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History of Limerick

Self-nom This article is on the history of the city of Limerick in western Ireland. This article has been Peer Reviewed and received very favourable responses. I believe that this is the most comprehensive article on this subject on the internet. Seabhcán 14:00, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How about more images? The article as it stands is a little image-bare. --Oldak Quill 08:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would be nice. Have you any suggestions? I don't want to just add irrelevant images for the sake of it, but if there were specific images on the subject, that would be great. Seabhcán 10:28, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You know, a lot of those sections sort of suggest pictures. The Williamite battle has illustration out there (and it's all public domain). A map of Ireland with the city's location marked in the lead would help. Graphic propaganda or a graphical representation of atrocities in the pogrom, if contemporary, would also be PD. A portrait of one of the leaders (William III comes to mind, or James II) would be helpful early, and/or of the proponents of the Act of Union, later. No vote on the article. Geogre 14:20, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I've added an image of De Valera and one of Patric Sarsfield. I'd like another for the 'Celtic Tiger' section; idealy one of "modern Limerick". I'll search around for one. Thanks Seabhcán 14:54, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

~~Conditional~~ support: If we can get from WW2 to the Tiger with the same detail as before, yes. I've now done a little bit of copyediting. The photos are better. However, as the history gets nearer to the present, it gets more detailed, which is well and good, but, given the detail of the 20th c. sections, it's odd that we jump from a general Limerick in War to Celtic Tiger. A section, or at least material split into the pre-Tiger and Tiger sections, explaining the ruinous state that the area was in would be a good thing. Without it, I can't support. With it, I do. Geogre 11:19, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thats a tough request. I spent a lot of time researching this article but I couldn't find any details on events in Limerick during the 50s and sixties. Only two things spring to mind: In 1956 about 500 Hungarian refugees arrived to Meelick (about 20km from Limerick) and were houses in the Knockalisheen Army Camp (built during the emergency). They left again a few years later. And in 1965 Che Guevara spent a night in Hanratty's Hotel on Glentworth Street (see Irish diaspora). And thats it. I haven't found anything else. Seabhcán 11:46, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mean to posit anything insurmountable. I was simply looking for the kinds of things one can find, sometimes, in the triumphalist literature on the Tiger. E.g. "Although in the 1960s, Limerick had a very high unemployment, now things are great!" can give high unemployment.... That kind of thing. Even Frank McCord, whom I know the folks aren't fond of, probably is accurate to the post-war period, which was hard throughout the region. (England suffered pretty severely with rationing and high unemployment for a long time. Scotland is arguably still suffering from the reorganization of industry that came after the post-war reorganization. Ireland, as an independent country, had to translate its skilled workers into information economy workers.) Anything at all that will give us a picture of the hardships that have been overcome. Didn't the west of Ireland lag behind the east in the new prosperity? At any rate, I really do want to support, but I think the gap is too conspicuous at present. Geogre 14:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but all that stuff was national and is dealt with in the articles on Irish history and economics. The first paragraph in the Celtic tiger section gives an overview of the gradual improvements in Limerick in the 70's, 80s and 90s. Problem is that there were no improvements during the 50s and 60s. Also, there was no industry to speak of in Limerick before the war, and so nothing to reorganise after it (Ireland was excluded from the Marshal plan because the country was neutral during the war). Ireland's industry under British rule had been built in Belfast, which was retained by the UK. The information economy didn't exist in the post war period. I would love to add something on this, but it has to be something informative and relevant to the city. Seabhcán 14:47, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've writen a section on the post war period. Its really just a series of anecdotes, rather than a proper history, but maybe it will fill the gap. Seabhcán 10:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Support: the fact is Geogre, that nothing happened in limerick during the 25 years after the Emergency. Maybe a sentence could be added to the start of the Celtic Tiger section, something like "The quarter century immediately after the Emergency was, In Limerick as in many other parts of the Republic of Ireland, a period of economic and social stagnation." Although, maybe a brief mention of the Tiede Herrema kidnap is in order? Filiocht | The kettle's on 10:26, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Tiede Herrema kidnap? Whats this? Seabhcán 10:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This]. As I recall through the mists of memory, he was living just off the Monaleen Road and was kidnapped on that road. The Limerick Leader archive would likely help. Filiocht | The kettle's on 11:38, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, heck, if nothing happened in Limerick for 25 years, I won't object. Such placid places are rare in the sublunary world, indeed. Actually, with the efforts that have been made, my conditions were met, so I switch to full support. (It was just this logic hole sitting there and no perverseness on my part, and I'll stop alliterating now.) Geogre 13:37, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article seems very comprehensive and reads well, especially to someone who otherwise has very little knowledge of the subject!--Lordkinbote 07:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]