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What I couldn't see was ". But similar to Spain and Portugal." Thanks for cooperating. One problem with our articles on genetics is that (besides the articles themselves being cherry picked to make a point sometimes) editors often take material from within the article - to avoid interpreting the source ourselves we need to stick closely to what the summary or perhaps the discussion says. Some editors even avoid abstracts as they feel that not all abstracts are written or vetted by the authors of the study. Dougweller (talk) 17:55, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
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African Admixture edit
Cruciani et al. uses an outdated nomeclature for haplogroups.
Fraccalacci et all did not test Sardinians for M18.
The complete list.
http://i.imgur.com/pKVZW93.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RgbgHv_kjaM/UfrqDycy2LI/AAAAAAAAI_Y/Tuu8PiMoJZI/s1600/F1.large.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyc91 (talk • contribs) 10:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
- Yes but M18 derives from V-88 and the highest diversity and frequency of V-88 is found among Chadic speakers of Cameroon, so whatever spread that M18 in Sardinia and Corsica came from Cameroon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyc91 (talk • contribs) 10:50, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
- P25 mutated in V88 among Chadic Speakers of Cameroon, where the highest diversity of this haplogroup has been found.
- No, that is exactly incorrect; As Cruciani et al 2010 remarks In summary, our data indicate a significant male contribution from northern Africa (and ultimately Asia) to the gene pool of the central Sahel; One of highest diversity of V88 (V88*) is still in the Siwa Oasis (Berbers) Egypt further manifesting V88 origins outside sub-Sahara Africa in northern Africa with V88 ultimately stemming from <P25<M343 Eurasia (Cruciani Asia) to begin with; V88 and certain clades moved south into the Sahel region but M18 was definitely not one of them for it is completely absent in all of Africa; The most prominent subclade of R1b-V88 in sub-Sahara (Chadic speaking areas) is V69; At best M18 also originated in the Siwa Oasis from V88 and traveled north/west into the Mediterranean (Corsica, Sardinia, Lebanon) or it already originated in Lebanon (from V88) and traveled west into the Mediterranean; But what is very clear is that M18 is not (as you falsely assert) of a R1b-V88 clade from sub-Sahara Africa; It is from V88 of north Africa or Near East (deriving from P25<M343 Eurasia); Agilulf2007 (talk) 13:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
M18 derives from V88 and so from Chadic Speakers.
Lebanese have also African admixture from the slave trade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyc91 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
- M18 derives from V88. Not all V88 among Sub-Saharans is V69. For example in Ouldeme, Cameroon, V88* is found at the frequency of 95.5% and none of it is V69.
- At that you would also have to note the sample size; Some sample-sets are simply too low to make such definite conclusion; and the conclusion from Cruciani et al is that V88 migrated from northern Africa into the Sahal zone and given that its ancestors P25<M343 came from Eurasia (Cruciani Asia) one might well be believe it; Agilulf2007 (talk) 16:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Siwa Berbers are surely Bottle Necked and the V88 among them may be the result of back migration from Africa,since other Egyptians/Berbers carry neglibile amount of V88.
Joeyc91 (talk) 14:03, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
- We can't be 100% sure until further testing are done. But it's quite obvious that R1b-V88 arrived in Sardinia from a African source, so although it may not be Sub Saharan per se, it's surely African and then it should be included in this page about African admixture.
Joeyc91 (talk) 17:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
The testing that was done, however clearly indicates a (R1b) migration from Asia (P25<M343) and a zero presence i.e. complete absense of V88(M18) in all of Africa; Thus M18 (the only presence of R1b1c in Sardinia) has nothing to do with Africa; And what you claim to be 'obvious' is in fact (Cruciani et al 2010), simply false; So do correct your false edits; Agilulf2007 (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Then you could as well cancell the parf about the mtdna haplotype U6 which originated in Asia, spread to Africa and then to Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyc91 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
- No; because U6 has an African origin (all clades) M18 of V88 does not; You can Re-Read all my posts on the talk pages but if you dont get it than you dont get it; false info remains false info; Agilulf2007 (talk) 21:48, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
V18 is a subclade of V88, just like V69 and V35.
So if V88 is African as its highest diversity suggests, then also V18 is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyc91 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- Its M18 and not V18; And where is the highest diversity of M18? It cant be in Africa because it doesnt exist in Africa, it can only be in the three places so far located and that is Sardinia, Corsica and Lebanon (most likely Lebanon);
What is fact (Cruciani et al 2010) is that R1b-V88 originates from a migration of P25<M343 from Asia towards northern Africa and from there into the Sahal region (Cruciani et al 2010) with M18 (one of its subcaldes) having a zero presence (i.e. complete absenty) in All of Africa; Thus most likely already originating in the Near East (Levantine/Lebanon) from V88 on route to northern Africa; Because if it would have originated in Africa (like subclade V69) it would also be having a presence in Africa (like subclade V69) but it doesnt;
PS: if you are so fixated on high diversity, why dont you make the obvious case than that R1b(U152) is Italian? The highest diversity of U152* is in Italy and also the highest diversity of U152>L2* is in Italy and of many other U152 subclades (Z192*) as well; Agilulf2007 (talk) 10:13, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- Its M18 and not V18; And where is the highest diversity of M18? It cant be in Africa because it doesnt exist in Africa, it can only be in the three places so far located and that is Sardinia, Corsica and Lebanon (most likely Lebanon);
- I don't get your point. There is only R1b1c1/V18, no V18*/R1b1c1* has been found so far, so the V18 is a recent intruder in Sardinia, as there is no diversity at all.
