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How can we stop Diaoyu Island redirect into this article

Note User:‎Ytht1984 created this as an empty section. I'm not really sure what you're asking. Since Diaoyu Islands is another name for these group of islands, it should redirect here. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:40, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Please stop to redirect Diaoyu Islands to here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninedegree (talk • contribs) 04:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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"Tiaoyutai Islands"?

Since Taiwan officially changed its romanization to Pinyin in 2009 (with a few exceptions), would the Taiwanese name for the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands be Diaoyu instead of the current "Tiaoyu"? I see quite a few official English-language publications using this spelling, but not anything using "Tiaoyu"

Examples: [1][2][3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rfilmyer (talk • contribs) 03:50, 15 April 2013 (UTC) QuentinUK (talk) 18:12, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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Name change suggestion

I suggest renaming the article "Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands" to make it more neutral.--Maps9000 (talk) 08:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I support this suggestion to help the article's NPOV. I think a few of the admins lean towards the Japanese position, however, and locked the page the last time someone tried to rename it. Yi Ding (talk) 03:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

First, note that "neutrality" isn't quite the right way of putting it; the question is, "What name to people use when writing about the subject in English". Essentially, that is, by definition, the English name.

So, if you wish to pursue a renaming discussion, which is fine as long as it's done civilly, you'll need to provide evidence that when the islands are discussed in English, they are generally referred to by both names or by some sort of hybrid name. Be sure to focus especially on high quality reference works and academic sources, though journalism sources are also fine. But on the latter, you'll need to do some serious work in showing the trend; Google search numbers won't tell you anything. I recommend looking through the archives of this page to see some of the work we've done previously, along with the several RfC's we've held that each time found "Senkaku Islands" to be the standard English name. It is possible, however, that over the last several years (since the topic has become more commonly discussed in English language media) the standard usage has changed; if it has, we should change with it. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:17, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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Should we revert to the original location map ?

I came to this page after reading yet another article in the news paper and I am quite surprised by the location map. It's the first time I see a map on Wikipedia featuring distances to claimants. Furthermore, said distances seem to be quite biased to me, distances from Taiwan and China are coast to coast, but for Japan, it's distance to Naha. As it is highly unusual and there is nothing really backing the provided distances, should we revert to the previous neutral map ? I would do it but I don't want to create an account just for that.

-- Benoit

I do not see an issue using the milage map, which helps visitors have an idea where the islands are to the respective claiments. --WashuOtaku (talk) 13:02, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

The thing is though, where should the measurements be to? There are two to Japanese territories - Ishigaki and Okinawa islands. Perhaps the map should have the one to Naha removed? John Smith's (talk) 18:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I'd be inclined to remove the distances. Should we trace from closest land point to closest land point? If so, I'd want a source for that data. Alternatively, should we trace from "port to port"--i.e., the closest distance a seafarer would probably travel, especially historically? Should we trace center to center? Any such decision would probably be a POV one, and thus it seems better to leave it out. However, if we keep the distances, my preference would be to use closest to closest land point, and we'd have to verify the info. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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