Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Assessment/A-Class review/New Jersey Route 55
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Successful –Juliancolton | Talk 01:48, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
New Jersey Route 55 edit
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New Jersey Route 55 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) review
- Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
- Nominator's comments: A well-written GA that has a lot of information and has the potential to go farther.
- Nominated by: ---Dough4872 18:54, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- First comment occurred: 22:12, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Tentative oppose: decent overall, but it needs work. The route description strikes me as quite boring and dry. Turn-by-turn, intersection-by-intersection info is acceptable, but the prose should be more than a rehash of an atlas. Anything to make it more interesting and accessible would be good, since this section should describe the route as a whole, not explain every last minor detail. Also, there are some pretty random and poorly-sourced facts like The CR 555 exit provides access to the WheatonArts and the Creative Glass Center of America. –Juliancolton | Talk 22:12, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]- Could you give me a specific list of what sentences need to be fixed in the route description and how I should go about fixing them in order to make improvements to the article? In order to make the route description interesting, I tried adding information about attractions that can be accessed from Route 55, leading to sentences like The CR 555 exit provides access to the WheatonArts and the Creative Glass Center of America. Is there a better way sentences like this can be worded? ---Dough4872 03:58, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I guess my concerns aren't really actionable, so I've stricken my oppose –Juliancolton | Talk 02:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you give me a specific list of what sentences need to be fixed in the route description and how I should go about fixing them in order to make improvements to the article? In order to make the route description interesting, I tried adding information about attractions that can be accessed from Route 55, leading to sentences like The CR 555 exit provides access to the WheatonArts and the Creative Glass Center of America. Is there a better way sentences like this can be worded? ---Dough4872 03:58, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, no map. --Rschen7754 21:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Review by Imzadi1979
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My overall impression of the article is that it is well-researched, the quality of the information provided is high, the photos and map add to the article as well. The prose needs editing though to bring the quality up. Imzadi1979 (talk) 21:40, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
I've made some copyediting to address my remaining concerns with the article. The author will need to verify that I haven't altered what is being referenced in one case in the Future section. Additionally, I have tagged a sentence that needs some clarification. Once that's done, I'll be able to support this article. Imzadi1979 (talk) 18:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I looked over the Future section and there were no alterations to the content. In addition, I made some rewordings in the history to remove the unclear item. ---Dough4872 04:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – now supporting promotion. Imzadi1979 (talk) 05:17, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Preliminary review by TMF
A full prose review will follow at some point. In the meantime, here's what I saw at first glance:
- Do both alternate names in the infobox apply to NJ 55?
- The formed/completion dates in the infobox are unsourced.
- At least two pictures have fixed sizes.
- The date formatting used in the references is inconsistent. Please choose one or the other and use only that format for all dates in the references. I personally prefer American (M D, Y).
- The lead, route description, history, and future sections all have long paragraphs.
- The $90 million figure in the history needs an inflation conversion.
- Reference 1 indicates that the SLD was published in 2009, but the given access date is from 2007.
- Exit 56A/B: is the given milepost ("56.4") an approximation or a precision error ("56.40")?
That's all for now. – TMF 19:17, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
- I'm not convinced that Veteran's Memorial Highway should be bolded, it is a common name for a highway and the article for Veteran's Memorial is a disambiguation page, not a redirect to this article. Might want to get a second opinion on that.
- feared - IMO that's a little too strong of word for an encyclopedia.
- I'd minimize the future content in the lead. Two reasons- one it's temporary and will have to be changed eventually. Two, there's not really space to explain the initialism PATCO, which needs to be done on first mention.
Route description:
- attractions in Millville - I'd expand, what attractions? IMO the attractions are more interesting than the turn-by-turn route description.
History
- "at this time." doesn't sound right, maybe "that same year" or "about this time" maybe?
- "that was not successful." Need to clarify, what was not successful, the route or the lawsuits?
- "bad fate fell upon many construction workers" That's pretty gutsy to say in the encyclopedia. I didn't even say that in the US-666 article. I'd maybe say "a couple of unfortunate incidents happened after the lawsuit". In addition the examples don't support "many" as they list 6 workers.
- Again the initialism PATCO needs to be explained on first mention. Also having the words "speedline" and "rail line" right next to each other is a little awkward.
- "it was never built" -> "plans were cancelled" or "to date has not been built" Never say Never =-)
- 1.0 mile (1.6 km); with the advent of cell phones the usage of these call boxes became extremely limited." Two issues, fix the convert template, or manually do the conversion 1.0 mile is a little rough, maybe Every mile (about 1.6 km)... Also, are you sure the call boxes predate the advent of Cell phones? Cell phones have been around for a long time (1960's anyways), they just didn't get cheap enough for the masses until 20 years ago or so. In California, the call boxes WERE (and are) cell phones, just solar powered, permanently mounted ones.
Future
- You have the word still in 3 back to back sentences.
- "In his proposal, he announced" is wordy, could eliminate one of those clauses.
Exit list
- The note for mp 60.54 is curious. Wouldn't that mean that Exit 56A is signed "To 42 South"? If so wouldn't that be the more elegant way of saying that instead of "all traffic must use NJ41 to access NJ42 South"?
- The note for exit 35, IMO, should read "Southbound signed as exits 35A (east)...." This avoids the words west and southbound from being next to each other.
