Wikipedia talk:Bots/Requests for approval/SagaCookBot

Hello, I started new section to review this BRFA (due to bot was denied for unclear reasons). I published the example article at new section at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:BRFA more than week ago and no reaction. Is someone available in wikipedia here or all left on summer vacations. Please tell me what should I do in order to get your attention to this. This takes too much time and all because of your slow reaction. Please pay attention to this. If you need I may republish example article here (now it is in BRFA section). Looking forward to your response.—Preceding unsigned comment added by SagaUser (talk • contribs) 08:33, 2010 July 20

I've gone ahead and moved the sample article here instead of there. Please note two things: Firstly, your request was denied because you repeatedly didn't respond to requests from the community. The fact that you characterize this as our slow reaction tends to confirm that this was a correct decision; any bot operator needs to be available and willing to communicate. Secondly, the most important request since the community, oustanding since April 30, was for a sample article; please be aware that a bot for the purpose of adding promotional material, such as that found in the article you have now provided, will not be approved regardless. You could have saved everyone time, including yourself, by providing this sample previously. — Gavia immer (talk) 15:46, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Regarding slow response excuse me but I tried to respond either in one or two days or as I get any input that I can provide to you (I haven't respond when I had nothing to say). Is it not acceptable and too slow ? I didn't noticed somewhere a rule saying that either respond in 1 day or your request will be denied. Regarding the article I understand that it took too much time but there are reasons for this. Article is produced by our writer which was on a vacation and then it took him some time to produce it. And I underlined this during discussion that article preparation may take some time and I will provide as soon as it will be available. Then after article was given community suddenly disappeared (and when I say about slow reaction I mean this situation). No reaction for weeks. Now regarding the article content. You said it contains promotional material but how about this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepsi ? Is it not promotional ? Please describe me since I do not understand the difference.

Best regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by SagaUser (talk • contribs) 17:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Sample article

Hello, please find example article text below (I put it here since you denied bot page and provided invalid instruction on how to contact you via email!). Review it and let me know whether it meets wikipedia policies and you can approve the bot. Also why have you denied the bot event after I said you that article is ready and I just need a way to provide it to you ?

Article title: SAGA

SAGA is a brand for consumers and professionals in baking and cooking markets globally. The SAGA offering consists of multipurpose food-grade and greaseproof cooking and baking papers. SAGA is a registered trademark of Metsä Tissue, the world’s leading supplier of cooking papers. The brand was launched in Autumn 2009.

Info box (on the right)

Type cooking and baking products Manufacturer Metsä Tissue Country of origin Finland Introduced 2009 Website www.sagacook.com

Pictures: SAGA logo

Origins / History

SAGA brand was launched in 2009, but when it comes to manufacturing and marketing greaseproof paper, Metsä Tissue has a long tradition that goes back to 19th century when a pharmacist, G.A. Serlachius founded a ground wood factory in Mänttä, Central Finland, in 1868. The company launched production of toilet tissue in 1908 and production of greaseproof paper in 1924. The brand name Serla® was launched on the Finnish market in the 1960s for tissue papers as well as baking and cooking paper products. In Finland and Scandinavia, Serla has been a household name with a substantial market share in the category, making it to top100 list of the most appreciated brands in Finland (source: http://www.marmai.fi/multimedia/archive/00039/Arvostetuimmat_br_nd_39944a.pdf). However, a decision was made to seek new markets and growth outside Scandinavia with a new brand name, SAGA.

Trademark

SAGA is a registered trademark of Metsä Tissue. The logo is round and red, symbolizing a heart, and “love for food and cooking”. The logo was designed by a Finnish advertising agency Win & Win Advertising & Design in 2009.

Products

SAGA assortment consists of multipurpose food-grade papers for cooking and baking for both consumer and professional use. The SAGA paper products are made of various qualities of greaseproof base paper which are then further converted into different products with their distinctive product features and end-uses/characteristics.

All SAGA paper products are made of renewable wood raw materials from sustainably managed forests. The products are biodegradable and compostable, and they are certified with PEFC, Nordic Swan and Kosher.

SAGA Cooking Paper

Cooking paper is made of greaseproof paper with double sided non-stick coating. It is also suitable for baking, but because of its bigger density compared to SAGA Baking Paper, the cooking paper suits best ingredients rich in small-molecular protein content such as chicken and pork. Maximum temperature for use is 220‘C / 430’F.

