Talk:Ken Harrelson

perspective regarding Baseball Analytics

It is worth mentioning in this article if properly sourced that Harrelson is highly dismissive of the use of performance analytics as a baseball management tool. This part of his narrative fits thematically with the fact that Harrelson was at one time equally dismissive of Tony LaRussa, the legendary manager, and the notion expressed by others on this talk page that Harrelson is an opinionated blowhard who speaks with little or no substantiation. If anyone can find a relevant source, please link it here, and I will do likewise. Jrgilb (talk) 03:55, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

POV

Whomever inserted the POV content should be ashamed. Was that you, Mariotti?

--35th and Shields 03:14, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I edited this a little bit to make it a little less POV, cutting out the harshest statements, even though Harrelson really doesn't deserve it. If somebody who doesn't believe this man isn't a huge disgrace to baseball wants to further edit it, by all means, go ahead.

--User:uglatto

I always thought that the term "carmines" was used by several announcers, not just the Hawk. Can anyone confirm this?

Either way, I'm removing "The Tribe". The Indians refer to themselves as this when they're being announced. Teemu08 17:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

This page is so laughably bad that I'm making my first post in Wiki discussion just to laugh at it. Bwahahahaha!

Agreed. This page is truely awful. Anyone who contributed should be embarassed. How can you not elaborate on his attempt at pro golf? Sure it was almost as bad as his GM career and equally as laughable as his broadcasting style, but it should be mentioned.

The sentence that states that "Many have criticized him for the monotony of his voice, his repetitive and predictable and over the top calls, and his frequent long stretches of silence while calling a game, especially if the White Sox play on the field is subpar" is clearly POV. This article is terribly POV, and I suggest at least a partial rewrite. Jwkpiano1 03:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

"Extremely annoying catchphrases?" Sounds biased to me. I, for one, find whoever the Yankees radio announcer is to be "extremely annoying. "An a-bomb....from A-Rod!" Please. The "extremely annoying" part should be removed. I'm sure that any sports fan has been annoyed by some announcer. Doesn't mean that the phrase "extremely annoying" should apply to everybody.

He is known as one of the ultimate "homer" broadcasters, as fans of the White Sox naturally love him, and fans of the opposing team do not enjoy his style of play-by-play.

This sentence doesn't even make sense; what does being an "ultimate homer broadcaster" have to do with opposing fans (allegedly) disliking him?

Harrelson is known for his often used and arguably annoying catchphrases such as...

Putting the word "arguably" in front of "annoying" doesn't make it NPOV.

...as well as referring to the White Sox as "the good guys" or "our Sox".

I'm sure there are hundreds of sports broadcasters who routinely refer to their team with similar adulation.

I'm not really interested in fixing this article, but someone please do it. 68.200.107.111 16:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Harrrelson isn't any worse than Harry Carey or Mike Shannon about "homerism". The article should mention it, but not as critically. 70.41.43.216 (talk) 21:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Not really sure you can even make that claim. Harrelson is considered over enthusiastic for some and is very verbose, but I do not think you can measure "homerism". I put a citation request up. If one is not produced then I would suggest removing it and replacing it with something about his verbose enthusiasm to be considered over the top by some. Its obvious that some people who just do not like Hawk (most likely fans of rival teams) have tried to insert their own personal feelings into this wiki. 815sox (talk) 05:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 06:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Editorializing and gratuitous fact tags

Stop already with the editorial comments. And don't be adding fact tags just to be adding them. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 16:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Reworked "Hawkism" Section

I am not sure who wrote that paragraph, but it was full of run on sentences. Removed the part regarding Harrelson "referring to the Twins as "Twinkies" and stating "The Sacks are packed with Twinkies". The Twins refer to themselves as such and its not really a "catchphrase" of his. I just did a quick run through of the paragraph, not suggesting its complete. This article needs work. Some of the sections need to be broken down into smaller ones. -- 815sox (talk) 05:47, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

It might just be better to make a list of Harrelson's "Hawkisms". I don't know how to make lists on Wikipedia but I can look into it. Anyone else have any opinions on this? 815sox (talk) 18:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Confusing

"While he was still in high school, Harrelson met his first wife, Elizabeth Ann "Betty" Pacifici, whom he would marry that year." Most US folks go to high school for four years -- did he finish it up in one? 2602:304:CEC7:9230:4457:C89A:C623:66D3 (talk) 06:53, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

He graduated, they dated his last year of school. He went to a military school and she went to the all girls “sister” school. He was a “sports star” and she was a cheerleader. Betty Ann and Ken married on 12/27/1959. According to his biography, she was dating someone else from his school, they had just had a typical high school fight/breakup and Ken stole her away at a party they were all at together. 2600:8801:4422:A500:878:D8AE:729B:20B2 (talk) 20:38, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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Was reluctant on 1969 trade from Boston to Cleveland

(Azcue and Siebert were 2 of the players going from Cleveland to Boston in this trade.) From sabr.org : "Azcue and Siebert had already said they would not go back to Cleveland, and the other three players involved in the transaction were caught in limbo — freshly dressed in their new uniforms but not eligible to play. " There were complaints from some of the players who were in this trade. Carlm0404 (talk) 18:20, 23 March 2020 (UTC)