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Promoted. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

M-28 Business (Newberry, Michigan)

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M-28 Business (Newberry, Michigan) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) review

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
Nominator's comments: The first business loop for M-28, and now the last BUS M-28 article to come to the ACR process.
Nominated by: Imzadi1979 (talk) 16:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
First comment occurred: 22:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Please fix the alt text - check the tool for details. --Rschen7754 22:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ok, so the edit that added it before I nominated it didn't save. Re-added the ALT text again. Imzadi1979 (talk) 22:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The article is entirely reliant on map sources. Are there any non-map sources mentioning the business route available? Other than that, I would be willing to support the article. ---Dough4872 23:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's the Michigan Highways site, but that's an SPS. Any newspaper archives for the area are not available online for the 1930s–1950s. It didn't have a memorial highway or other name applied to any part of it, so it's not in the Leo Barnett book about MI's named highways. Google doesn't turn up anything except mirrors of this page, or the Michigan Highways website, but it does appear on the maps I have. Imzadi1979 (talk) 03:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Support - Since my question has been answered, I will now support. ---Dough4872 03:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support straight out of the box. Great job. One recommendation though...would you consider removing the legend from the junction list (using a more generic table end template like {{jctbtm}})? This jctlist uses no colors, and colors are against STDS now, anyway. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Since only one color is allowed now (the unbuilt shading), I have considered modifying {{jcttop}} to accept an unbuilt parameter of some sort. That way, nothing is displayed if no colors are used and if the unbuilt color is used, it will display a hatnote saying "Entries in gray are unbuilt highways" or some such. As for the article, I'll make a review of it at some point in the near future. – TMF 19:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've modified the {{MIintbtm}} template to be a redirect of {{jctbtm}} since I did an AWB run to remove all the colors from MI articles. Imzadi1979 (talk) 19:39, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, my suggestion was more of a nationwide suggestion since there are states that use the unbuilt shading and I have seen reviewers comment in the past on how we don't provide an explanation of what the shading means. – TMF 22:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved issues from – TMF 07:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Preliminary review by TMF

A full prose review will follow at some point. In the meantime, here's what I saw at first glance:

  • I don't think all of the data sources for the map are listed. The local streets and urban areas were likely derived from TIGER data, which isn't mentioned on the map's information page.
  • The second link to Pentland Township in the infobox is unnecessary.
  • Since the "M-28BR" abbreviation isn't used anywhere in the article, I wouldn't list it.
  • I'm not enamored by the lack of variety in the type of sources, but I don't see it as an issue. Others (particularly if this article is taken to FAC) might, though, but you probably already know that given how many times you've been there.
  • Could the oversized history paragraph be broken up into at least two paragraphs?
  • The termini notations in the junction list are unnecessary.
  • I would utilize the "spur_of"/"spur_type" infobox params here to make up for the absence of a browse row.

That's all for now. – TMF 19:29, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll ping Algo about the map, but the rest is done. Imzadi1979 (talk) 20:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved issues struck, and the last seems to be unactionable. Neutral until I carry out a full review of the article. – TMF 05:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Review by Rschen7754
  • "It ran west of the city of Newberry, passing through the community of Dollarville before entering downtown. Once in downtown Newberry, the highway turned south and ended near the county airport." - consider combining sentences
  • RD - again with "West of the Luce County Airport, M-117/BUS M-28 met M-28. M-117 turned west along M-28 and the business loop ended."
  • In a RD of this length no two sentences should start with the same word.
  • Standard disclaimer about short articles at FAC, of course.
  • Standard disclaimer about articles using only maps, of course. (I say these things just to acknowledge that you are aware of the risks of taking such an article to FAC. I still hope for its success though). --Rschen7754 03:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Copy edits made. I don't have any plans to take this article to FAC. Imzadi1979 (talk) 04:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Still missing one. --Rschen7754 04:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Must have missed that when I was saving the edit... Imzadi1979 (talk) 04:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • Support promotion with the FAC disclaimer. --Rschen7754 04:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved issues from – TMF 04:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Second review by TMF
  • RD:
    • Section 2: "M-117/Newberry Avenue" - was/is M-117 routed on Newberry Ave? If so, I'd put the street name in parentheticals instead. If not, I'd replace the slash with "and".
    • Same for the other two slashes; I'd use "and" but there's probably nothing wrong with using slashes. Just personal preference.
  • History:
    • Is it known when M-28 was originally assigned onto what became M-28A/M-28 BUS?
    • "The BUS M-28 designation would remain in place" --> "designation remained in place"
  • Other:
    • A photo of M-28 BUS's former routing as it is today would add to the article's quality.
    • There's at least one instance where a non-breaking space is missing ("April 15, 1953" in the History section). – TMF 07:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Made the suggested changes in the RD and History section. Now, as for the photo, I'll keep looking, but that might have to wait until my next drive up north. I can't find where a non-breaking space would be required. Dates don't use them, as it is perfectly acceptable for a date to break in the middle. Imzadi1979 (talk) 08:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that having a date break between the month and the day "might be disruptive to the reader" (wording from here) but to each their own since it doesn't seem to be explicitly mandated. I'll wait to see how feasible it is for a photo to be added in the near future; however, if a photo will be added later, I could possibly AGF and pass it on that promise. – TMF 08:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Photo has been added now. Imzadi1979 (talk) 02:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all major issues resolved. As others commented above, this likely needs more work to get to FA, but since the nominator has indicated that he has no plans to pursue FAC with this article, this is a moot point. – TMF 04:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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