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January 2017 at Women in Red

January 2017
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Happy 2017!

Wishing good health and happiness as we start the new year! --Rosiestep (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: THANK YOU!! So lovely to get. You too! ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 20:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Gertrude Kelly

On 5 January 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gertrude Kelly, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Irish immigrant, anarchist, strike organiser, and New York surgeon Gertrude Kelly is commemorated by a children's park in Chelsea, Manhattan? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gertrude Kelly. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Gertrude Kelly), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

@Maile66: Excellent news. Missed it on the day but lovely to know. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 20:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Totally chuffed

My Gertrude Kelly DYK was visible on the 6th of Jan which is Women's Christmas AND it surpassed 5,000 views on the day. I am delighted by both these things. Either would be a cause enough for joy. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 21:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

My prizes

The fabulous books I got as prizes from the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland/WLM Ireland 2016 Writing Contest

• W. J. Brennan Whitmore (2013). With the Irish in Frongoch. Mercier Press, Limited. ISBN 978-1-78117-167-7.
• Tim Pat Coogan (7 July 2016). 1916: The Easter Rising. Orion. ISBN 978-1-4746-0508-3.

As well as a cool Wiki book bag, pen and magnet.

Wonderful prizes. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 18:03, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Janet O'Sullivan.jpg

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Thanks Amanda - I was under the impression an email from the owner had been sent. I will chase up on that. I have a Facebook message giving permission. I guess I could forward a screen shot of that if nothing else? ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 16:09, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Sadly that won't be valid for permission. The way that people can fake profiles these days (not to say you would) puts us in a very awkward legal position if we accept it. A direct email from the owner is the best way to proceed. I also actively process the tickets that come into the queue so i'll keep an eye out. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 16:17, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Amanda, I can confirm the account is valid. I have met her which is why I have the account on facebook, my FB rules are that I have to have met you in person (with a handful of exceptions...). But of course I could be lying and you can't tell that either. I've sent her a note asking her to email the address above. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 16:23, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I absolutely trust you as an 18k editor and would accept it, but it's mostly the Wikimedia Foundation's skin that's on the line if there is ever a court case over it (people have filed for less), so that's why I have to be so thorough in verification. Plus not to mention they could target me for some kind of damages. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 16:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Amanda Try Ticket 2017011710013653 or 2017011710014091 - Janet sent me a simple line saying she approves the photo for Wikipedia which I have forwarded with the facebook information and agreement for use (I hope). Thanks for your help. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 16:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Your deprecation of my edit

I noticed you deprecated (log) a revision (diff) I made at KT Tunstall. First things first: a deprecation is not a revert. Unapproving an edit only pushes it back in the pending queue; editors are not notified when their changes are deprecated; and your fellow reviewers are highly unlikely to see your review notes—in practice, a deprecation only serves to hide changes until another reviewer approves them.

Now, as to the substance, did you read my edit summary? NOTBROKEN ("Do not 'fix' links to redirects that are not broken") is a guideline—something you are expected to follow in mine run cases, see GUIDES—and it explicitly rejects your idea about piped links. As it explains, linking to a redirect instead of piping facilitates usage tracking, eases maintenance, and simplifies editing markup. If you disagree with this conclusion, you should open a discussion to change the guideline. Thank you. Rebbing 21:32, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I believe in not biting newbies. The edit was valid if unnecessary, the editor relatively new. So I approved it and left it, it didn't damage the article. You reverted it on the grounds of not broken. I didn't want to directly revert you, Rebbing, but I felt it was unnecessary so I put it back in the queue for someone else to review. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 22:45, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't believe in biting anyone, but the IP's edit was not merely unnecessary but actually contrary to our guideline concerning redirects; my revert was appropriate, and there would have been no legitimate reason to undo it. Your deprecation of my approval of my own guidelines-based edit intending that someone else might revert me comes across as passive-aggressive and sneaky; the reviewer right is not to be used to gain an advantage in disputes. I can tell you, as someone who has a little more experience with the right than you, that the only result this sort of behavior will produce is confusion, irritation, and the possible removal of your bit. Rebbing 23:52, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah - that put me off editing for a while. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 01:34, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

February 2017 at Women in Red

February 2017
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reference for rehab engineering article

hey, saw the 'citaton needed' claim in the article where it says that web access is also a topic in rehab engineering. heres a book you can use for citation or just list as a reference!

heres the link: https://books.google.at/books?id=DejKBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA306&lpg=PA306&dq=Engineering+Rehabilitation+web+access&source=bl&ots=fU07nnmIb8&sig=xmRE7mbCuag4hCphesUbfFcSx_o&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-_rSqvO3RAhVTsBQKHdWSC3EQ6AEIIDAC

mfg, toffer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8388:4000:7380:D10E:A045:B78A:F3FF (talk) 23:04, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

March 2017 at Women in Red

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Precious anniversary

A year ago ...

historic portraits of women
... you were recipient no. 1352 of Precious, a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Arendt. I didn't realise it was a year ago - I was very happy to get this and today I started as new job it's particularly nice to be reminded.

