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Yugoslav destroyer Beograd

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Yugoslav destroyer Beograd (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Beograd is a classic example of a WWII Yugoslav ship in that she served several masters. The lead ship of her class, she was commissioned shortly before the war, then captured by the Italians in April 1941 and used by them as an escort on the North Africa run before being captured from them by the Germans in September 1943. She was then employed by them in the Adriatic until almost the last week of the war when she was either sunk or scuttled at Trieste. All suggestions for improvements gratefully received. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:24, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Indy

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Looks like a great article. I did some research (everything appears accurate) and found some information which you might want to include. According to the following source [Preston, Antony; Jordan, John; Dent, Stephen (2005). Warship. Conway Maritime Press. p. 99.] the Beograd's keel was laid down in 1936. Also it notes that while she was designed to have a top speed of 39 knots (somewhat different from your source, which says 38), "in practice" she only reached 35. Hope this helps! -Indy beetle (talk) 23:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

G'day, thanks for that, Indy beetle! I have added the keel laying detail and linked, and added the other detail cited to Preston et al. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:06, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
On that note I'm happy to offer this article my support for A-class. Keep up the great work! -Indy beetle (talk) 06:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Llammakey

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  • Propeller is mispelled in description section. Should also be linked. Nautical miles too should be linked.
  • Sister ship should be linked
    • Both  Done
  • Instead of "when Beograd was damaged by near misses from Italian aircraft off Šibenik when her starboard engine was put out of action, after which she limped to the Bay of Kotor for repairs, escorted by the remainder of the force" I suggest " but the naval prong of the attack faltered when Beograd's starboard engine was put out of action after a series of near misses from Italian aircraft off Šibenik. The destroyer then limped to the Bay of Kotor for repairs, escorted by the remainder of the force"
    • Good suggestion,  Done
  • Some discussion of her commissioning into the Yugoslav navy somewhere. You have a date in the infobox, but it's not cited anywhere.
    • last sentence of the Description and construction section
  • Minelaying should be linked.
    •  Done
  • Good article overall Llammakey (talk) 22:36, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by AustralianRupert

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Support: Nice work. I have a few prose suggestions, but otherwise it looks pretty good to me: AustralianRupert (talk) 12:00, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Her turbines were rated at 40,000 shp (30,000 kW)[a]..." instead of contrasting the figures with the note, maybe it would be easier to contrast them in text. For instance, "Her turbines were rated at between 40,000 shp (30,000 kW) and 44,000 shp (33,000 kW)..."
  • Done, it was a bit clunky.
  • "which gave her a radius of action of 1,000 nautical miles" --> "which gave her an action radius of 1,000 nautical miles"
  • Done.
  • "She was laid down in 1936...": I suggest moving this sentence down into the Service history section
  • I see that information as part of her construction details rather than service history, and I think that is the general approach used by others.
  • No worries, my main concern is that the following section starts abruptly, so I was thinking moving something down into it might help. Otherwise, I wonder if there is something that can be done about the first sentence of the Service history section. For me the ship just seems to appear in the UK as if viewed from a different perspective than the subject of the article itself...Hmm, not sure I'm articulating my concern very well. Sorry. I will have a think about this a bit more and get back to you. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 04:25, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • in the infobox: "Speed: 38 knots" --> I wonder if this shouldn't be 35 knots as the body notes that the vessel only achieved 35 knots in service
  • Good point, fixed.
  • I found the start of the "Italy" section a little abrupt. I wonder if potentially, this might be smoother: "In Italian service, Beograd was refitted and repaired..."
  • Good suggestion, done.
  • "It is likely that her aft...": I'd suggest potentially attributing this in text. For instance, "According to author M.J. Whitley..."
  • Done.
  • "The term Ausland and prefix TA referred to the fact that she was..." --> "The term Ausland and prefix TA were used to denote that she was..."?
  • Done.
  • what did the ship do between September 1943 and February 1945? Was it still under repair/refit, or when did that finish?
  • I think the implication is that she didn't go back into service until February 1945, given she was damaged/unserviceable at time of capture and also had her armament augmented, but none of the sources say that.

Image review (and a suggestion) by Ian

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  • The sole image (used in several related articles) is appropriately licensed.
  • PM, I won't go through the whole article but would just suggest that you could apply recommendations from the Beograd-class FAC that are relevant to this article (if you haven't done so already of course).

Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Ian Rose, there was only the one that I could see, but I did some cross-pollination back the other way as well. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:50, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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