Look at Y-DNA Haplogroup R and its Subclades from this website.
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html
R1b1c and R1b1c* have been found only in Africa. So R1b-V88 is of African origin.
R1b1c1/V18, R1b1c2/V35 and R1b1c3/V69 are subclades of African V88 so they are also of African origin.
I've read Cruciani et al. and there is nothing which say that V88 originated in Asia. V88 originated in Africa from Asian P25*, just by looking at its highest point of diversity.
Joeyc91 (talk) 11:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- When you say that R1b1c and R1b1c* have been found only in Africa. So R1b-V88 is of African origin than that is simply false; Because M18(<V88) was not found in Africa, because it does not exist in Africa; And Cruciani et al 2010 (read it again) clearly states an R1b migration from Asia into northern Africa and that M18 is completely absent in Africa, thus M18 and its ancestor V88 existed before entering northern Africa; The phylogenetic tree you posted is correct as are the trees in Cruciani et al 2010 (read it again) and further disprove your false assertions;
PS: Of course there is diversity in M18 (as there is diversity in V35 with V7 - tested in Cruciani et al 2010 / but not in your internet source), and when a scientist will eventually study and test the molecular diversity of/in M18 we will know the place of Origins - Lebanon, Corsica or Sardinia, but definitely not Africa because it doesnt even exist in Africa; To read Cruciani et al 2010 again; Agilulf2007 (talk) 11:48, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- When you say that R1b1c and R1b1c* have been found only in Africa. So R1b-V88 is of African origin than that is simply false; Because M18(<V88) was not found in Africa, because it does not exist in Africa; And Cruciani et al 2010 (read it again) clearly states an R1b migration from Asia into northern Africa and that M18 is completely absent in Africa, thus M18 and its ancestor V88 existed before entering northern Africa; The phylogenetic tree you posted is correct as are the trees in Cruciani et al 2010 (read it again) and further disprove your false assertions;
- Cruciani et al is a 5 years old study which uses a very old and incorrect nomeclature.
The correct nomeclature as for 2015 is in this page
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html
V18 is a subclade of V88 which originated in Africa, hence V18 is an African haplogroup.
Stop quoting old stuff from 2010 to win this argument.
Joeyc91 (talk) 12:08, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- False once again; Your internet page is not up to date for it doesnt even include V7 as a subclade V35; Cruciani et al 2010 on the other hand is an academic study and testing R1b1c(V88) specifically is thus more accurate and revealing; However both the phylogenetic tree at ISOGG and Cruciani et al 2010 are correct and disprove your false assertions; And in case you havent noticed both ISOGG and Cruciani et al identify the subclade as M18 not V18; Agilulf2007 (talk) 12:13, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- There is no V7 as for 2015. Stop living in 2010 with its wrond and outdated nomeclature. Cruciani et al points out that V88 mutated from asian P25*, but says nothing about the origin of V88. On the other hand the highest diversity of V88 is found in Africa, so it's an African haplogroup just like mtdna haplotypes M1 and U6. V18 is a subclade of African V88. There is no evidence as for 2015 that it originated in Lebanon or Sardinia.
Joeyc91 (talk) 12:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- And that is the same false nonsense over and over again; Just re-read all my posts on the talk pages and the academic study i cited; As for V7 of course V7 exists as a subclade of V35 academic fact since Cruciani et al 2010;
You looky looky: http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR10.html
http://vizachero.com/R1b1/R1btreev2.png Agilulf2007 (talk) 12:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- And that is the same false nonsense over and over again; Just re-read all my posts on the talk pages and the academic study i cited; As for V7 of course V7 exists as a subclade of V35 academic fact since Cruciani et al 2010;
- You sent me the link to the Isogtree of 2010, based on Cruciani et al.
You can only quote outdated and incorrect stuff from 2010, while all the evidence from 2015 supports my thesis.
Stop vandalizing the wikipedia page about African Admixture or I will report you to moderators.
Joeyc91 (talk) 12:39, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- Please contact the moderators;Agilulf2007 (talk) 12:42, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've deleted the part about R1b-V88 and added new stuff. Please read it before reverting the edit.
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Why do you cancell the map of Italic peoples from this article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_peoples
And what's the point in posting an debatable image about Italic languages in that article and not in this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_languages
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Before writing your comment on the talk page of the battle of Novara about Gaston Bodart, you could have at least taken 30 seconds to make a google search on him. You would have found that he was not French, since he was an Austrian military historian and statistician, and was an assistant commissioner of the Imperial and Royal Commission of Austria. Claiming that he did not make any research on the battle is pretty ludicrous, and his figures are widely used on Wikipedia for hundreds of battles. LaHire07 (talk) 22:44, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
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- I'll add my voice to this and ask you to please stop edit warring, as you appear to be doing on this article. So far three of us have expressed disagreement with your edit. That should be the time when you step back and reassess, not revert to restore your preferred version. Generalrelative (talk) 11:31, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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