April events at Women in Red

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Hello from Shir-El too...

I received a messge that someone has, supposedly, altered an article I am unfamiliar with from my IP address.

Since my computer has only been out of my possession for a repair, since I DO NOT save my passwords on it and since, under normal circumstances, I am the ONLY user with access to my computer, EITHER the repairman abused his trust or someone has COUNTERFITED my IP address.

Please specify dates of this infraction, so that I can pinpoint which possiblity it is. Cheers, Shir-El too 20:02, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

PS The IP address quoted in your message DOES NOT appear in the article's history. ARE YOU THE TROLL? Shir-El too 20:13, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Shir-El too Since I don't know your IP address and see your name here - I don't know which edit you are talking about? I addressed 2 IP edits recently - is it one of these or another - also, it is unfriendly to accuse another long term editor of being a troll without more evidence than an message about an IP address. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 07:49, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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Question about peer or earl

Thank you for your message about Mary Stanley. My reasoning was that, if the wives of peers are not categorised in the same stub categories as their husbands, then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_nobility_stubs would have to contain 25 different sorts of wives - i.e. duchesses, marchionesses, countesses, viscountesses and baronesses in the peerages of Engalnd, Scotland, Great Britain, Ireland and the UK. While there are 25 separate categories for their husbands. As stated in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting#Why_is_stub_sorting_important.3F "stub categories attract experts in specific areas (chemists can see chemistry stubs for example)". I suggest that Mary Stanley is more likely to receive attention from an expert if she is in the same category as her husband, than if she is in Category:British_nobility_stubs. I agree that the logical consequence of my suggestions is that each of the 25 peer categories should be amended so that it refers also to peeresses - eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Peerage_of_England_duke_stubs would read "This category is for stub articles relating to dukes *and duchesses* of the Peerage of England. May I seek your opinion on where would be the most appropriate place to propose this? Alekksandr (talk) 18:54, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

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Speaking of the List of fictional characters with disabilities

I noodled up a version of your article that's in table form so it can be sorted (by work, by medium, by refs existing, etc etc). It's sitting at User:Premeditated Chaos/sandbox 3 - thoughts? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:38, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Oooh! that's lovely! Wow. Well done. Premeditated Chaos! Yes, I think you could just drop it into the page entirely.. - Only addition I can think of is to add a sortable column of what the disability type is so that if someone is looking for "disability like mine" they can quickly find it? This is an area I'm not hugely familiar with but thought would be handy for people looking for other people with disabilities in fiction... ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 19:02, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, that's good too, saves having to explain it in the notes. I think in that case I'll merge the notes/refs column into one to save room. I also kind of want to have a separate column for medium so you can sort by work/series/universe and by medium as well. I'm glad you liked it, I didn't want to just dump it on your article all willy-nilly and confuse or possibly upset you. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:07, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes! As someone on the talk page noted it's missing the literature genre at the moment. Mostly because when I started I was rooting through those I knew and any who came up while I looked them up to check I had it right.... ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 19:10, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh and Premeditated Chaos the note worked so well. I might well have been piqued at such an overhaul but it is such a good idea. I try not to 'own' pages but I'm only human ;-) ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 19:15, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh totally, especially if you've done a lot of work on something. I have a couple of pages that I started where I would be more than a little salty if someone went and overhauled them without so much as pinging me. I'm wondering if some of these categories wouldn't be better served with split-off lists eventually. Category:Fictional characters with disability has quite a few sub-categories with lots of entries. Anyway sorry for the long gap there, I had to be offline briefly, but I'll go ahead and copy the table version over into the mainspace. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:00, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Excellent (yes, I was afk for a while too). Honestly I started the list then got uncertain about it so put it in for AfC and forgot all about it. Now I get to try remember where I was and pick up and run with it. :-D ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 07:37, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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You asked for my opinion. This is not policy. This is my own idealistic view of living with Wikipedia. There are 25m + articles and 5m + of them are in English. A proportion of these have errors. A very small percentage have errors that I could spot. One of the errors in one article is due to an editor who thinks that they must be right and they are willing to play games to keep their opinion as the correct way in that article. Luckily Wikipedia has procedures that over months that will control editors who cannot agree, but I will need to invest a lot of time to get that help. Where should I place the majority of my efforts? I think that the "small percentage [with] errors that I [can] spot" times 5 million is a lot of (very productive) work. The one article that has a problematic editor can takes it turn? Victuallers (talk) 23:04, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@Victuallers: So I should let it be and wait for time to do its job in correcting it? (Opinion, not policy) In slang - 'chill'? ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 20:09, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

