Wikipedia:WikiProject Highways/Assessment/A-Class Review/Ontario Highway 71

Ontario Highway 71 edit

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Suggestion: Promote to A-Class

Nominator's comments: Highway 71 is an important highway in northwestern Ontario that connects Highway 11 and Highway 17. The highway was a substantial undertaking in the 1930s and as such has a rich history. I feel the article details the highway in a well written, well sourced and comprehensive manner, making it an ideal candidate to promote to A-Class.

Nominated by: Floydian ^τ _¢ 20:30, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First comment occurred:

Review by TCN7JM edit

Review by TCN7JM

I can probably review this article either tonight or tomorrow night. T C N7JM 02:55, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well...five days later, here we are. Anyway, I do have a few comments.

For A-class, it would be really great if we could get a map.
In the Route description, you should mention which highway is on the other side of the bridge at Fort Frances and, for more detail, which state it crosses into.
The lead paragraph of the History section needs at least one source.
"The old routes were decommissioned on February 8, and the new route designated on March 10, 1954." Seeing as you mention 1953 in the previous sentence, and that February 8 doesn't have a year after it, this might be confused to mean February 8, 1953, although I'm pretty sure from reading it's supposed to be 1954.
When was the Sioux Narrows Bridge rebuilt as a steel structure? As it is part of the highway, this is important for the history.
Those periods shouldn't exist in the RJL for US Routes. As far as I know, only Arkansas does that.

That's about it for me. I myself copyedited one thing and fix a couple of typos and punctuation mistakes. This will be left on hold. T C N7JM 19:08, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Working on this. Unfortunately I have to trace about 200 km of Highway 17 and 100 km of Highway 11 to make the map, so it may take some time. I'm hoping other reviewers will continue to review in the absence of this and I will have it ready by the time the third review is complete with any luck.
Done
This is just a summary of the section to follow. As with an essay, the next paragraphs cover the information in detail with sourcing
I added "several weeks later" to clear that up
Yeah it is the major event in the history of the highway too.
Hopefully the current discussion will clear that up, as Ontario shares a land border with Minnesota, Michigan and New York; I like it without them, but most of all want consistency within road articles, rather than with state signage. I've used them because the article itself uses them in its title.

-- Floydian ^τ _¢ 05:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support T C N7JM 05:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Rschen7754 edit

Review by Rschen7754

I can take the second review, though it may be a while. --Rs chen 7754 09:54, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminary notes

Ref 16 has an error.
Map? (I know it was noted above...)

Route description

Not sure that repeating the length again when it was just in the lead is good, especially since it uses a different level of precision.
... suddenly?
the road continues south as U.S. Route 71 in Minnesota, to Chapple. - please use US 71 :P
travel concurrently north -> travel north concurrently?

History

What is a "premier"?
mid to late 1950s - check MOS to see if there are hyphens needed.

Should be a support once these issues are addressed. --Rs chen 7754 03:26, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 16 fixed, and map is sooncoming (lots to do, but I understand it will likely be the final thing to have this ACR pass.
Removed redundant length, fixed wording. As for the U.S. vs US issue, has anything come of the discussion on standardizing this (I notice no further comments have been posted for about three weeks)? I would like to use US 71, but thus far I've used the term used by the article itself.
Premier linked to Premier of Ontario, the equivalent (IIRC) to the governor of a state. Hyphen issue raised at WT:MOS

-- Floydian ^τ _¢ 07:35, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it doesn't need the Route, that's what I mean. --Rs chen 7754 22:24, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! Fixed :) - Floydian ^τ _¢ 00:45, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support issues resolved. --Rs chen 7754 00:46, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Dough4872 edit

Review by Dough4872

I will do the third review. Dough 48 72 01:11, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

In the infobox, you should note the communities at the end of the ON 11 concurrency.
In the infobox, lead, and Route description, you should mention that ON 71 also connects to US 53 at the US border (you do in the Major intersections).
The second paragraph of the lead appears to be out of chronological order.
The sentence "The highway begins at the international bridge in Fort Frances; within the United States, the road continues south as US 71 in Minnesota, to Chapple" sounds confusing. It seems to imply that US 71 heads south to Chapple. Yet Chapple is 58 kilometers from the border crossing on ON 71. I would remove "to Chapple" as it does not seen relevant here and I would mention Chapple in the right part of the route description where ON 71 serves it.
"old Cloverleaf Trail", is old an adjective describing the trail or is it a part of the formal name? If the latter, it should be capitalized.
When was the Sioux Narrows Bridge rebuilt as a steel structure?
As discussed with ON 61, the entry for the southern terminus at the US border crossing should be fixed. The format used for ON 61 is a good idea. Dough 48 72 03:21, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Floydian and Dough4872: - Floydian, are you going to address these items? --Admr Boltz 17:33, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done
Done
It's supposed to be that way. I find that wording is the best way to cover the whacky history in a few sentences.
Done
Old is an adjective, as there is no recognition that the trail existed now, only in history books.
Added some info on this
Done... though I still feel what I had looks nicer.

-- Floydian ^τ _¢ 01:26, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Article is good to go. Dough 48 72 01:38, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Image review by Rschen7754 edit

File:Trans-Canada Highway shield.svg - has two templates, which is it?
File:Ontario 71.svg - PD-simple
File:Ontario 71 map.svg - CC-BY-SA 3.0, GFDL, sources noted
File:New Sioux Narrows Bridge2.JPG - CC-BY-SA 3.0
File:71 Lake of the Woods 1939.png - uhhhh. I'll take your word on this one... (URAA crap)
File:71 Sioux Narrows, 1951.png - ditto. --Rs chen 7754 04:51, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fortunately the URAA stuff appears resolved *knock on wood*. The '39 image wasn't renewed by it, but the '51 image was. TCH shield template fixed, obviously the licence of the uploader is invalid. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 07:03, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Rs chen 7754 07:05, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Spotcheck by Rschen7754 edit

Source 7: "and improved by 1885 into a wagon trail" - not seeing this in the source, or the bit about ON 602, or "As a lumber merchant, Mathieu promoted improved road access in the region."
Source 8: Missing "The Heenan Highway would become the first Canadian link to the Rainy River area; prior to its opening in the mid-1930s, the only way to drive to the area was via the United States." and "Nestor Falls was the northernmost point accessible by road from the Rainy River area. Heenan would become the Minister of Lands and Forests in Mitch Hepburn's cabinet."
Source 10: Good, but why not include the part about the jigsaw puzzle nature of it?

Spotcheck done, awaiting responses. --Rs chen 7754 20:32, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Added a ref to fix #7 and first part of #8 issue, was another article on the same site as #7
Added the 1923 map to ref the northernmost point. Added a link to another legislature sessional paper showing Heenan as the Minister of Lands and Forests (and Hepburn, presumably in a lapse, as the "Prime Minister of Ontario")
Added the bit from source 10

- Floydian ^τ _¢ 23:48, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Rs chen 7754 23:54, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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