Talk:Wendi Deng Murdoch

Wendi defends Rupert Murdoch during attack

Wendi Murdoch physically defended Rupert Murdoch from a paper plate covered with shaving foam attack during the special session of the Culture Media & Sport Committee hearing when a Left-Wing comedian by the name of 'Jonnie Marble's' attacked the 80-year old, you couldn't make it up.Twobells (talk) 16:29, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Notability

I suggest that this article does not meet the Wikipedia:Notability#Articles_not_satisfying_the_notability_guidelines. Being married to someone notable does not make someone ----Hemshaw (talk) 16:44, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. I've removed the tag. What a super woman! Egg Centric 18:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

It was premature to remove the tag.--Hemshaw (talk) 20:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

She is clearly wikipedia notable. Off2riorob (talk) 20:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

How?--Hemshaw (talk) 20:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

She leaps over the WP:GNG - Off2riorob (talk) 20:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Everyone who ever appeared in a US reality show is on here so the high-profile wife of one the world's biggest media barons must be notable by comparison. Piegate and a twitter storm make no difference one way or the other Allen Brown (talk) 20:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Were she not married to Murdoch, we might well not have heard of her. But the press discussion of her over the years has been extensive, and largely as a very shrewd and capable individual. Whether or not marriage was part of a career plan, she is reported to be a formidable member of the News Corp organisation. Watching the coverage of the Murdochs' appearance before the H of C Culture Media and Sport select committee today I was left in no doubt that she wields considerable influence - her body language, quite aside from her right hand when going to the defence of her husband, was worth watching. --AJHingston (talk) 20:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia criteria reads: Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person. A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.--Hemshaw (talk) 21:05, 19 July 2011 (UTC):::Who owns the sources used in this article. --Hemshaw (talk) 21:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Three users disagree with you - this external report from the article appears to be completely about her. if you still feel there is a problem then please nominate the article for deletion. See - WP:AFD - Off2riorob (talk) 21:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I've left Mr(s). Shaw a message in what I consider a diplomatic style. Now I must be off to the off licence before it shuts at 11. Egg Centric 21:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

It seems the article meets Wiki criteria. Wendi Deng Murdoch is very well known in the business world for much more than being married to Rupert Murdoch. The problem here is that the current article doesn't focus on her accomplishments. Some easy research and a simple rewrite should fix the problem. Malke 2010 (talk) 17:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Born in Xuzhou, Jiangsu (per box) or in Jinan, Shandong (per test body with cite)?

Born in Xuzhou, Jiangsu (per box) or in Jinan, Shandong (per test body with cite)? 99.56.121.121 (talk) 17:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Volleyball

According to the Telegraph, she's a champ v-ball player? [1]

Wendy Murdoch

Wendy Murdoch and other variations on her name should probably redirect here... Plenty of places (including reputable newspapers) call her "Wendy"; and "Mrs. Murdoch" is frequently used as well. 70.49.127.194 (talk) 07:32, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• Wendy Murdoch
• Wendy Deng Murdoch
• 鄧文迪 / 邓文迪
• 默多克·邓文迪 / 默多克·鄧文迪 / 默多克邓文迪 / 默多克鄧文迪
• 默多克文迪 / 默多克文迪 / 默多克·文迪 / 默多克·文迪

Deng Wendi , Wendy Deng and Wendi Murdoch already redirects here.

Her name is also Wendi Deng Murdoch. That's how she styles herself on the board of Yale School of Management. http://mba.yale.edu/why/advisors/index.shtml. Probably best to go with what she calls herself. Malke 2010 (talk) 17:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. It would not cause any possible confusion and allows for any of the possible search terms. If women choose to adopt the name of their husband it is usual to acknowledge that - to use a relevant example, when she came to the defence of her husband in the H of C committee meeting, a question was being asked by Louise Mensch who changed her name only last month from one by which she was much better known. The title of the Wikipedia article was altered accordingly. --AJHingston (talk) 20:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Probable search terms should redirect here, considering the usage at large (ie, Wendy, and Mrs. Murdoch) , these should redirect here. I'm not requesting a rename. 70.49.127.194 (talk) 04:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. But is there good reason for not renaming as suggested by Malke 2010 if that is the name she uses? One difficulty with the present title is that there is a suggestion of POV bias, eg that her marriage and hence membership of the Murdoch clan is somehow invalid or should not be acknowledged. --AJHingston (talk) 08:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, good point. It seems the wiki convention is to go with how she styles herself. I'll put up a move notice and that might generate some more comments.Malke 2010 (talk) 14:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

• Her name in pinyin is 'Deng Wendi', and is conventionally and more commonly known as 'Wendi Deng' – as can be seen in most news and other articles. Wendy Deng as a redirect is reasonable, but it isn't recognition of it is an alternative spelling (or her English name). The rd was more likely than not put there because it's more common for ladies to spell "Wendy". Anyway, what is the actual proposed target? perhaps you could follow instructions at WP:RM. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 15:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Birthdate of last child?