That's my suggestion. If you look at how you can be most productive and avoid damage from arguing with someone who enjoys stress more than you. Thats not to say that you I would stand by whilst someone adds that JFK's other killer has been found. But if someone wants to change someone's birthyear fron 1870s to 1873 (without a citation) then there are bigger errors to fix (if they refuse to listen). However if you want to proceed then we can Victuallers (talk) 22:49, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

IPBE request

Hi -- I'm terribly sorry for the delay in responding to your email, but sometimes things get lost on the functionaries list. :-/

I see you're able to edit normally now, but I've granted you an IPBE so this doesn't happen again. The range from which you were editing has a very active sockmaster that uses that network from time to time and I can't change that block, but I can fix it so it doesn't affect you.

If there's anything else I can do, you can contact us again or email me, and I'll do what I can. Thanks for your patience, and I apologize again. Katie^talk 12:10, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

KrakatoaKatie Thank you. No worries - I am well aware how long it can take when there is so much to cover. I have been able to edit from any location except that IP. But if this works it will be excellent. Thanks for your help. I'll be giving it a shot after Christmas. Have a good holiday. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 13:00, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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Help or suggestions, please...

Hello! I added information from The BMJ to the article Man flu, which was immediately catergorized a 'spoof' by another user. To clarify the issue I contacted The BMJ directly and received an email confirmation that the article in question was for real and based on current, published research.

I took the item seriously because of recent reports of medical and pharmaceutical information being seriously biased due to single-gender studies and testing - most often to the detriment of women. Now a bot has demanded a sitation for my revision and I don't know how to deal with it.

Any suggestions? Cheers! and SEASON'S GREETINGS!!! Shir-El too 06:19, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Shir-El too The bot is merely cleaning up the tag. The BMJ supposedly writes spoof articles at Christmas - so the question is whether or not this article is a spoof or not. The term man-flu usually isn't serious so it needs a good citation to show that the article is not a spoof. If you have that evidence, you can go back and show that the article is not a spoof.....The problem with the email confirmation is that it isn't public. If the BMJ for example had a website where they confirmed the information either way - or even a confirmed twitter account which stated it? Worst case you could ask an administrator if there is a way to use the email to confirm it, though I don't see that working. I'll read the rest of the article - but asking for a citation is usually fair enough - and an email to you rarely counts. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 16:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

In fact a quick online search shows that your best bet is to find sources which support the science behind the article or the BMJ's spoof articles. Basically don't give up on finding other supporting citations. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 16:43, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hi -- I'm terribly sorry for the delay in responding to your email, but sometimes things get lost on the functionaries list. :-/

I see you're able to edit normally now, but I've granted you an IPBE so this doesn't happen again. The range from which you were editing has a very active sockmaster that uses that network from time to time and I can't change that block, but I can fix it so it doesn't affect you.

If there's anything else I can do, you can contact us again or email me, and I'll do what I can. Thanks for your patience, and I apologize again. Katie^talk 12:10, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

KrakatoaKatie Thank you. No worries - I am well aware how long it can take when there is so much to cover. I have been able to edit from any location except that IP. But if this works it will be excellent. Thanks for your help. I'll be giving it a shot after Christmas. Have a good holiday. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 13:00, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Help or suggestions, please...

Hello! I added information from The BMJ to the article Man flu, which was immediately catergorized a 'spoof' by another user. To clarify the issue I contacted The BMJ directly and received an email confirmation that the article in question was for real and based on current, published research.

I took the item seriously because of recent reports of medical and pharmaceutical information being seriously biased due to single-gender studies and testing - most often to the detriment of women. Now a bot has demanded a sitation for my revision and I don't know how to deal with it.

Any suggestions? Cheers! and SEASON'S GREETINGS!!! Shir-El too 06:19, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Shir-El too The bot is merely cleaning up the tag. The BMJ supposedly writes spoof articles at Christmas - so the question is whether or not this article is a spoof or not. The term man-flu usually isn't serious so it needs a good citation to show that the article is not a spoof. If you have that evidence, you can go back and show that the article is not a spoof.....The problem with the email confirmation is that it isn't public. If the BMJ for example had a website where they confirmed the information either way - or even a confirmed twitter account which stated it? Worst case you could ask an administrator if there is a way to use the email to confirm it, though I don't see that working. I'll read the rest of the article - but asking for a citation is usually fair enough - and an email to you rarely counts. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 16:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

In fact a quick online search shows that your best bet is to find sources which support the science behind the article or the BMJ's spoof articles. Basically don't give up on finding other supporting citations. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 16:43, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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