Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/A van Gogh selfie

A van Gogh selfie edit

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Original – Self portrait (1889), by Vincent van Gogh (1853–90); this is one of 43 self portraits by van Gogh; he would often paint himself because it was cheaper then paying for a model. The Musée d'Orsay, who hold the painting, note “The model's immobility contrasts with the undulating hair and beard, echoed and amplified in the hallucinatory arabesques of the background”, but I think the secret is in the rather haunted eyes.

Reason: A great copy of a very well-known work
Articles in which this image appears: Van Gogh self-portrait (1889), Portraits of Vincent van Gogh, Vincent van Gogh
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator: Vincent van Gogh

Support as nominator – SchroCat (talk) 08:39, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support But of course. Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:51, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I'm beginning to wonder if it's wise to select so many works of famous late 19th century Impressionists and Post-Impressionists as FPs. Of course one is a fan of Van Gogh and many others from the era, but I'm thinking it might be more interesting (and educational) to feature more obscure artists. Just a thought. (There are four Van Goghs in the FPC queue right now.) Sca (talk) 15:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But does that affect the inherent notability of the works or images themselves? There may be an embarassment of riches for the late C19th at the moment, but other eras or movements will have their moments in the spotlight. - SchroCat (talk) 15:43, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, they remain what they are. My thinking is, they're familiar to many people, whereas less-well-known artists would be a learning experience – and perhaps intriguing as something new to viewers/readers.

In this instance, Van Gogh is arguably the most famous personality in Western art of the Modern Era (though others could be argued as well), and his late style, while often entrancing, is familiar to most culturally literate people. I'm not suggesting his works should never be FPs, only that it would be refreshing to vary the mix with talented but often ignored artists (not from France or the Low Countries), such as Baluschek, Liebermann, Corinth and various Scandinavian and Russian painters. Sca (talk) 17:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree entirely that there should also be lesser-known artists work here, but my original point still stands: that does not affect the inherent notability of the works or images themselves. - SchroCat (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter how many works from a single artist we feature, so long as they all have the proper EV. Being featured per se does not affect how interesting or educational an image is; it actually has very little effect on readers. The POTD process is what draws attention, and I or whoever is in charge at the time can handle that when it comes time for it. We have 43 FPs of map projections, but no complaints yet (even after 10 or so have already been run). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:12, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

^{I think it does matter, but I'm not going to debate the issue. Sca (talk) 01:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)}[reply]

~~Oppose~~ - With so many self-portraits by van Gogh to choose from, the EV in Portraits of Vincent van Gogh and Vincent van Gogh isn't really that high. Enough to feature one self-portrait (which we have), but not enough for a group of them. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:18, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ – Per Crisco. Sca (talk) 15:57, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The painting merits its own article, instead of only a spot in an image gallery, and this would solve the issue of the EV. – Editør (talk) 17:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's one written and ready to go live once I can sort out the right format for the title... Any suggestions? - SchroCat (talk) 17:54, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Crisco 1492, Sca, Editør, an article now exists at Van Gogh self-portrait (1889). - SchroCat (talk) 20:22, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Editør (talk) 21:57, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – well done Schro. So you discovered that it was his last, eh? Because it was - and that's heavy EV. Hafspajen (talk) 22:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Nice, quick work, Schro. Interesting. Sca (talk) 22:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, Sca - many thanks! - SchroCat (talk) 22:14, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Jobas (talk) 16:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support -Godot13 (talk) 03:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Vincent van Gogh - Self-Portrait - Google Art Project.jpg --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]