Wikipedia talk:WikiProject British Columbia/Archive/Archive 2013

Metro Vancouver vs Greater Vancouver

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_January_25#Metro_Vancouver where the discussion on whether to use "Metro Vancouver" or "Greater Vancouver" is going on -- 70.24.246.233 (talk) 14:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move List of Indian Reserves in British Columbia to List of Indian reserves in British Columbia

See discussion at List of Indian Reserves in British Columbia#Requested move. Hwy43 (talk) 04:39, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Closed. Result was move as nominated. Hwy43 (talk) 19:15, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

List of communities in British Columbia has been proposed for deletion

See discussion here. Hwy43 (talk) 18:55, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposal was withdrawn. Result was speedy keep. Hwy43 (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Victoria images

Can anyone get pictures taken for an article? http://www.flickr.com/photos/ngawangchodron/3426239674/in/photostream/ There are three statues in the area by John Weaver (artist). If anyone lives in the area or has friends they can twitter, phone, email, Bat bomb, or Project Pigeon, then it would help the project.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:06, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Biogeoclimatic zones of British Columbia

I'm expanding this, fairly straightforward with the good Ministry refs. If anyone wants to help, the refs are from this page, which links nice detailed brochures for each zone. If you're not into writing, it needs images too! The Interior (Talk) 00:07, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

This ref may also be of help. maclean (talk) 00:28, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Maclean, that'll be useful for expanding the introduction. The Interior (Talk) 00:42, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Just to note about that, the interrelationships with the US zones, which are different though similar, is worth exploring; perhaps on a joint comparison page.....Skookum1 (talk) 06:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

See List_of_ecoregions_in_the_United_States_(EPA)#See_also and note on that page my emendations of Canadian regions corresponding; there is no separate page (yet) for Washington, Idaho, Montana......matching them up isn't always easy and note the WWF regions for Canada are different than the CEC Ecoregions/ecozones.Skookum1 (talk) 07:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

re needed List_of_British_Columbia_railways

The table posted on my talkpage by the Outline people brought this to my attention; it's a big subject as about 150 railways were created during the 1890s and 1900-10s due to new railway legislation; a list-table could show all the names (logging railways kind of need to be a different list partly because they were never chartered railways, and they're in the hundreds)...... followed up by columns for who they were bought up by and when and what their current names are, if not defunct. Not sure where the best resource is; the tendency to "level" articles by merger doesn't serve a lot of these (which is why BC Rail remains separate from CN.....so far)......Howe Sound and Northern Railway might be a redirect to the BCR article, not sure; but there were scads in the Kootenays; many such "railways" were simply speculative incorporations that never got built.....Skookum1 (talk) 06:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Category:Neighbourhoods in Langley, British Columbia

I recently used this category to update the list at Langley, British Columbia (district municipality), but just received a note on my talk page by someone who is concerned about my addition of Derby, BC.

I know close to nothing about this area - so wondering if someone else can take this on? Thanks. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:33, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

LOL sorry to laugh..... Derby is the site of Old Fort Langley, the original site of the capital of the mainland, which was moved to its current site, which has better defenses/terrain by Col. Moody of the Royal Engineers....should be some details about this on the Fort Langley page and/or talkpage. Today Derby is just a crossroads between fields, at one time it was a boomtown in the gold rush days, before that it was the location of the HBC's first Fort Langley; Kanaka Creek right across the Fraser is where its Hawaiian employees lived. Not just any neighbourhood of Langley; the original one and the namesake. Can't remember where the Derby name came from, the peer by that name, certainly, not the hat or the town in the UK.Skookum1 (talk) 17:03, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hm need to research something; says the fort was moved in '39, but I'd thought Moody it was who recommended it be moved in '58 when he arrived from Canton.....definitely he was the one who got the capital itself moved to New Westminster, as more defensible....the move in '39 would still be defensive, "New" Fort Langley is surrounded by a moat-like lowland, originally a side-slough of the Fraser and is on a rise of land; Derby can be reached overland (then dense forest and swamp) from the US but at this point the border hadn't even been drawn yet; though was anticipated to be the 48th or 49th Parallel hence the location of Fort Langley just north of the 49th. Even in 1846 there was only one American in the whole Puget Sound region; and he was black and an ex-Briton (George Washington Bush was his name, no less; he lived near Olympia with his native wife); Derby/Old Fort Langley was where it is because of hte quality of the land for farming, and for its location near the portage from Boundary Bay to the Fraser via the Nicomekl and/or Serpentine Rivers; and proximity to the then still powerful Katzie community more or less right across the river where Whattlekainum, a joint Katzie-Kwantlen-Kwkikwetlem-Tsawwassen-Nooksack chief usually resided; his name is the root name of Whatcom County.Skookum1 (talk) 17:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Interesting stuff this, I love finding out about the history in the area. Always wondered where the name "Whatcom" came from. I didn't know that anyone predicted the 49th parallel either, I assumed it was pretty much just sprung upon everyone. One thing I do find interesting is how many things are named after Edward Stanley, Earl of Derby - Stanley in the Falkland islands, Stanley Park, Derby - clearly he was a popular chap. James.bc (talk) 18:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I was concerned just because Derby does not qualify as a "Major Neighbourhood", which is the category on the Langley, British Columbia (district municipality) page. Since Skookum1 agrees with me on this I am going to remove it from the Major Neighbourhoods category. There is a "neighbourhoods" box on the page, which has more of the smaller areas on, I will try and make that more prominent. James.bc (talk) 17:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Where did that term "Major Neighbourhoods" come from, and who created that category? the Township does have COMMUNITIES but not "neighbourhoods by the term, this has already been gone over on Talk:Aldergrove, British Columbia lately and also on List of communities in British Columbia's talkpage. Like the word "town", there are various meanings, but created a capital-M capital-N "Major Neighbourhoods" when the Township doesn't use that is "not on"......and this is a case where legal/official designations that override or ignore or simply go around history aren't justification for not including places that predate those official designations; they are many in Langley; Derby, McMillan Island (really the IR rancherie there), Glen Valley, Zero Avenue, Milner etc are bona fide "places" and neighbourhoods within traditional Langley (Milner's sort of a mini-town) and there are others. All easily citable; not only the ToL or some modern community guide is a valid source.Skookum1 (talk) 17:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I created the Major Neighbourhoods category, in order to present the information more clearly. I used the term Neighbourhoods based on the existing Langley Neighbourhoods template. If you want to go through and change the term to communities throughout all the pages I would not object to that, however I do think neighbourhoods sounds better and sounds more inclusive but that is just a matter of opinion. I did not want Major Neighbourhoods to list all the many areas in Langley because it would clutter the page and make it harder for people to distinguish which areas that are key areas, I based the list on population and historical significance, though there is no "official" criteria devised for this. If people think the list should include every neighbourhood, it would have to be sorted based on population or something like that to present the information effectively. James.bc (talk) 17:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

A move to Category:Communities in Langley, British Columbia would be more accurate and an improvement. I am concerned about disambiguation among the two Langleys however (city and township). Based on the name of their articles, it would appear that Category:Communities in Langley, British Columbia (district municipality) would be the most appropriate. Hwy43 (talk) 19:20, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Ideally, Template:LangleyNeighbourhoods should also be moved as well, maybe simply to Template:Langley, British Columbia and adapted for use at both the city and DM articles. Further, as Derby is not recognized as a community, perhaps a different category is in order. Hwy43 (talk) 19:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

That category name would be a subcat of the "neighbourhoods" one; neighbourhoods are a parent hierarchy nationally and globally I think i.e. as terminology; "Communities" in the cat name should be qualified as "Official communities" or "communities defined by the Township of Langley"... Mllner, Murrayville, Glen Valley and Derby are historical communities/neighbourhoods (but so are Aldergrove and Fort Langley of course); not sure about Willoughby, I"m not from that side of the river (where I was raised is immediately across the Fraser from Glen Valley). They are bona fide neighbourhoods in the real sense of the word, not as according to strict govt/wiki definition though.......ranking them by population makes no sense; Derby maybe has 50 residents, barring new condos spilling over from Walnut Grove; Glen Valley may have less than that; but they are both significant and historical and it's not like somewhere with low population is less significant than somewhere new with a larger one (e.g. Willowbrook and Walnut Grove); Milner and Murrayville are sort of small towns, since swallowed up.Skookum1 (talk) 05:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I think I understand what you're saying, have a main category of neighbourhoods and a subcategory for other communities? In that case, why not have "Neighbourhoods/communities defined by the Township of Langley" category be the currently designated areas by the township from their website, and the subcat for other historical areas not included? Based on this page on the tol.ca website, and this map of langley (tol.ca) as well as various other maps on the website, the communities are Aldergrove, Brookswood, Fernridge (combined with Brookswood on page, not shown on map), Fort Langley, Milner, Murrayville, Walnut Grove, Willoughby, Willowbrook. Anything else can be in that subcategory. James.bc (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Uh, except that I think the Communities are the subcat; since some of them are also historic neighbourhoods.....Milner's officially a Community? Good.....Skookum1 (talk) 15:05, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Steamboat articles in need of doing

