Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Oregon State University faculty and staff
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 10 days, 2 support, 1 oppose. No consensus to promote. Fail. Juhachi 04:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I broke this list off from List of Oregon State University people back in December, as the page was getting too long. I've recently made some refinements and I believe this now meets all the requirements to become a featured list. Every entry is sourced, there are no redlinks, and I feel it is comprehensive. VegaDark (talk) 06:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, looks fine to me. --Phoenix 17:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, Not to be too out there, but shouldn't this list fail 1b? The very first thing we see is a notice that the list is incomplete, thus I do not believe that "the list covers the defined scope by including every member of a set" as is written at WP:FL?.--十八 09:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The full text of 1b says ""Comprehensive" means that the list covers the defined scope by including every member of a set, or, in the case of dynamic lists, by not omitting any major component of the subject." (emphasis mine). This is a dynamic list, thus it simply must "not omitt any major component of the subject". VegaDark (talk) 17:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Opose, surely there have been many more than 23 notable faculty from Oregon State. Also this list acieves no redlinks by simply not linking any of the past presidents. If all of these were linked there would be, by my count, 18 red-links out of a total 77, which flirts with being too many. Dsmdgold 14:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In regards to your first comment, can you supply any reliable sources that list more? I'd be more than happy to include them if so. I'll do some more searching to see if I can find any more that reliable sources exist for that slipped by me the first time. As for not linking the presidents, I wasn't sure if simply being a past president of a university alone made people notable enough for their own article. I could make a stub for each saying "so and so was a president at OSU", but that would be it. Would that pass AfD? VegaDark (talk) 17:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Browsing through the current faculty for history department alone at OSU I find Paul Farber, Gary Ferngren, Robert Nye (historian), Mary Jo Nye, all of whom I believe would pass WP:PROF, even though none of them currently have articles. Looking at the what links here list for OSU I find Betty Roberts, Ted Lewis (computer scientist), and Katherine Ann Power (there may be more, I stopped at three) I assume that each of the past presidents of OSU have sufficient notability to pass AfD. I, for one, would certainly argue for a keep for an article that read "Benjamin L. Arnold was president of Corvallis State Agricultural College (now Oregon State University) from 1872 to 1892. He was the institutions third president." This indicates that it shouldn't be hard to find more information though.Dsmdgold 04:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I've gone through every name on "what links here" and added it to the appropriate category (it must have been longer than I thought since I've last checked that) which includes about 10 more faculty (to be fair, though, Betty Roberts was created only a couple hours before your reply :P). I've added 5 so far, and will add the others soon, time permitting. As for going through the current faculty, it is true that when you go through OSU's pages for them several look like they could pass WP:PROF. The catch, however, is that (for many I have checked, at least) no secondary sources can be found to complement what is there, hence not being enough to write an article with (I haven't yet checked for ones on your specific examples). I will also re-link the presidents and see about making articles for them. VegaDark (talk) 08:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Betty Roberts helps to illustrate my point. She is obviously an important figure in Oregon's political history, not including her is failing to include a mojor component. Failing to include notable current faculty is equally a failure to include major componemts, even if it is difficult to write article on them based on what can be found on the web. (I will note that it is trivial to document that they are currently faculty members, which is all that is required for this list.) In my examples, we are talking about people who are editors of major scholarly journals and authors or editors of widely cited books. Negren for example is quoted on Wikipedia.
- I've gone through every name on "what links here" and added it to the appropriate category (it must have been longer than I thought since I've last checked that) which includes about 10 more faculty (to be fair, though, Betty Roberts was created only a couple hours before your reply :P). I've added 5 so far, and will add the others soon, time permitting. As for going through the current faculty, it is true that when you go through OSU's pages for them several look like they could pass WP:PROF. The catch, however, is that (for many I have checked, at least) no secondary sources can be found to complement what is there, hence not being enough to write an article with (I haven't yet checked for ones on your specific examples). I will also re-link the presidents and see about making articles for them. VegaDark (talk) 08:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Browsing through the current faculty for history department alone at OSU I find Paul Farber, Gary Ferngren, Robert Nye (historian), Mary Jo Nye, all of whom I believe would pass WP:PROF, even though none of them currently have articles. Looking at the what links here list for OSU I find Betty Roberts, Ted Lewis (computer scientist), and Katherine Ann Power (there may be more, I stopped at three) I assume that each of the past presidents of OSU have sufficient notability to pass AfD. I, for one, would certainly argue for a keep for an article that read "Benjamin L. Arnold was president of Corvallis State Agricultural College (now Oregon State University) from 1872 to 1892. He was the institutions third president." This indicates that it shouldn't be hard to find more information though.Dsmdgold 04:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In regards to your first comment, can you supply any reliable sources that list more? I'd be more than happy to include them if so. I'll do some more searching to see if I can find any more that reliable sources exist for that slipped by me the first time. As for not linking the presidents, I wasn't sure if simply being a past president of a university alone made people notable enough for their own article. I could make a stub for each saying "so and so was a president at OSU", but that would be it. Would that pass AfD? VegaDark (talk) 17:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support It being a dynamic list, it cannot fail 1b as stated above, and I believe it to have no omitted major figures.--十八 23:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]