Talk:Protests against Donald Trump/Archive 4

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Official Reaction

In August 2017, it was reported that the U.S. Department of Justice has requested information on visitors to a anti-Trump website that was being used to organize protests against President Trump. World Wide Web provider Dreamhost indicated that they have been working for several months on the request of the Department of Justice in allegedly providing roughly 1.3 million visitor IP addresses, contact information, email content and photos of visitors to the website, which had been involved in organizing protests against Trump on Inauguration Day 2017. Let us eat lettuce (talk) 19:56, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

References

this wiki should be a list, nothing more

just as List of post-election Donald Trump rallies, this should be nothing more than a listing. I suggest a deletion of this wiki. I suggest a new wiki President Trump's rallies. I respectfully request consensus. Let us eat lettuce (talk) 04:35, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Oi, Lettuce please close this discussion. Or at the very least attempt to provide a legitimate rationale for deletion...at an AfD. But, as I already said, this is clearly a notable subject and it may reveal your competency issues to a broader audience.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 04:43, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Also please refer to Wikipedia articles as such, not as wikis, like Doug told you. :-) Funcrunch (talk) 04:49, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey, TheGracefulSlick "articles", will do. I thought they were called wiki's. I do NOT support deleting anybodies contribution. I don't know enough to request an AfD.. I have suggested a new article President Trumps rallies to document the content of and provide balance across Wikipedia. I do not support bias in wiki articles or related accusations of negative POV bias. closed Let us eat lettuce (talk) 05:51, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Let us eat lettuce I fail to see the bias. Many presidents had opposition, including the former one here: Protests against Barack Obama. Are you looking for a pro-Trump page? Try March 4 Trump or Tea Party movement. There already are articles about Trump rallies before and after he became president.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 06:51, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

I disagree with this proposal. There is a list of protests on pages, such as Protests against Barack Obama. There is also a list of protests referred to saying Timeline of protests against Donald Trump. There is no need to delete this page. Theoallen1 (talk) 02:04, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

"Trump bashing"

Is there really no article covering the emerging trend to bash Donald Trump? It seems to have become a celebrity obsession and they're not anybody if they've not publicly criticized him. There should be an article on it!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:40, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I do hope you are kidding. NoMoreHeroes (talk) 20:51, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

The last thing we need are unnecessary, superfluous articles related to Donald Trump. Now THAT seems to be a trend nowadays. NoMoreHeroes (talk) 20:52, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Sure Donald, I agree in principle, except that I think it's become such a celebrity obsession to attack you that it's become a phenomenon in its own right. It seems like to fit in now a celeb has to publicly denounce you, which is a bit sad I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:34, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Don't you mean "SAD!"? NoMoreHeroes (talk) 00:55, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

The title "Trump bashing" is not encyclopedic. An article titled Celebrity criticisms of Donald Trump would be a better title. You could also mention how a large portion of celebrities have lives that are train wrecks in order to bring balance/perspective to the article.Knox490 (talk) 07:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

DACA decision

Are the protests related to Trump's decision on DACA notable enough for a standalone article? And I don't mean just people organizing and attending rallies, I'd like us to even consider a more general "reaction" article. See Protests against Executive Order 13769 and Reactions to Executive Order 13769 for possible ideas. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:26, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Possibly, though considering the DACA article is fully protected right now (apparently due to a lengthy edit war), I expect contention either way... Funcrunch (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Just FYI there are now some images from today's protest at Trump Tower in this Commons category: commons:Category:Protest against the DACA rescission in New York (5 September 2017). I've added one to the article as it looked like there was room. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:08, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I should have pix from San Francisco up by tomorrow hopefully. Funcrunch (talk) 03:12, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

And more from a march/rally yesterday: commons:Category:Protest against the DACA rescission in New York (9 September 2017). If there are more in the days/weeks to come, I'm going to presume not post about it/them here barring highly unusual circumstances (I recognize it's of limited usefulness on the talk page). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:34, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Timeline of Protests against Donald Trump

Several protests have been recently added without changing the Timeline for Protests against Donald Trump. In my view, any protest mentioned here but not mentioned on the timeline during his Presidency should be added to the timeline or the section here should be blanked.Theoallen1 (talk) 22:25, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Condense or break up the article: Length not justified

The article now has more footnotes than the French Revolution article. The French Revolution lasted ten years and has had a far greater impact on world history than these Trump protests.