Trying to get my mind back on why I'm really here instead of the stuff I manage to get myself swept up in, this was a project that's gone by the by lately and I'd meant to get at the rest of the articles before ..... oh, well, it was long ago. The Kamloops-Thompson-Shuswap one was next up on my to-do list, have to think of what I knew and where the cites are; the Lower Fraser and Harrison Lake one is important and a biggie, has to do with the early shipping and express companies in competition and more re provincial politics of the time....the Okanagan one needs expansion though I think the basics are there..... Thought I'd post it here to see if anyone wants to take up the torch; our southern Yanquito friends have done a bang-up job on their own series of related, and often overlapping, service and ship articles. {{Steamboats British Columbia}} shows what's redlinked......anyone in the mood for a collaboration/co-creation? Can't see the template as I write this, I'm not sure Steamboats of the Stikine River has ever been started; the closely-related Cassiar Gold Rush article is also much in need of doing; anyone with any historical questions or "where to look" please ask.Skookum1 (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Kootenay Lake and Kootenai River might best be done in collaboration with WP:IDAHO and WP:MONTANA.Skookum1 (talk) 15:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Bralorne-Pioneer Highway (Road 40) and Hurley River Road

Been hunting around for cites for what is referred to locally as Highway 40, aka the Bralorne-Pioneer Highway or Road 40, all I could find is mention of it in related pages such as this cost-benefit analysis of the Hurley River Road, generally known as the Hurley Main. The Mof's main directory of highways doesn't list it, there's a gap missing between Highways 39 and 41. It's also mentioned in civicweb postings from the SLRD. Would these suffice? Historically it's made of three components, the Moha Road from Lillooet to Moha, the Bridge River Road which ran from Mission Dam (since replaced by Terzaghi Dam and the Canyon Road, originally called the New Road, from there to Moha. Another cite for all of these would be Lewis Green's The Great Years: Gold Mining in the Bridge River Valley, from Tricouni publishers, publ. 2000, and the local histories already cited on various local articles. Another route in the area that just got provincial highways approval for servicing, but no highway number, is the Highline Road from D'Arcy to Seton Portage, dubbed "the Douglas Trail" even though that section of the original Douglas Trail was entirely waterborne. A cite for taht approval can be found on the Bridge River-Lillooet News in a recent article about it. Any suggestions for other government sites which may have things on non-highway provincial routes? Strikes me that the term "West Side Road" has various meanings in BC, also, one being that from North Bend to Lillooet and beyond to Big Bar Creek, though sections of that are known as the Texas Creek Road and the West Pavilion Road aka the Slok Creek Forest Service Road. the Pemberton side of the Hurley, by the way, was the Donnelly Creek FSR, not sure what the FSR coming from the Lillooet end is/was called.Skookum1 (talk) 06:41, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Possible cites to use for it were sent to me today by a contact in Lillooet. Are these OK for use as cites?

DriveBC.com

Hurleydust.com

Bridge River Valley.ca

I have someone else trying to find a government citation, you'd think DoH would have something on this, given the money they (don't) spend on it.Skookum1 (talk) 11:20, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Falkland, Westwold and Monte Lake - not Thompson, not Okanagan, not Shuswap.....

not sure how to categorize these by region; the Monte Lake articles are already categorized as Thompson Country, don't know where Falkland and Westwold are, other than in RD cats....doesn't this valley have a name?Skookum1 (talk) 11:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

List of Development Regions of British Columbia started

This important set of government regions now has a listing/ BC Stats site yields internal errors so used Chartered Accountants of BC site's listing for now; request for better links for refs have been put into BC Government website. All are redlinked and need articles, as it is by these development regions that StatsBC (redlink, maybe there's a Statistics British Columbia page already though) calculates budgets and its various assemblies of census data. Note, Ministry of Forests Regions and Ministry of Environment Regions are now redlinked on those lists, each should have its own article......and in the case of MoF and MoE regions, at least, there should be categories for things classified by those regions, e.g. BC Parks by MoE/Parks region (same thing).Skookum1 (talk) 04:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Visual map of electoral disricts?

