Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scientology/Archive 5

Forks and duplication (The Bridge to Total Freedom)

@North8000: The conversation over at Talk:Scientology#Article size and related article title /scope challenges is getting too long, so I'm putting this progress report here in the WikiProject talk, especially since this spans 4 articles.

This represents one step on our major project of reducing Scientology to a more manageable size:

I recently re-wrote the article The Bridge to Total Freedom. I found large sections covering this topic (forks) in three more articles: Auditing (Scientology), Scientology beliefs and practices, and Scientology. I summarized the main article to make a 4-sentence paragraph which I put in the Auditing and the Beliefs articles (those articles should both have this information). However, I left a single sentence in Scientology#The Bridge to Total Freedom because that was a subset of an entire section (Scientology#Beliefs and practices) which we're trying to reduce or get removed/moved/merged over to Scientology beliefs and practices. So that single sentence is basically a placeholder while we trim and strip content from Scientology.

Anyway, I wanted to communicate how I did this process because in our earlier discussions this came up. Grorp (talk) 07:24, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Cool. I didn't even know that this project existed. North8000 (talk) 12:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I wrote a lot at the talk page at Scientology I didn't want to duplicate it or split it up so I'm posting a bit more there. North8000 (talk) 19:56, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: Indeed. What you wrote there is a continuation of what you wrote before, so it rightfully belongs over there. This thread (re The Bridge) was entirely new and didn't neatly fit under the other mega-thread. I did, however, want to direct you to this talk page for whenever new subjects come up. Grorp (talk) 01:57, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Good article review is in progress for L. Ron Hubbard article

If you are interested in following along or participating, watchlist Talk:L. Ron Hubbard/GA2. Grorp (talk) 01:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Merge the fiction (non-scio) articles of Hubbard

I'm thinking that these two articles could be merged. The way I see it, it's the same topic. The list could be added into the other article. Thoughts?

• L. Ron Hubbard bibliography — Referred from 5 articles
• Written works of L. Ron Hubbard — Referred from 2 articles

Grorp (talk) 07:52, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Fiction or non-fiction

@Cambial Yellowing: I understand why you made all those edits to articles on Hubbard-authored Scientology books to label and categorize them as fiction and pseudoscience, however there are a lot of books in the world written as non-fiction which are pseudoscience. The fiction/nonfiction label would be based on whether or not the author intended it to be fiction or non-fiction, not whether the contents are true or not, or [pseudo]scientific. And Hubbard definitely held his Dianetics and Scientology writings to be 'the truth'. I won't disagree with you that Hubbard's "non-fiction" is actually hokum, but I don't think you have sufficient reliable sources to label them as fiction in Wikivoice. Perhaps keep the pseudoscience label, but revert those fiction labels to non-fiction. Grorp (talk) 00:45, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

There's no reason to force a dichotomy where none exists. I'll move them into the relevant books and works by L Ron Hubbard categories. Cambial — foliar❧ 09:34, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Notice re 'Category for deletion'

* The Category:Non-fiction works by L. Ron Hubbard has been nominated for deletion. If interested, see discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion or at this link [1]. Grorp (talk) 01:35, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Notice re merge proposal

* There is a merge proposal related to L. Ron Hubbard bibliography and Written works of L. Ron Hubbard. If interested, see discussion at Talk:L. Ron Hubbard bibliography § Merge proposal. Grorp (talk) 08:01, 20 September 2023 (UTC)