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editCuriosity about a goal on a penalty kick (soccer)
editHello. Why is a goal on a penalty kick considered as such, even when the ball before entering the goal beats on a wood, be it post or crossbar? Because maybe it is a continuous action? Thank you. 151.57.184.231 (talk) 14:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- If it crosses the line, it's a goal, right? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, exactly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.57.179.180 (talk) 15:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- So, what's the issue? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- I solved it, thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.57.179.180 (talk) 18:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- So, what was the issue? Generally, in games with a goal at each end, such as soccer or hockey, it's a goal if it ends up in the goal, regardless of what obstacles it hits first, such as the crossbar, an upright, or some part of the goalie's body. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Not in Aussie rules. But you did say "generally". HiLo48 (talk) 00:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think that sport qualifies as "soccer". It's more in the family of Rugby and gridiron football. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:19, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sure, but it does have goals at each end of the field. HiLo48 (talk) 08:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe I should have said "goals with nets that the offense tries to put the object into". I might compare it with basketball as well, where a shot can bounce around on the rim and backboard, and if it falls into the net, it's a score. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Apart from the oddness of not counting it as a goal when the ball enters the goal, it would add unnecessary controversies when players object to a call by the referee, or disagree with eachother in low-level amateur matches with no referee. Most sports have enough sources of disagreements. No reason to add one which is trivial to avoid. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
On the other hand that rule would have prevented the long-standing controversy about the Wembley goal of 1966... --Wrongfilter (talk) 16:05, 20 August 2023 (UTC)- Sorry, strike that, that wasn't even a penalty. I blame the heat. --Wrongfilter (talk) 16:13, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Apart from the oddness of not counting it as a goal when the ball enters the goal, it would add unnecessary controversies when players object to a call by the referee, or disagree with eachother in low-level amateur matches with no referee. Most sports have enough sources of disagreements. No reason to add one which is trivial to avoid. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe I should have said "goals with nets that the offense tries to put the object into". I might compare it with basketball as well, where a shot can bounce around on the rim and backboard, and if it falls into the net, it's a score. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sure, but it does have goals at each end of the field. HiLo48 (talk) 08:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think that sport qualifies as "soccer". It's more in the family of Rugby and gridiron football. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:19, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Not in Aussie rules. But you did say "generally". HiLo48 (talk) 00:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- So, what was the issue? Generally, in games with a goal at each end, such as soccer or hockey, it's a goal if it ends up in the goal, regardless of what obstacles it hits first, such as the crossbar, an upright, or some part of the goalie's body. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- I solved it, thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.57.179.180 (talk) 18:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- So, what's the issue? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, exactly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.57.179.180 (talk) 15:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Because that's how it works in normal play. The same applies in penalty kicks because no-one saw a need to make a different rule that only applies in that situation. Iapetus (talk) 08:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- After rereading the original post, I suspect the IP meant why it's counted as a penalty kick goal in official statistics instead of an open play goal like if the ball had bounced back and been kicked in by the same player (not allowed in penalty shootouts). If the goalkeeper touches the ball before it goes in then it it's also counted as a penalty kick goal. I see no good reason to not count it as a penalty kick but the controversy issue would almost vanish if it's still a goal and the only difference is penalty statistics. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC)