Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/SMS Körös
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SMS Körös saw action at Belgrade and elsewhere in WWI as part of the Austro-Hungarian Danube Flotilla, and after transfer to the newly created Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later Yugoslavia), she saw service as Morava during the Axis invasion in April 1941. Scuttled, she was raised and served the Navy of the Axis puppet state the Independent State of Croatia as Bosna until she hit a mine and sank in June 1944. My second ACR foray with river monitors of Yugoslavia following the recent promotion of Yugoslav monitor Vardar. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 03:35, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank (push to talk)
- "120 mm (4.7 in)/L35 guns": There are a lot of things that would work for me, such as "120 mm (4.7 in), 35-caliber guns", but not this. This notation suggests that "(4.7 in)" is part of the name of the gun.
- Search throughout for "subsequently", and replace it with soon, later, later on, consequently, or something else, depending on its meaning.
- Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 20:49, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Dan! Will do. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Comments Who said that river monitors are boring? This ship certainly had a busy career! I have the following comments:
- Can anything be said about the ship in the periods 1892-1914 or 1920-1941?
- Not that I can find. Given the lack of opportunity for "peacetime cruises", perhaps not surprising. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- That's a shame. My understanding is that ships like this often spent lengthy periods out of commission, so that might be part of the story. Nick-D (talk) 11:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have to go into the uni library to check a possible source for the inter-war years, but it may not help much with this one, because it is a British political summary and may only cover international visits at sea (rather than on rivers). Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- That's a shame. My understanding is that ships like this often spent lengthy periods out of commission, so that might be part of the story. Nick-D (talk) 11:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Not that I can find. Given the lack of opportunity for "peacetime cruises", perhaps not surprising. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- "The following day, Körös assisted SMS Enns when she took a direct hit and began to take on water." - which ship was hit is a bit unclear (I'd suggest tweaking this to "The following day, Körös assisted SMS Enns when the latter took a direct hit and began to take on water" or similar)
- Was the ship's armament changed over time? The anti-aircraft guns obviously wouldn't have been part of her original fit out.
- Probably, but according to Greger (an authority on Austro-Hungarian naval matters), the two 66mm guns were part of her original fit out. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- "Morava was subsequently raised and repaired by the navy of an Axis puppet state, the Independent State of Croatia, in which she served as Bosna." - I take it that no date is available here?
- No, I haven't been able to locate one. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- "She struck a mine and sank in June 1944" - similarly, I imagine that a location isn't available? (I imagine that this was the result of the very successful mining campaign against the Danube conducted by Allied heavy bombers, in case that helps with further research) Nick-D (talk) 05:21, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- Managed to find a reference in Warship Intl. Added. Thanks for the review, Nick. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Support My comments are now sufficiently addressed. I suspect that the gaps in the ship's history will be a barrier to this reaching FA status, unfortunately. Nick-D (talk) 11:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- I won't be nominating it for FA unless I can fill the gaps. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 23:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Support Comments - not much to nitpick here.
- Please add armor to the infobox.
- Done (I screwed up the syntax, curly brackets were missing...) Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- See some "she"s and "it"s - should probably be standardized. Parsecboy (talk) 15:34, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- @Parsecboy: not sure where you mean? I've stuck to "she" as far as I can see. There are a couple of references to flotillas that use "it"... Let me know? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- Guess I misred those lines. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 17:09, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 21:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- Guess I misred those lines. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 17:09, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- @Parsecboy: not sure where you mean? I've stuck to "she" as far as I can see. There are a couple of references to flotillas that use "it"... Let me know? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria: would you mind doing an image review on this one, Nikki? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 21:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Image review
- File:SMS_Körös_in_the_Danube_in_1914.jpg: where was this postcard published? Nikkimaria (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- According to the site it was obtained from, the postcard was sent to an Austro-Hungarian Empire ship, the SMS Erzherzog Friedrich in 1914 (when she was deployed in the Med). Does sending a postcard through the mail count as having been published? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 22:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- The image was published - I was just wondering about the copyright status in its source country. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- OK. Austria-Hungary I expect. I don't know what happened to Austro-Hungarian copyright after 1918. Any ideas? Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 09:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- As far as I've been able to tell, it would have continued to fall under the Austro-Hungarian law until Austria created its own copyright legislation, which I think was in 1936 - if that's the case the copyright would have expired 10 years after publication. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:06, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Good enough for me. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 21:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- As far as I've been able to tell, it would have continued to fall under the Austro-Hungarian law until Austria created its own copyright legislation, which I think was in 1936 - if that's the case the copyright would have expired 10 years after publication. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:06, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- OK. Austria-Hungary I expect. I don't know what happened to Austro-Hungarian copyright after 1918. Any ideas? Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 09:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- The image was published - I was just wondering about the copyright status in its source country. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- According to the site it was obtained from, the postcard was sent to an Austro-Hungarian Empire ship, the SMS Erzherzog Friedrich in 1914 (when she was deployed in the Med). Does sending a postcard through the mail count as having been published? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 22:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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