Consumer packagings: 38 cm x 12 m roll in bladed carton box

Professional packagings: 39 cm x 50 m roll in bladed carton box 57 cm x 200 m catering reel, 6 rolls in cardboard box 32,5 x 53 cm (1/1 GN) sheet, 500 sheets in dispenser box 53 x 65 cm (2/1 GN) sheet, 500 sheets in dispenser box

Picture: SAGA Cooking Paper 12 m roll packaging

SAGA Baking Paper

SAGA Baking Paper is made of greaseproof paper with double sided non-stick coating. Maximum temperature for use is 220‘C / 430’F.

Consumer packaging: 38 cm x 42 cm sheet, 24 sheets in carton box with flip top end

Professional packagings: 45 cm x 200 m catering reel, 6 rolls in cardboard box 57 cm x 200 m catering reel, 6 rolls in cardboard box 40 x 60 cm sheet, 500 sheets in dispenser box 45 x 75 cm sheet, 500 sheets in dispenser box 57 x 78 cm sheet, 500 sheets in dispenser box 43 x 56 cm sheet, 1000 sheets in dispenser box

Picture: SAGA Baking Paper professional sheets packaging

SAGA Steamable Deli Bag

SAGA Steamable Deli Bags are made of greaseproof and wet-strong paper. The maximum temperature of use is 150’C / 300’F.

Professional packagings: 12 x 23 x 7 cm, 1500 bags in cardboard box

Picture: SAGA Steamable Deli Bag Pro packaging

Marketing

The SAGA marketing builds on communicating the product benefits and distributing Cookhow, i.e. the ways in which SAGA cooking and baking products can be used. The main channels for marketing are the home page and the top chef endorsers which SAGA brand closely cooperates. Colourful food images as well as simplistic red pictograms are the cornerstones of brand’s visual communication.

Benefits: SAGA Benefits feature six statements that relate to time and cost effectiveness, healthiness, aroma, cleaning and wear of dishes, hygiene, and environment.

Cookhow: SAGA Cookhow is a term designed by SAGA marketing to highlight and suggest different end-uses of SAGA products. The Cookhow is promoted in all marketing from website, brochures and packagings. For example, SAGA Cooking Paper 12 m roll package features six Cookhow images of aroma cooking (boiling/steaming) interleaving, lining dishes, sushi rolling, oven cooking and gratinating.

Top chefs: SAGA partner chefs have designed recipes where SAGA products are used. Occasionally, they also do cooking presentations in trade shows and fairs. In Finland, the chef partner has been Arto Rastas (2009-), in Germany Alexander Herrmann (2009-), and in Poland , Zbyszek Łęgowski (2010-).

Packagings: The main colours of the packagings are red, black and white, and feature cookhow images.

Website: SAGA has its own website at www.sagacook.com which will be completely renewed by the end of 2010. The new website will feature different sections for professional and consumer users in 6 languages (English, Finnish, German, French, Polish and Russian).

Slogans

The SAGA slogan is Lovely Little Things. This refers to aromatic tastes, wellbeing, enjoyment – the good little things over good food. Leaving the main role to the food itself, the slogan is used to communicate that SAGA products are the little helpers in the kitchen that ease and enhance the process of cooking and baking.

The SAGA slogan has been translated into several languages.

English: Lovely Little Things German: Man nehme eine Prise Herz French: Délicieuses Petites Astuces Polish: Mała Wielka Rzecz Russian: Ваш Замечательный Помощник Spanish: Pequeños y Adorables Detalles Italian: Deliziose Piccole Bonta

Company

The SAGA trademark is owned, managed and marketed by Metsä Tissue , world's leading supplier of cooking paper products and also leading tissue paper products supplier to households and large-scale consumers in Europe. The company has mills and converting sites in Finland, Germany, Poland, Russia, Slovakia and Sweden as well as several sales offices across Europe. The head office is located in Espoo, Finland.

Metsä Tissue as a company has its origins in G.A. Serlachius Oy, a Finnish wood processing company founded in 1868. Metsä Tissue is a part of the Metsäliitto Group, an international forest industry group.

External Links

www.sagacook.com www.metsatissue.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by SagaUser (talk • contribs) 10:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)