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List of United States Presidents by age

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 14 days, 1 support, 4 oppose. Fail. Geraldk 17:18, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've never nominated to WP:FL before, but I believe this satisfies WP:WIAFL. This list combined three previous lists into a more efficient and detailed list using a sortable table. This can be sorted to search presidents by date of birth, date of death, age at ascension, length of retirement and longevity/age at death. For the living presidents, the table uses formulas to automatically update ages to the day. Please suggest improvements before a support or oppose: since information about US presidents is so readily at our fingertips, it should be easy to quickly make any requested changes or adjustments. Thanks for your consideration! --JayHenry 04:50, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Object. There is no units on the numbers in the Length of Retirement column. Rmhermen 05:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed! Good catch. Any other suggestions? --JayHenry 14:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I admire the use of the hidden div to allow last-name sorting, but the [br]s in the names is really distracting, and seems to only serve to narrow an already not-very-wide table. --Golbez 05:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... we used the break because the table barely fit on smaller resolution monitors. Are you saying that the table could stand to be much wider on your monitor? Would it work better if the names were centered? --JayHenry 05:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It could be much wider on my monitor, and unless you use non-breaking spaces, narrower monitors will render it thinner anyway, so this is a non-issue. I don't want the names centered. --Golbez 18:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is not a "List of United States Presidents by age". It is a list of presidents in which age is one of several factors by which the list can be sorted (it's not even the default sort order). The list is also completely unreferenced. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 10:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • It appears completely referenced to me. See "Sources". Rmhermen 14:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sources were added an hour and a half before OpenToppedBus made his comment. Rmhermen 16:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think the name is OK. All, or almost all, the material is related directly to their age at death or ascension. I definitely agree that the basic sort order should be related to their age, though. Circeus 02:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. IMHO if it's called "by age", it should be sorted by age. Otherwise, it would be a list of ages of US presidents. -- User:Docu
It's easy enough to make any specific category the default. But please let me explain my thinking here: "by age" or "oldest" could be almost any of the categories. Age at ascension, age at death, order of birth, order of death, or order of office. In fact, people might refer to any of those things as the "age of a president." Some would say that "George Washington is the oldest president, because he was the first president." And of course, in that sense, his presidency is the oldest. I simply used order of office as the default because 1) it is the most familiar way to see a list of presidents, 2) it is the most logical field for the left column, 3) people aren't stupid, they can figure out how to sort the list to get the information they want. I could easily change it to any other default, but please consider that if somebody is trying to find the "oldest president" or "oldest presidency" that means completely different things in different contexts, and any other default sort is going to be more confusing than this one. --JayHenry 15:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose nowithsatnding the article name, I feel the lead is too short. Some general comments about what is typical/exceptional with regard to the information in the table would be beneficial. Plus, living presidents shoudl have a note to that effect (in the death date column perhaps?) The table formatting wasn't great, but I fixed that myself. Tompw (talk) (review) 20:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose - not encyclopedic. Marcus Cyron 15:59, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Per WP:FIVE, "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia incorporating elements of general encyclopedias, specialized encyclopedias, and almanacs." This sort of information is included in every almanac I've ever seen. --JayHenry 21:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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