Where can I find one? Thanks in advance. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• Elections BC webpage on exactly that.Skookum1 (talk) 15:33, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

This one shows selected local areas, including the Lower Mainland's complicated boundaries/districts.Skookum1 (talk) 15:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks, Skookum1. I guess there is nothing on Wikipedia itself? Ottawahitech (talk) 13:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Getting maps made around here LOL yeah right......1895 electoral districts I think I've got one on file.....these are new boundaries, it's not like there's a pack of busy map-making beavers working behind the scenes; not to be snide, I've just got a list of maps that could use making but I don't have the skills; why replicate what's already online from Elections BC?Skookum1 (talk) 14:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Temporary Chinese workers at a coal mine in BC?

I happened to see a small ref in a G&M article (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/ottawa-to-probe-royal-bank-job-outsourcing/article10837566/comments/?ord=0). It does not say which coal mine. Anyone has any further info? – I cannot locate any on Wikipedia. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 19:08, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

It is the proposed Murray River Coal Project in Tumbler Ridge [1] maclean (talk) 05:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks, Maclean. I have added some info to Tumbler Ridge, but the article has a lot more info that can be used, if anyone is interested.Ottawahitech (talk) 03:49, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Maybe it's time for Labour policy of the Harper government. Another one that's much in need is Democratic reform policies of the Harper government and Open government policies of the Harper government......or Electoral reform policies of the Harper government. All oxymorons but so is the Environmental policy one........and seems like the Foreign policy one needs some serious updating of late......Skookum1. Historical revision policies of the Harper government comes to mind too.....not trying to be POV, just pointing out major policy areas that are absent from Wikipedia coverage.`` (talk) 04:05, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

elections investigation re fake website

Just saw this. I doubt there's a James Crosty article, as he's an independent, but this might be something worth having on New Westminster (electoral district)'s section on the current election?Skookum1 (talk) 06:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks Skookum1 - interesting story. Not sure where this info would go on Wikipedia? Ottawahitech (talk) 03:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Should go somewhere, maybe on British Columbia general election, 2013, I'd think.....interesting in that this was done to an Independent, shows you how desperate things are getting.....the New West riding is historically a safe NDP seat btw.Skookum1 (talk) 04:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Dawnmariewesley.jpg

File:Dawnmariewesley.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 02:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

CfR for "on Vancouver Island" vs "in Vancouver Island"

Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_May_30#.22in.22_Vancouver_Island_categories.Skookum1 (talk) 04:57, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Qualicum College

In spite of my significant work, the article on Qualicum College may not have established its notability. 67.100.127.99 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:26, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Needed: List of heritage buildings in New Westminster

Please see Talk:New_Westminster#Needed_List_of_heritage_buildings_in_New_Westminster. I'm hoping that the heritage-minded editors who built the Vancouver and Victoria heritage lists (er, is there a Victoria heritage list?) do a similar table-list for New Westminster. Queen's Park is not just the park, but also an official heritage district within the city, and so that article needs a split between the park and the neighbourhood.Skookum1 (talk) 08:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

important ministries need articles

Currently British Columbia Ministry of Forests just redirects to the cabinet article, Executive Council of British Columbia; it's such an important ministry historically and economically as is the British Columbia Ministry of Mines, Energy and Petroleum Resources (originally just the Mines portfolio), that articles are definitely needed, and they're not alone. The current Minister of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations position controls about 50% of the provincial budget and incorporates the old Ministry of Lands and some of what had been EMR (Energy, Mines and [Petroleum] Resources), maybe all of it - a very controversial ministry when created, and one of the reasons cabinet were pressuring Campbell to resign (I know this from insiders, but never mind that), among so many others....so just noting these, I don't have time to author them, but a section on the main project page of "articles in need of creation" or "requested articles" might get the ball rolling.Skookum1 (talk) 05:04, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

AfC submission

Hello there! Would anyone care to have a look and work on this? Thanks! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:55, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

It's a pity the AfC closed before I saw it; my main feedback is that it should be the general article on Islands Trust that needs such an indepth writeup, maybe with subsections on each island's page. The current system of RD subdivisions for BC has never been a real representation about how BC is governed on the quasi-county level (which was a wiki-mistake/bad comparison from day one); that applies as much to Islands Trust islands as to the UEL and certain other places (including now the SGIDs and the Nisga'a Lisims as well). In a similar vein the Whistler Resort Assocation/RMOW/mountains tri-governance and the various SRMPs and IRMPs are very relevant as far as governance goes. Anyways, in this case the Islands Trust article has needed expansion and explanation for a long time already....nice to see this re Salt Spring but I wouldn't give it that title.Skookum1 (talk) 09:13, 13 December 2013 (UTC)