Condense the article or at least break it up. Condensing the article makes more sense.Knox490 (talk) 02:04, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, because there is silly irrelevant information like a listing of fake Twitter accounts. Seriously. --219.75.113.186 (talk) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Significant Social Media Protests

In reviewing this article, it has become apparent that the article focuses solely on physical protests and neglects the strong social media protests that have been occurring over the past year. There has been an explosion of trending tweets such as #NotMyPresident and #ResistTrump. I plan to analyze the collective protests against Donald Trump through social media hashtag analysis and through reputable articles relating to the subject. I believe this additional information will make the article more complete and representative of the total opposition that has taken place, rather than just the physical protests. The analytics will be done mainly through google trends, but I am attempting to find a better social media engagement tracking service. If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to respond! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raffiter10 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Definitely. We can't forget about that petition for the electoral college to put Hillary in office. And how many new startup organizations have formed about organizing opposition to Republican politicians across the country? How about the celebrities like George Takei who have revitalized their careers as anti-Trump activists. Maybe even anti-Trump meme culture (i.e. Covfefe).--98.109.212.28 (talk) 07:40, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

List of Twitter Accounts

Seriously, why is there a list of Twitter accounts? This is totally irrelevant for an encyclopaedia. Wikipedia is an Encyclopaedia, not a directory. These listings only serve to extend the length of the article without adding in any encyclopaedic value (or maybe the intent was to promote the Twitter accounts in question). It's a simple manual of style for an encyclopaedia. To add on, many of these accounts are not even referenced. That constitutes original research, which also brings notability of the information into question (i.e. Does this mean I can set up a random account masquerading as a fake U.S. government branch and list this account here as well?).

I have already been kind enough to explain my edits in my edit summary, but User:Another Believer, did not explain it when he/she reverted my edit. An experienced Wikipedian should have known better. --219.75.113.186 (talk) 17:13, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I reverted per the template at the top of this page which says, "Rogue Twitter accounts was nominated for deletion. The debate was closed on 9 June 2017 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Protests against Donald Trump. The original page is now a redirect to here." I'll let other editors here weigh in on the appropriateness of your deletion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:30, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I see, apologies for that. In that case, the editor who added it into the original article should have known better. This is indeed the first time I have seen a Wikipedia article stating so many social media handles/usernames in a list, without the article title starting with, "List of...". The prose itself is fine, but the list is irrelevant (a quick mention of a few of the more notable examples will do; readers do not need to know the entire spectrum of accounts). --219.75.113.186 (talk) 17:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I actually agree with the IP that a full listing of rogue accounts is unnecessary, especially as many are not referenced. Funcrunch (talk) 18:04, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Adding more

Hey someone should definitely add more information to the misinformation section (funny hahaha ironic). Also more information could be helpful for the international section and all the protest subsections are pretty short as well. Otherwise good job, information is clear.

Article name

It seems to me that a more encyclopedic title for this article is "Anti-Trump movement", which currently redirects here. Thoughts? LK (talk) 03:38, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

"Protests" cannot be treated as wholly identical to "anti". You can inform though that which paragraphs or sections of the article would justify "anti-Trump" title. Raymond3023 (talk) 03:41, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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People's State of the Union

Not sure if the People's State of the Union should be mentioned in this article somehow... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:34, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I think it should as it was a protest against Donald Trump. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:30, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Merge discussion

Looking at a possible merge from Lion Guard into the security section of this page. Comments would be welcome at Talk:Lion Guard. -O.R.^Comms 19:21, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Children separated from families?

