hello

Hi could you remove the banner to remove a Yo soy Choncha article?, And added references, already met the standards toidas Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovelky18881 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

No, and if you continue to remove it your account may be blocked for disruptive editing. The banner makes no difference whatsoever to the deletion discussion, so removing it doesn't make the problem go away. You can post your concerns in the deletion discussion page if you wish, but stop removing the banner. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:53, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Self revert

[1], [2] Edit requests for fully protected pages must be handled by an administrator and he has to be uninvolved per WP:INVOLVED. You're not one admin. You don't have the user right to perform this edit or decide upon it yet. You may comment on it but cannot reject it. In case you're alluding to the original closer, RegentsPark claimed here that "Mrt is right and I shouldn't have closed it. I wasn't thinking."
Hence I will suggest you self-revert or I will be forced to (reluctantly!) report you. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 05:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I believed Redrose64 was the admin that rejected the request. Nevermind then, I rolled back my edit. Thanks for letting me know. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 05:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually Redrose64 is an administrator, so therefore the response to the edit request was well within his capabilities to edit the article (or not). §FreeRangeFrog^croak 05:41, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 05:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Recent AN/I thread

Hi FRF: this. Please let me know if I can help in any way. Of course, I am not a lawyer for Wikipedia purposes (heck, I'm not much of one off-wiki, either) but I thought my response in that area was OK. And about musical techniques: I don't know whether you're au fait with the rock guitarist technique the "pinch harmonic"... but violinists have been using the very same thing for centuries, called the "artificial harmonic". And here's plenty of lovely examples, from a performance of Bartok's Romanian Folk Dances, one of my favourite pieces of music. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:47, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, much appreciated. Right now I'm giving it a few hours for the person to cool down a bit, and I'd rather resolve without getting into who patented what. Clearly there is prior art here and the Chapman bio cannot realistically claim he invented the technique. I feel this is ultimately the sticking point, and I've amended it to reflect that, but we'll see. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 16:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)