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Article promoted by Peacemaker67 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 13:06, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

25th Battalion (New Zealand) edit

Nominator(s): Zawed (talk)

25th Battalion (New Zealand) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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I am nominating this article for A-Class review because I believe it meets the appropriate criteria. The 25th Battalion was part of 6th Infantry Brigade, 2nd New Zealand Division, and served in the campaigns in Greece, North Africa, and Italy. It has just undergone a GA review and hope that as a result of the A-Class review it will be further improved. Besides, I think it is about time we had an A-Class article for a New Zealand battalion given all the ones we have for Australian battalions... Zawed (talk) 07:52, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support: I reviewed this article for GA status and I think it is in pretty good shape. Whole heartedly agree that we need more A-class articles on NZ infantry battalions! I have a couple of further suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 08:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • I wonder if it would be possible to add a note, or an explanation as to how the 2 NZEF infantry battalions were designated. E.g. why did they start numbering them at 18? [1]
  • Have added a note to this effect.
  • also I wonder if links could be added to the battle honours to the various battles themselves?
  • Hmmm, this may create dupelinks as some are already linked in the main text of the article. Plus I suspect a few may not have articles yet.
  • G'day, duplinks aren't an issue in lists, I believe. If the articles on the individual battles don't exist, you could probably just get away with piping the links through to the campaign articles. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, cheers. Zawed (talk) 09:14, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: As always, feel free to revert. Recently, I've been doing the same things at A-class that I've been doing at Peer Review, and not supporting or opposing. I've copyedited down to North Africa and skimmed the rest, and I don't think prose issues will be a problem at WP:FAC. If you take the article there, I'll be happy to support on prose and copyedit the rest (eventually). - Dank (push to talk) 15:08, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks Dank. I revised the lede slightly to better explain the presence of the partisans. Zawed (talk) 09:22, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments This article provides comprehensive coverage of its topic. I have the following comments:

  • Additional photos and maps would be helpful
  • Have added a few photos. Unfortunately, compared to some other 2NZEF battalions, there are relatively few images relating to 25th Battalion that I can be confident on regarding their copyright status. Zawed (talk) 09:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can it be said what the battalion's casualties in Greece were?
  • "Here, along with the rest of the 6th Brigade, the battalion manned defences against a possible attack" - from whom? (irregulars?) Any Axis forces would have had to pass through the Alexandria-Cairo area first.
  • "The battalion shifted to the Baggush Box" - where was this?
  • Have added location information. Zawed (talk) 07:20, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Burton, promoted to lieutenant colonel, commanded the battalion until 12 September at which time he went on leave and was replaced by Lieutenant Colonel Ian Bonifant" - is "went on leave" a euphemism in the source, or was he due for leave in NZ? This seems a bit unusual.
  • Source does state leave, I suspect to Cairo because it is too early for furlough back to NZ (which only started in late 1943). I have added a note on his later commands. Zawed (talk) 09:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd suggest noting the NZ division's reorganisation to include an armoured brigade in the Italy section
    Rather than integrating in the main text, I have added two separate notes covering this; one for the withdrawal of the 4th Brigade for conversion and one for its return in time for the Italian Campaign. Zawed (talk) 08:22, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd suggest including that text in the body of the article so that readers aren't surprised by the appearance of NZ armoured regiments in the last third or so of the article. Nick-D (talk) 10:25, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    OK Nick-D, have revised, how does it read now? Zawed (talk) 07:16, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    That looks good to me Nick-D (talk) 07:17, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are there any monuments to this battalion? Nick-D (talk) 02:56, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not as far as I'm aware.

Nick-D, thanks for the review, much appreciated. I have made a start on some of the issues you have raised, I will be working on the others over the next couple of days. Cheers. Zawed (talk) 07:20, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nick-D, I have finished off the remaining work, I believe I have addressed all your points. Thanks again. Zawed (talk) 08:22, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support My comments are now addressed, though I've made a suggestion above. Nick-D (talk) 10:25, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support
    • No dabs, external links check out, no duplicate links, no issues with repeated refs/ref consolidation (no action req'd)
    • Earwig tool reveals no issues with close paraphrase etc, only seems to be picking up on proper nouns and common words which can not be avoided [2] (no action req'd).
    • Images mostly lack alt text so you might consider adding it, although it is not a req for A (suggestion only)
    • Image review: all images appear to be PD and have the req'd information and templates.
    • Captions look ok.
    • "The 6th Brigade moved on quickly to take Point 175, which was held by German forces, as soon as possible..." The "as soon as possible" part might be redundant here so I suggest removing it (suggestion only).
    • "It reentered the frontlines, near the town of Faenza, in late November, under V Corps..." Could V Corps be wikilinked so as to confirm its identity.
    • In places there seems to be an overuse of ranks (per WP:SURNAME they are really only req'd at first instance as part of formal introduction). Of cse in some places you use this quite correctly when key officers are promoted, and to avoid confusion, so this is wiggle room etc but you might want to review your usage here and remove ranks when not req'd (suggestion only).
    • I made a few edits, pls see here to check them [3]
    • Otherwise this looks very good. Anotherclown (talk) 00:24, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for the review, Anotherclown, I have made the changes you suggested, including adding alt text to the images. Cheers. Zawed (talk) 09:15, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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