I would really like it if someone were to perhaps add a blurb about the recent protests regarding the children of illegal immigrants being separated from their families and put into "cages". I don't feel like I can do it myself since I have virtually no experience in editing a Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnlt215 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jnlt215: Thanks for pointing this out. I've added a short section that could certainly be expanded further. Feel free to suggest anything else you feel ought to be added to the section (and references to be used) – or be bold and add anything you think is necessary yourself. Everybody was a newcomer at some point and the worst thing that can happen is your changes will be reverted. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Goals

What are the goals that Protesters against Trump want to achieve? My guesses include the most obvious, Impeachment of Donald Trump, rejoining the Paris Agreement, cancel construction of the Border Wall, and maybe even abolishing the Electoral College. Does anyone have any? 70Jack90 (talk) 03:13, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Who is funding the protests is a better question. Look at all of the signs, most are copies and there are thousands of them, the money to print those is coming from somewhere. And the signs are identical whether its a protest in Chigaco or LA, its not like the TEA Party where every single sign was unique and obviously hand made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.222.205.210 (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Trump Baby blimp

I've redirected Trump Baby blimp to this article, and addeded a short blurb about the upcoming protest in London. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:49, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Not really a blimp

According to our article, a blimp is an airship (i.e., it can carry a person). Although the Trump Baby is most often referred to in the media as a blimp, some sources do call it a balloon (example), which seems to be correct. As long as Trump Baby blimp redirects here, so that people using the more common phrase can find the information, we should call it a balloon. I'll correct the section heading and change the redirect so it goes to this specific section. JamesMLane t c 16:35, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

I went ahead and redirected Trump Baby balloon as well. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:40, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Problematic statement in the lede

The lede contains the sentence, While most protests have been peaceful,[17] actionable conduct such as vandalism and assaults on Trump supporters has occurred.[18][19] That is one-sided; it tells only half the story. It should say While most protests have been peaceful,[17] actionable conduct such as vandalism, assaults on Trump supporters, and assaults by Trump supporters on protesters has occurred.[18][19] Surely we haven't forgotten that the only fatality at a protest was caused by a Trump supporter driving a car into a group of protesters? If we add this it will need an additional reference. --MelanieN (talk) 03:33, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Why say actionable?--Jack Upland (talk) 18:39, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Hollywood Walk of Fame

I haven't looked for anything online but I heard on the "radio" that Trump's star was vandalized. I guess that's not significant enough for this article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:10, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Source.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 14:59, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

This site has been vandalized several times already. An overview of the attempts may deserve mention. — JFG ^talk 15:21, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good. I didn't think the individual incident would be important enough.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:24, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

It's happened often enough to deserve a section of its own. Several of the incidents are mentioned here. --MelanieN (talk) 20:08, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll work on it.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:41, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm sure what I did can be improved, but it's a start. One problem is that the article is divided into protests before he was president and those while he was president.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:21, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Just in case anyone thinks the exact time of this week's incident is too much, I'm making the point it happened in the middle of the night, and all we really know is when the police heard about it.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:49, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

A very well-written summary of the various defacement incidents, thanks! I had forgotten about the "wall" around the star, that one at least was creative instead of destructive! — JFG ^talk 20:36, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

FYI, similar content is being discussed at Talk:Donald Trump#Walk of Fame vandalism. — JFG ^talk 22:40, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Occupy Lafayette Park Protest now known as Kremlin Annex Protest

As of the current date, a 109-day uninterrupted non-violent protest against various aspects of the current executive branch has been staged in front of the White House in D.C. The protest was started specifically on 7/16/2018 after the summit in Russia where the president came under scrutiny for sidestepping Putin's potential involvement in biasing the election. This protest is covered under the twitter hashtag "#KremlinAnnex" and under the twitter account "@KremlinAnnex". It has been covered in public news media briefly during this time. Because the news reporting, the length of this protest and well-organized group staging this event, it is likely appropriate to add this protest to the article. Ref: "Occupy Lafayette Park" on twitter: "Est. 7/16/2018 after the #TreasonSummit." Ref: "Kremlin Annex" on twitter. Jcline0 (talk) 02:29, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Added brief summary of Kremlin Annex to the related article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_protests_against_Donald_Trump#July_2018 . Not adding more to this article in the short term, due to sensitivity of these edits. This long running protest deserves mention in the main article.

