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WWE

Is World wrestling entertainment(WWE) scripted and fake, or is it real?

thanks for the help guys and girls

Scripted and fake. Most wrestling fans know this, and enjoy the "sport" anyway AdamBiswanger1 02:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by "sport"? It's a soap opera for guys! ColourBurst 05:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

This is discussed in detail in Kayfabe. Notinasnaid 07:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Oddly, the article on it is called professional wrestling. Is serious wrestling never done professionally? DirkvdM 09:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Decades ago I was watching a live wrestling program on a local tv station. The usual wrestlers did much the same things as WWE does: fake blood, all kinds of throws and "choke holds," grudge matches, managers outside the ring hitting a wrestler with a folding chair and "knocking him out" etc. But that day a young college wrestler champ who wanted to enter pro wrestling took on the local champion. The two men circled each other for several minutes, with occasional sudden attempts to trip the other or to throw the other, with intense grappling, but nothing spectacular at all happened. Real unscripted wrestling to see who was best. No fireworks. No fake moves. I was impressed that the local tv wrestling champ could actually wrestle, and that real competitive wrestling did not make good tv entertainment unless the viewer was pretty knowledgable about the actual sport.Edison 15:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Lots of pro wrestlers have some sort of amateur wrestling background, as they do use many of the techniques in some manner or another in the ring. Of course, there's Kurt Angle, Olympic gold medalist, and NCAA champ Brock Lesnar who obviously have that skill, but the one that shocked the hell out of me was when Stone Cold Steve Austin, after an injury some time ago, broke out a vast repertoire of "mat wrestling" techniques. I didn't know he knew how to use anything besides his fists and feet. Yeah, wrestling's scripted, but the guys generally have a lot more skill than some folks give them credit for. Tony Fox (arf!) 16:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Real wrestling is done in the Olympics, and it is so boring that you probably need the super sports satellite package to see it. --Zeizmic 15:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Awesome? This sounds a bit like that Belgian sport in which people have to guess where a cow is going to shit next (bets are actually placed on this). "No wait, if we look at enough matches they might actually start wrestling. Awesome!" DirkvdM 05:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

For gripping (literally) and highly professional serious wrestling, you can't beat Sumo. --Dweller 17:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Belgian? See Bovine bingo. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I bet the person who invented that had a real chip on his shoulder. :-) StuRat 23:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

The article says it's a tradition, but it doesn't say where. Jeremy Clarkson once showed this being done in Belgium to make fun of teh Belgians. How dare he. That's a Dutch privilege. DirkvdM 06:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

No its not, its all fake, the moves are so fake its untrue. None of the wrestling is real. You can tell from the moves they do, everything they do is so blatantly fake, and usually its done so badly, that it is clear that the person having the move done to them is actually letting the other person do it. Philc _T^E_C^I 22:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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Introduction

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What Philc referred to was a "false lie with no background at all" as too 'all wrestling' being fake. (FreeStyle=Real, Catch can=Real romogreco=real). The styles of wrestling I have mentioned here are also known as hand-to-hand combat, troops in the navy have used the above Free-Style and Catch Can in training for real situations, to prepare men for combat duties.

Secondly if wrestling was all fake then it would not be an Olympic sport, wrestling is the oldest forms of combat that we have record of today.

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Show wrestling (this is what fake wrestling is called)

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But some wrestling federations take the advantage today to turn wrestling from a combat into a so-called " soap opera/acting-entertainment business" this is known as "Show wrestling".

Fake wrestling = Show wrestling

In most sports there maybe someone or people faking / fixed the matches.

Finally I want all people lay off wrestling, its taken a lot of criticism over the years since "show wrestling" came on the seen and destroyed its respect as a combat. Today people see wrestling as show wrestling, this upsets me because wrestling has become a culture for people allover Europe and Asia and so on, and wrestling was designed originally as real not fake.

I myself can't even say I am a wrestler due to "show wrestling", so I have to say that I am a "free-style fighter", I have wrestled at real wrestling schools, where people here also do jujitsu and kick boxing, my style is "FreeStyle".

