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Another New Zealand VC recipient of the Second World War, Leonard Trent was the pilot of a Ventura that was shot down on a bombing raid to Holland in 1943. His VC was in recognition of his actions in pressing on with the raid despite being attacked by fighter planes and subject to heavy anti-aircraft fire. He spent the rest of the war as a POW. The article was expanded in recent weeks and subject to a GA review. Thanks to all those who stop by to review this one. Zawed (talk) 10:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by CPA-5 edit

  • flying Fairey Battles on photo-reconnaissance missions into Germany Pipe Germany to Nazi Germany.
  • He was shot down over Holland while on a bombing mission This is wrong kinda. If you are referring the Netherlands, then Holland is wrong but, if you are referring the region around Amsterdam (which is within the region Holland) then I reckon you to change it to North-Holland. The region of Holland is split into two provinces so that's why it should have North in it and link it as well.
  • Rephrased to being shot down over Amsterdam. Zawed (talk) 09:49, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In April 1919 the family relocated to Takaka, in the Golden Bay region Maybe link Golden Bay because I have no clue where that is.
  • a fighter ace of the First World War, and subsequently Link First World War here.
  • Nelson to work with his father As what, dentist?
  • After a time he moved to Wellington, taking up office work again Maybe link the capital here?
  • Trent applied for a short-term commission in the Royal Air Force (RAF) Wait a sec, why the Royal Air Force and not the New Zealand Air Force? Had the Royal Air Force still power in the country's air force?
  • Power is not quite the right word to explain it but at the time there was avery strong sense of relationship between NZ and Britain, so a lot of NZers would still think it patriotic to join the RAF. Plus the RNZAF didn't have aircraft like Spitfires and Hurricanes at the time so that is likely to be a factor for someone wanting to fly "glamourous" planes. In the late 30's, the RAF offered a number of schemes to attract good personnel from the Dominions. There was a benefit to the RNZAF because the British Government paid it for the initial training that was done in NZ. Zawed (talk) 02:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • undertook flight training at the Royal New Zealand Air Force's Link the air force.
  • Slightly rephrased and linked. Zawed (talk) 09:49, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • He gained his wings on 12 May 1938 and a month later The aircrew brevet's article said to me that the word "wings" is colloquially is that true?
  • Yes, it is more a colloquialism, a much more familiar term than "aircrew brevet". Zawed (talk) 02:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The squadron returned to operations when the Germans Pipe Germans to Nazi Germany.
  • No. 487 (NZ) Squadron, based at Feltwell in Norfolk Link Norfolk.
  • were thrown clear at 7,000 feet and became prisoners of war (POW) No metric units?
  • Added a conversion to metres. Zawed (talk) 02:16, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • the commander of No. 2 Group, Air Vice Marshal Basil Embry No hyphen for Air Vice Marshal?
  • I don't know or the Kiwis use postwar or post-war? While in British English per Ngram uses more post-war?
  • NZ would follow British English so have hyphenated
  • squadron was dispatched to Malta due to the outbreak The island of Malta or the country of Malta if the country then maybe pipe it to Crown Colony of Malta.
  • As the Queen never visited Washington during his tenure there Add D.C. here.
  • There is a memorial to Trent at the airport in Nelson, his home town Is there a link for the memorial?
  • No, it is a pretty small memorial. Zawed (talk) 02:24, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Royal New Zealand Air Force (1946–47)" --> "Royal New Zealand Air Force (1946–1947)"

Okay I think that's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 19:10, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CPA-5, thanks for the review. I have responded above. Zawed (talk) 02:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
CPA-5, anything to add? With your support this is otherwise looking ready for promotion. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:16, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry PM, I strangely don't get notifications with a u-ping or whatever it is called. It makes it odder now I get notifications from discussions where barely my name is included. I've changed it to support. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 09:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Nick-D edit

Great work as usual Zawed. I'd like to offer the following comments:

  • On 23 May, casualties in the squadron saw Trent promoted to acting flight lieutenant and taking command of one of the flights of the squadron - this is a bit repetitive (with "the squadron" being repeated")
  • Rephrased, how is it now? Zawed (talk) 00:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Operation Training Squadron" - should this be "Operational Training Squadron"?
  • Yes, this did seem off but the source said "Operation". However, on the following page, it says "Operational" so I've gone with that and extended the cited page range. Zawed (talk) 00:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do we know why Trent transferred to the RNZAF in 1945?
  • Pay and promotion prospects; I have added this in. Zawed (talk) 00:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do we know why Trent moved to Western Australia? As he would have been 50 years old at the time, he may have done so for work.
  • The article originally referred to him working as an executive for MacRobertson Miller Airlines. However, this is not mentioned in the Sanders or Te Awa biographies and I wasn't able to find a reliable source so excised this information. There are plenty of mentions of him online working for the airline but from what I've looked at, these are simply mirrors of the original Wikipedia article. Zawed (talk) 00:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair enough. I just checked the Australian Trove newspaper archive, but this is the only mention of him in Australia and it's not very useful. The folks at the very active WikiProject Western Australia might be able to check local WA resources ahead of FAC. Nick-D (talk) 01:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've made a few minor edits to simplify the wording - for instance, removing "of the"-type constructions Nick-D (talk) 02:11, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nick-D, thanks for stopping by and reviewing this one. I have responded as above. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 00:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries at all. I'm now pleased to support this nomination Nick-D (talk) 01:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by PM edit

This article is in good shape. I have a few comments:

  • could you add something about his DFC to the lead?
  • what sort of aircraft did No. 487 (NZ) Squadron fly?
  • Venturas - have added to lead. Zawed (talk) 09:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • link prisoner of war
  • say the Bristol Blenheim IV was a light bomber
  • link Flight (military unit)
  • suggest saying what Operation Dynamo was
  • was athe squadron leader?
  • muchmany of its flying personnel
  • link flight commander
  • many crews members were novices
  • link formation flying
  • Eindhoven in the Netherlands
  • link Low Countries
* Done. Zawed (talk) 09:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • diversion tofor another raid
* Done. Zawed (talk) 09:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • link Czechoslovakia (because it doesn't exist anymore)
* Done. Zawed (talk) 09:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • in the infobox, suggest Fremantle Cemetery, Western Australia
  • RAF Wittering is listed in the infobox, but is not in the body
  • It is in the body although I had pipelinked it so the RAF didn't show. I've rephrased it now as I noticed that the word "station" was usd in close succession. Zawed (talk) 09:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I could find, great work. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Peacemaker67, I have responded as above. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 09:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, a pleasure. Nice work as always. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review edit

  • File:Trent Grindell Turnbull IWM HU 81283.jpg needs to reflect that the assumption is that it was taken by a RAF member because it was taken on a RAF base. Otherwise the fact that it was created by the UK government could be questioned. Something along the lines of that used on File:487 Squadron RNZAF NCOs RAF Methold early 1943.JPG, "Photograph taken by service personnel employed by the UK government in the course of their duties and thus subject to UK copyright law as under PD-UKGov."
  • The other photographs are appropriately licensed and their captions are fine.

That's it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have added a clarifying statement to the "Trent Grindell Turnbull" photograph. Thanks for looking at this. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 09:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review edit

  • All references are RS and formatted appropriately. For consistency, I would use sfn for Hayward 2000 (the entry in the NZ DNB) but that's only aesthetics. Kges1901 (talk) 12:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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