Jcline0 (talk) 02:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Rogue twitter accounts

This seems trivial and dubious, especially as we don't know how these people are.--Jack Upland (talk) 18:44, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I think there should be some mention of the phenomenon, given the amount of coverage in news media at the time, which was probably greater than that afforded to most other topics that have individual sections in this article. I agree though that the current bullet-point list of Twitter accounts runs counter to the spirit of WP:INDISCRIMINATE and should be removed or merged into the prose. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Trump riots listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Trump riots. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. B dash (talk) 15:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Dump Trump (statue)

Not sure if this should be added or not, but I've started Dump Trump (statue). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:21, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Antifa

You are invited to participate in Talk:Antifa (United States)#RfC: antifa and terrorism, a discussion about whether to include that activities by American anti-fascists were labeled as domestic terrorism by the Trump administration. R2 (bleep) 22:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

video from july 30, 2019

Trump was heckled on July 30, 2019

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Victorgrigas (talk • contribs) 03:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

References

Infobox is messed up

The current infobox is waaay too big and seems to include OR categorization and too-detailed lists of article content. SPECIFICO talk 13:43, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree. It's essentially a duplicate of the table of contents. So what can we do to simplify? Causes: "Orange man bad"? Goals: "Impeach the MF"? — JFG ^talk 18:32, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Joking aside, I made a bold edit to address the issue, focusing on the root cause of demonstrations and their most sought after remedy.[1] What do you think? — JFG ^talk 18:42, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Does this need updating, now that impeachment has been and gone? Have they achieve their goal? Or has their goal proved illusory?--Jack Upland (talk) 01:27, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Looking at the contents at present:

• Date June 16, 2015 – present Whether it is ongoing is debatable. The timeline has nothing since 5 February.
• Location United States and other countries[a] The protests in other countries seem largely trivial.
• Caused by Donald Trump's campaign and presidency I would say they were reactions to what Trump said and did.
• Goals Removal of Trump from office, possibly via impeachment What other method of removal was contemplated? Why not mention voting?
• Methods Demonstration, Internet activism, political campaigning Tautological.
• Status Ongoing Debatable and repetitive.
• President Trump impeached by the House of Representatives on December 18, 2019 The protests did not cause the impeachment.
• Senate impeachment trial occurred from January–February 2020 Why not say acquittal?

Then there's Number which seems to be a list of the largest protests, which is not very notable. Then Casualties. Why include this? The numbers are precise, and I don't think an arrest is a casualty.--Jack Upland (talk) 18:37, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Jack Upland: Perhaps you could enumerate the specific changes you think should be made (or just go ahead and make those changes and see if anyone disagrees)? I agree with some of the above but in the absence of concrete proposals it's difficult to discuss. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

The problem is, following my arguments, all the infobox would consist of would be Started: June 16, 2015. Location: United States. Given this is a contentious topic, I don't think that would be accepted. This conundrum lies in the nature of the protests themselves. The protests are open-ended and undefinable. The protests were against so many things, including Trump's attitude to women. I think there were generally expressing outrage, rather than demanding action. To the extent that people were calling for impeachment, many clearly did not understand what impeachment was (for example, those demanding immediate impeachment). It is pointless to say the "Protests against Donald Trump" were "protests against Donald Trump", but that's essentially what we are saying here. I can't think of anything worthwhile to say in summing up the protests.--Jack Upland (talk) 00:12, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Lincoln Project, add here, since Anti-Trump?

Since "Anti-Trump" redirects here ....

Anti-Trumpism within GOP (with examples John Kasich and George Conway III):

• https://apnews.com/513cab63a1b3317f6342daf888a10763
• https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/17/george-conway-other-conservatives-critics-form-super-pac-to-battle-trump.html

X1\ (talk) 23:12, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

George Floyd protests

@CrusaderToonamiUK: I'm not sure that the text you added to the article is supported by the source cited. There are of course connections and continuities between the ongoing protests and anti-Trump protests, but we really need a source (preferably several) that makes that connection explicit. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 13:04, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

The page is rushed and looks pretty bad so that's why I had removed it 15:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)CrusaderToonamiUK (talk)

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