Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of The Batman episodes/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 10 days, 5 support, 0 oppose. Promote. (250th Featured List!) Tompw (talk) (review)
I am nominating this list because I feel it meets all the criteria for Featured list and doesn't contain any images Gman124 19:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I also Support this article for FL, since I nominated this list. Gman124 16:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, for now at least, as this still has a long way to go. Firstly, its good to see a basic episodes list with no images or descriptions like List of The Simpsons episodes and List of Smallville episodes before it. Bt this has several problems. The first simply being that it has no references, which of course means that it is not FL quality. It has two external links, but they are not the same thing, and more importantly they are TV.com and IMDb which are not reliable. Also a few other minor problems, the "list of episodes of The Batman" is the lead needs to be bolded. The lead should be expanded, but I don't have many ideas on this right now, see some of the other FL episode lists, like the two mentioned above. The season 1 table has an extra collum line at the end of it. And is it me or should the episode names be in quotes and not italics? These are the major things that jump out at me right now. Gran2 20:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- fixed referencesGman124 20:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- also put put episode names in Quotes. Gman124 21:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- removed the extra column at end of season 1 table. Gman124 22:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The sources given only list titles and airdates. Where are the writers, directors, and production codes coming from?Jay32183 00:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- First It had references from tv.com but User:Gran above said that they are unreliable so I changed it to World's Finest website Gman124 00:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would also call tv.com unreliable for Featured Lists. There should be reliable sources for the writers and directors. If you can't find one for the production codes, not listing production codes isn't a big loss. Jay32183 00:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But I don't really see why they are unreliable, List of X-Men episodes is featured and it has referencves to tv.com Gman124 00:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would also call tv.com unreliable for Featured Lists. There should be reliable sources for the writers and directors. If you can't find one for the production codes, not listing production codes isn't a big loss. Jay32183 00:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Found referece for prod code Gman124 00:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can't find Directors and Writers so I added back the tv.com reference for Directors and Writers. Gman124 01:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Found reference for writers and producers Gman124 01:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- First It had references from tv.com but User:Gran above said that they are unreliable so I changed it to World's Finest website Gman124 00:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, Right I change to support, as you've fixed all of my objections quickly, and did other stuff as well. Good job. Gran2 07:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Would it be possible to expand the lead? A bit more about the backgroundand the relationship with the comics/films would be good. That's only thing preventing me from supporting this nomination. Tompw (talk) 11:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, looks like everything has been addressed. -Phoenix 04:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment You need to add a fair use rationale for this usage of the DVD covers (each usage requires its own rationale). The usage in The Batman (TV series) is identical - a very similar table. Using it twice for the same reason is stretching "fair" a little. Therefore you should probably decide which article you want the DVD covers to appear in. I note that this article makes no comment about the DVD cover art. Colin°Talk 19:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I was trying to make look a liitle like how they have it for List of Simpsons episodes, they have that table on that and then they also have same table and pictures on List of The Simpsons media, so I thoungh we could list season DVD at episode list just to show that the season is out. But I'll remove the pictures if it's not allowed. Gman124 14:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Removed DVD images from episode list. Gman124 14:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Using the same DVD images in two articles, if the rationale is good, is not a bad thing. Note that using the same images is a good thing for fair use, since you don't increase the proportion of reproduction. What would be bad would be to use, for example, the front covers for one article and the back covers for another article. --GunnarRene 18:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So, if i fix the fair use rational, I can use the same image on two article? Gman124 20:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- GunnarRene has a point there. I thought I'd seen a discussion discouraging repeated usage, but can't find it now. However, the policy for cover art is "for identification and critical commentary (not for identification without critical commentary)". You need to discuss the DVD cover. It is hard to argue that a DVD cover image is needed in this list. Colin°Talk 22:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I put the DVD images just to show the readers that the DVD is out and the table about DVD is just a brief summary of the DVD releases table on The Batman (TV series), but I have already removed them anyway. Gman124 23:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- GunnarRene has a point there. I thought I'd seen a discussion discouraging repeated usage, but can't find it now. However, the policy for cover art is "for identification and critical commentary (not for identification without critical commentary)". You need to discuss the DVD cover. It is hard to argue that a DVD cover image is needed in this list. Colin°Talk 22:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So, if i fix the fair use rational, I can use the same image on two article? Gman124 20:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Using the same DVD images in two articles, if the rationale is good, is not a bad thing. Note that using the same images is a good thing for fair use, since you don't increase the proportion of reproduction. What would be bad would be to use, for example, the front covers for one article and the back covers for another article. --GunnarRene 18:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Removed DVD images from episode list. Gman124 14:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I was trying to make look a liitle like how they have it for List of Simpsons episodes, they have that table on that and then they also have same table and pictures on List of The Simpsons media, so I thoungh we could list season DVD at episode list just to show that the season is out. But I'll remove the pictures if it's not allowed. Gman124 14:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, though this is a bit of a departure from most featured LOEs (lists of episodes). Also, any episodes to be aired should have a reference. Cliff smith 00:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- added references for unaired episodes. Gman124 00:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I did some minor edits to fix the date format. You can add page as a reference for the DVD release dates. What's wrong with the DVD covers? The Simpsons reuses Fair use rationales for every instance the DVD cover is included and there's nothing wrong with that. WP:FL? states that images are fine as long as they are appropriate to the subject, with succinct captions or "alt" text and acceptable copyright status. — Sandtiger 02:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- added DVD images back because WP:FL? says that we can use images as long as we give an "alt" text, so I also added alt text, and also added DVD references. Gman124 14:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]