Links you should see;

http://www.scientificwrestling.com/public/images/gallery/cool.JPG

http://www.scientificwrestling.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Pro_Wrestling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beni_Hasan

WWE = Show wrestling

Also some of the fighters at the UFC use real wrestling styles.

I hope this post will gave you the real background on wrestling and the truth, that needs to be out there and wrestlings respect that needs to be restored too.

[Leo]

Question (Pieter Botha)

Hello, I hope you can help me. Does Pieter Botha have more than one son? I believe his youngest son is the musician, but I also believe that there is another son who is older, but I can't find any information about him online at all. He should be about 10 years younger than Piet, the musician. I dated a man who said he was the son of the UN Ambassador to the United Nations in 1965-66? and they lived on Park Avenue. I would just like to email him. If you know how to contact him, give him my name which is Susan Gamage Stanton (Stanton is my married name and he would know me just as Susan Gamage). His friend, Donato Muzich and I have tried to find him for decades. He and Donato were at Columbia University together at the time. Thank you for your attention.

Susan Stanton

e-mail address removed to prevent spamming

Running methods.

Hello everyone, I have another question that has been on my mind for a long time.

Why do alot of ANIME cartoons have their characters running leaned forward with their hands back! Example NARUTO. Does anyone in real life run like that? And does it give any good speed boost from the aerodynamic?

Thanks for any reply

Best Regards, Marekso!

Anime can be really cheap on the animation costs. You see a lot of panned stills, crude drawing, etc. Animating running is much cheaper if you fix the top (hands back), and just blur the legs. --Zeizmic 13:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe speed skaters use that stance. However, runners would risk falling over forward if they hit a rock or something, so the aerodynamic advantage isn't worth the risk. StuRat 21:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

You can get some of your friends together with a stopwatch, a marked distance and perhaps some obstacles and test this. Don't forget to thoroughly document the experiment and post outtakes on your userpage. -LambaJan 04:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

symbol on food packets

I often see a symbol on packets of food looking like a stylised lower case letter e. It usually appears next to the weight of the product. What is this? Something to do with European weights and measures? Thanks. --Richardrj 11:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe it's the net weight. --Dweller 11:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but why that particular symbol? And is there some legislation that requires it to be shown? --Richardrj 11:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

It's called the "'e' mark". The average box of that product weighs that much, there are certain tolerances, etc [1]. I guess it's "e" because it is the european standard. Google for the directives "76/211/EEC" and "75/106/EEC" for the actual standards. Oh, and if you look into it the article 'e' mark is just begging to be written! Weregerbil 12:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Reference desk archive/Miscellaneous/2006 July 31#The European e-mark and Estimated sign. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Amazing! Not only do we have an article on it, but someone else asked the very same question just a couple of weeks ago. --Richardrj 12:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Mean Sea Level 0 metre

Where is the Universal MSL 0m i.e where is the benchmark for the MSL situated ?

Have a look at Sea level and the external links. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Above mean sea level and World Geodetic System explain this problem rather more clearly, I think.--Shantavira 15:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

"Curious George" DVD cover.

Does anyone know where I can find a photoshopped mockup of a DVD cover for the new Curious George film?

See Curious George (film) where there is a movie poster. And if you follow the IMDb link on that page, there are lots of other sites for the film. If you need help to create a bootleg DVD cover, call (914) 378-0800 on the daytime, and those people will help you out. --GunnarRene 12:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, ringing that number will help with it, so ring it. *laughs maniacally* Karma Llama 10:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Is PESWiki a real Wiki?

Hi, I found a site called PESWiki [[2]] it uses the Wikipedia main page setup but I couldn't find it in the list of Wikiprojects on Wikipedia. I neither find articles found in PESWiki on Wikipedia.

Much of the information I found today on this site seems rather little creadible. Also, once you click on an article the pages contain advertisments. I would like to know, does this PESWiki have anything to do with Wikipedia or is it a (commercial) scam put together by someone?