Pretty good, no problem supporting once these issues are resolved. Dave (talk) 05:45, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review, I have replied to the above comments. ---Dough4872 16:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- With these changes I can now support the promotion of this article. I would like to go on record that I agree with Jullian in that I also am not a fan of the turn-by-turn route description. Were I writing this the route description would be shorter. However, you've got enough content interspersed in the route description that is not turn-by-turn that I made it through. I also recognize that everybody has a different style and I imagine there are fans of the turn-by-turn style. Dave (talk) 05:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review, I have replied to the above comments. ---Dough4872 16:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Per the new requirements at WP:RJL, please change # in the table header of the junction list to "Exit". --Rschen7754 07:22, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Second review by TMF
- Infobox:
"Veteran's Memorial Highway" - Veteran's or Veterans? A Google News and web search both seem to indicate that the latter is the correct name.De-link the second instance of Millville (Route 47).
- Lead:
Veteran's again."In 1962, the New Jersey Expressway Authority was created to build the Cape May Expressway along with the Atlantic City Expressway to Atlantic City." - I would consider dropping "to Atlantic City" here as to me it makes it seem like both highways were supposed to end in Atlantic City.Instead, I would simplify the sentence to read "... created to build the Cape May Expressway and the Atlantic City Expressway.""Meanwhile, the portion south of Route 47 in Port Elizabeth to the Garden State Parkway in Middle Township was canceled in 1975 due to anticipated environmental impact." - the back end of the sentence ("due" onward) seems a bit off. Adding a "the" in between due and to makes it a bit better, but the sentence still ends in an awkward fashion. I suggest adding a short phrase to it to close the thought properly, such as "... impact that the highway would have" or such.- Reworded. ---Dough4872 22:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Plans have resurfaced for a southern extension of Route 55 due to the need to reduce traffic jams on Route 47 in the summer months and provide an adequate evacuation route for the Cape May Peninsula." - I don't really like how the first two-thirds of this sentence is phrased. "due to the need to reduce traffic jams on Route 47" is excessively wordy, but I can't think of an alternative that works with the existing first third of the sentence. Maybe "However, traffic jams on Route 47 during the summer months and the lack of an adequate evacuation route for the Cape May Peninsula have led officials to reexamine the possibility of extending Route 55 southward to <wherever's being discussed, which isn't clear from the article>.", assuming that's all backed up by sources. I assume the ST of the studied extension is Cape May, but like I said it's not explicitly clear, at least not to anyone that doesn't know what's 20 miles from the end of current Route 55.
- RD:
Section (sec) 1, paragraph (par) 3, sentence (sen) 1: wikilink Conrail SAO.Sec 2, par 1, sen 1: there should be a comma after "Gloucester County".Sec 2, par 2, sen 2: "CR 538" is broken onto two lines on my layout, which tells me this article is missing some non-breaking spaces. A quick scan of the article's source code tells me that it doesn't have any.
- History:
Par 2, sen 3: "with a completion date of 1975" sounds strange. Maybe "and be completed in 1975".Par 3, sen 3: "mid 1970s" needs a hyphen.Par 4, sen 3: "unfortunate" - POV? Additionally, I would consider merging sentences three and four to reduce redundancy. (Something like "After the lawsuits, there were several accidents involving construction workers at work on Route 55, such as a construction worker ...")Par 5, sen 4: "When a feasibility study was conducted to see if the extension of Route 55 could be built, plans resurfaced for a southern extension in 1993" - this doesn't seem right. Wouldn't plans to extend the road precede the conducting of studies?
- Future
Par 2, sen 3: "It is also anticipated that the extension of Route 55 will be tolled" - I would use "would be tolled" here since this is all just a proposal and nothing's set in stone.Par 2, sen 6: "A southern extension of Route 55 may also utilize portions of Route 47 and Route 347 upgraded to freeway standard." - I don't quite get what this sentence is saying. Would parts of 47 and 347 be upgraded to freeways that would then become part of 55?- Yes, that is what the sentence is trying to convey. ---Dough4872 22:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It needs to be reworded then as the current wording would likely confuse most readers. – TMF 04:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Reworded. ---Dough4872 17:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, the point that the sentence is trying to make is clear now, but the wording of it leaves a bit to be desired. "upgraded to freeway standard" seems off, for one. I'd suggest making standard "standards", but I've never heard of anyone use the term "freeway standards". The whole sentence needs a top-to-bottom copyedit. – TMF 01:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Reworded. ---Dough4872 17:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It needs to be reworded then as the current wording would likely confuse most readers. – TMF 04:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, that is what the sentence is trying to convey. ---Dough4872 22:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Other
Refs: some (all?) uses of {{cite news}} have the newspaper name in the publisher parameter and italicized. The name of the paper should be in the newspaper parameter, which automatically italicizes the name of the paper.Moar refs: Ref 36 seems to be a press release; there's a {{cite press release}} for those. I don't know if any other references are press releases; I only checked out #36 on a whim.Ref 14: check to see if this is the standard notation for citing a New Jersey state law. I'm no law buff, so I don't know if this is right or not. Either way, a space needs to be added to "Section1".- Alt text is OK. Given the current state that WP:ALT is in right now, I'm not sure how much alt text matters at this time anyway. – TMF 07:19, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Per a recent change to MOS:RJL, the "Exit" header in the exit list should be delinked. – TMF 20:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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