It says 2005 for Chloe, but in Ruperts wiki page it says 17 July 2003  ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.213.191 (talk) 08:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I think Ruperts wiki page is correct (i.e., it should be 2003, not 2005); see a quote from a 2005 article: "... Married his third wife, Wendi Deng, in 1999, with whom he has two children, Grace, four, and Chloe, two... " from http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/so-where-does-rupert-murdoch-go-from-here-500802.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.184.71 (talk) 18:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

(I've removed all the <ref> ... </ref> tags from your post so that the URL is visible) Yes, I've added a source for the birth dates to the Rupert Murdoch article, and both http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/so-where-does-rupert-murdoch-go-from-here-500802.html and http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/02/business/media/02murdoch.html are consistent with those dates. So I have made the change here. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Four hit

Apparently four were hit by the pie, Wendi, Rupert, a policeman and Marbles himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.139.91.52 (talk) 16:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

The details are not really for Wikipeida, but the BBC did show the assailant after his arrest with shaving foam caked on the upper part of his face. I believe that could only have occurred if somebody had decided to give him a taste (perhaps literally as it was soap) of his own medicine, and that is consistent with a remark attributed to Mrs Murdoch at the time. Others may have been splattered in the fracas. All that concerns this article is that Mrs Murdoch's positive intervention gained widespread attention. --AJHingston (talk) 19:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not even sure that the pieing incident is at all encyclopaedic. I'd be inclined to remove it as tabloid trivia. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 01:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Marbles should have been released from prison by now. He probably got half off for good behaviour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.134.88 (talk) 12:47, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

I still see a move notice is that normal?

When I visited this article and saw the move notice I read it and thought, wait a minute, this article has already been moved. Then I went to remove it and it turns out the move notice has already been removed. I think there might be some paranormal activity in the MediaWiki softwares, or maybe Wendy Deng (Murdoch) is trying to tell us something with her mind. Seriously, am I the only one that sees this? Metal.lunchbox (talk) 06:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I removed it again an that appears to have fixed it. spooky. Oddly the problem with the previous version is also gone. Metal.lunchbox (talk) 06:57, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Murdoch

There are several IPs/users who continuously edit the page. Wendi's surname is Murdoch since she married Rupert. Please do not change this. It is custom in the Wikipedia articles to refer to subjects by their last names. ★Dasani★ 04:28, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

That is not quite accurate. The custom is to refer to subjects by the name by which they are generally known, though this can vary and is influenced, for example, by whether the media takes account of the subject's own preference (this seems to vary between countries). See the move discussion above. Added to that, it has never been the custom in the UK, for example, except in very limited circumstances, to refer to women by their surname alone - so Mrs Murdoch, Wendi Murdoch, Wendi Deng, Wendi Deng Murdoch are all forms that would be found in UK media but not 'Murdoch' which might be used if she were male. An added complication in her case is that she is Chinese by birth, and there are important differences in the use of names there. So there are reasons for preferring different forms in referring to her, but it is correct that this should be discussed on the talk page and not the subject of an edit war. --AJHingston (talk) 09:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

It is indeed accurate. She married and changed her last name to his. I don't know about English customs, but in America it is indeed common to refer to both genders by their surnames (married/changed or not). Previously, there were people who kept reverting all the "Murdoch" sentences to "Deng". If a subject of a biographical article changed her last name, she would therefore be referred to by her new surname and not the maiden one regardless of race. Take a look at the articles of married women on Wikipedia. Additionally, the same rule applies to those using stage names. Spelling Style (talk) 03:36, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

But see the long discussion about the requested move above. These issues are never straightforward in Wikipedia. How she chooses to style herself is important but not conclusive, and she would be entitled to change her mind. But Wikipedians are more influenced by the name most familiar to users, and it seemed from earlier discussions that it was a fairly even split between Murdoch and Deng. Being American matters because practise there is often at variance with elsewhere. Even in the past and in the most formal of circumstances a woman would not have been referred to in Britain solely by her husband's patronymic as though she had no separate identity, at the least she would have been Mrs Smith or Mrs John Smith, and Smith on its own would be her husband. Even that is largely obsolete. But the situation can arise where an American is better known outside the US and there I would expect Wikipedians to argue for the article to reflect usage where she is known.

The point I was making, though, is that it is very dangerous for editors to jump in and insist that they know what is 'correct' whether it is spelling, forms of name, or whatever when they know that others differ. The courteous thing is to acknowledge those differences and use the talk page constructively to air them. What may seem commonplace to one person may seem discourteous to the subject to another, and I think that is what may be happening here. Both 'sides' need to understand that. --AJHingston (talk) 10:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I was about to add that. Wendi relocated to America, not England. Now, Murdoch was an Australian native and perhaps it is more similar with British customs over there. But since she is American (just as how British people have biographies written about them using British terms), the more casual surname usage would be accurate. I'm glad we talked about this first, though. Spelling Style (talk) 18:53, 14 September 2012 (UTC)