Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/William Edward Sanders

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William Edward Sanders edit

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Here is an article covering another one of New Zealand's WWI Victoria Cross recipients, this time William Sanders, New Zealand's only naval VC recipient. He was awarded the VC for his actions as commander of a Q-ship when it attacked a U-boat. It went through the GA process back in 2014, and I have done some expansion work since in preparing the article for nomination for A-Class. I look forward to reviewers' feedback. Zawed (talk) 00:40, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~~Comments~~ by Ian

Copyedited as usual so pls let me know any concerns. One query:
- "the First Sea Lord, Admiral Sir John Jellicoe, offered Sanders command of a destroyer of his choosing, which he declined" -- this seems pretty amazing to me, any more details on his reasons?

Apparently he wanted to stay in command of the Prize. I have added this to article. Zawed (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Structure and level of detail seem reasonable.
Source review:
- Sources look to be of good quality except -- perhaps I missed something -- what makes Tauranga Memories reliable?
  - That was added by another editor. It looks to be written by an amateur genologist. I have deleted as Howard covers this point too. Zawed (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- All links check out.
- Formatting looks okay except FN18 and FN29 are evidently misnamed -- should they both be Howard 2007?

Whoops, mind must have been elsewhere when I added those. Have fixed. Zawed (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Image review:
- The one image (which I took the liberty of cleaning up and cropping, let me know if you don't think it's an improvement) is appropriately licensed.
- I'm assuming there's no images available of any of Sanders' ships. Could there be an image out there of a Q-Ship that might add to the article? Or any of the U-Boats in the story?

Have added image of a Q-Ship, unfortunately couldn't locate one of Prize that I could ascertain the provenance of. Zawed (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:34, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ian Rose: thanks for the feedback, I have dealt with your points above. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tks Zawed, happy to support; well done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:46, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comments~~Support by PM

Nice job. An impressive bloke. The only queries I had was should D-6, UB-48 and Leander be consistently italicised, and link HMS D6? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:10, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking at this and catching the inconsistency regarding italics. I have sorted this and linked the D-6. Thanks again. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 23:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comments~~ Support by Kges1901 Excellent work, Zawed. Comments:

before transferring to sailing ships working around New Zealand waters Repetition of work, could the second part of the sentence be rephrased?

Have done. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

link master's to master (naval) as that might confuse unfamiliar readers

Good point. Done, and I also linked "mate" as well. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In 'First World War', should it be 'the' Moeraki as you use 'the' for Joseph Craig above?

Yes, have fixed. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

some time at the HMS Do the sources give anything more specific than 'some time'?

Have rephrased to give some context for period of time. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also, is the specific date when he started service aboard Helgoland known?

Yes, have added. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In this first engagement, was the U-boat being attacked or was she attacking them?

Have rephrased this in an attempt to make more clear. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

'HMS' Prize links to a disambig page. Suggest that be expanded at some point, though not a pressing issue.

Have now created an article specifically for the ship. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

collected three survivors including her captain Perhaps explain how the survivors escaped since the submarine survived, and perhaps clarify 'her' so that it is explicitly the U-boat captain.

Have revised this section. Zawed (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In 'Medals and Legacy' perhaps mention that the training ship Leander is operated by the NZ Sea Cadets in the text. Linking training ship to Sea Cadets may be unexpected for the reader, perhaps link training ship to training ship.

Kges1901 (talk) 13:08, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have done. @Kges1901:: thank you for your review and comments. I have responded to them individually above. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for addressing the comments. Kges1901 (talk) 11:06, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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