TomTompa 15:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

None of the above. It is someone's wiki, using MediaWiki software (the same as Wikipedia runs). It is not part of Wikipedia. And it's (probably) fine - the mediawiki software is released under the GFDL meaning other people can use it. --Tagishsimon (talk)

PES stands for Pure Energy Systems. If Wikipedia was one of those, you wouldn't have to bother writing. -- DLL ^{.. T} 19:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Lots of people have wikis, I have one. HighInBC 21:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

White rice

Is raw white rice edible?

Yes, but it may increase in size considerably whilst in your alimentary canal, causing severe discomfort. It would also be, how to say, somewhat crunchy in the eating, non? --Tagishsimon (talk)

Ok thanks

GasAdvance.com

Is there a article about this website on Wikipedia ? Saw the ad on TV. It claims that "Big Oil" is suppressing all manner of discoveries, such as claiming that H2O w/ gas will get a car to do 100mpg. The Ad appeared to be a conspiratorial type of website. The website is www.GasAdvance.com. Can the response be placed on my talk page. Excuse the sig. I'm on a malfunctioning Satellite ISP. Martial Law 18:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

This has been on TV many times, since gasoline hit $3.00 per gallon in the US. Martial Law 19:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I would not recommend putting 80% water in your gas tank. I just wouldn't. And if these people had really discovered a way to run a car for 100 miles with NO POLLUTION as they say, they wouldn't be running a shifty online site that tries to get you to order something online, not quite sure what. --Bmk 03:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that, that's probably the funniest thing on tv I've heard of for a while. Sad, but funny. — [Mac Davis] (talk)

Considering they explain nothing about the process and give no indication of it actually working, I would recommend NOT sending them your money. --Fastfission 20:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

They sell you the ordering instructions for $99

but the kit is something like 2,000 dollars or more it some uses the heat from the exhausts to heat up the gas but who knows if it works.

rock and roll music

Dear Whoever

I was on this site yesterday, doing some research on some old vinyl records that I have. I found the perfect site for what I needed, but stupid me, I forgot to write it down. The site listed every group from a -z and the years they were out. Can you tell me where it is? The genre is rock "n" roll and the years are from the 1950s to the present.

I'm not sure what page that might be, but do you have a viewing history icon at the top of your browser? It might look like a little sundial.--Shantavira 19:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, I'd point to allmusic.com as a fine source of information on bands & records. I did a search for a List of page which might be on the wikipedia, but cannot find one. --Tagishsimon (talk)

naruto epidoes season 8

Recently I heard the news that episodes tittles 200 and over where released so I posted that on the narrator season 8 page. Then someone deleted my post and said it was vandalism. I don’t understand how that’s vandalism.

LOOK AT MY SOURCES FOR THE NARUTO EPIDOES:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/NarutoBunshin/index.php?showtopic=156

thank you,—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.117.203.251 (talk • contribs)

Please follow the discussion of this at Talk:List of Naruto episodes.--Shantavira 19:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Dog breeds safe for asthmatics

Could you please tell me what breeds of dogs are safe to be owned by asthmatics? Thnx. T.

All dogs send nasty dander proteins at a far less rate than cats (who also shed stomach juices). I'd go with a more oily-coat dog, but it is possible that you are so sensitive that no dog is good. You should see some friends' dogs and take a big sniff in their coat, and see if you die (just kidding!). If you go for dog, because you really, really have to, then make sure you have hardwood floors, and an air filter in each room. I have a dog, and I was technically allergic to them at one time. --Zeizmic 23:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Try reducing the volume of dog hair, by picking a small, short-haired dog. Also, a dog that sleeps in a doghouse instead of the home will reduce the level of allergens inside. You would need to spend some time and money setting up a doghouse that's comfy year round, though. StuRat 05:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hypoallergenic_dog_breeds might give some options as well. Cowman109^Talk 05:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Try a Soft-Coated Wheaten Terrier Scienceman123 03:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Past weeks of TurboNick at Nick.com

I know this probably isn't the right place to ask this, but can I access past weeks of TurboNick? I believe I did it once before (though I'm not quite sure), but now, when I do the same thing, it won't work. Can anyone help? -- TheGreatLlama ^{(speak to the Llama!)} 22:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)