Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fort Lauderdale, Florida/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 04:25, 4 November 2007.

Fort Lauderdale, Florida

I'm nominating this article for featured article because its a great article, thorough, well formatted, well referenced and no POV issues Hadseys 13:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by TREYWiki

Why is "Venice of America" bold? Also, It needs a reference.

Fixed Unbolded and added reference.

Why is Fort Lauderdale bold in the history section?

Fixed Unbolded.

The history section is lacking references.

Although not a necessity, a picture would be nice in the history section.

Lots of raw data in Demographics. You can incorporate some of that into a table.

Fixed Used table from FA Erie, Pennsylvania. Removed some less-important stats.

Economy has lots of unreferenced claims.

A little more on Government would be nice.

The list of university's in Education should be incorporated.

...airport and is one of the fastest growing airports in the country. This needs a reference.

Fixed Added reference.

Include a little about Utilities serving the area. Could be incorporated into Healthcare.

The Media subsection has little content.

There are no references in Sports.

Fixed Added references.

Overall, this article is good. A few more references are needed. Also, A few pictures would help.—trey^{omg he's back} 14:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(response) I went ahead and removed the extra bolding (on the nickname and the city's name in the history section). As to "Venice of America", it is part of the city's logo (in the infobox) and appears on every page of the city website, so I didn't think to add another reference; I'll try and dig one up. The name was bolded in the history section as it is a summation of the linked history article; I forgot to remove the bold when I brought it over to replace the old section prior to the GA review. The history section has twelve distinct references, cited twenty times. Without trying to be snide, can you specify what needs to be referenced? The linked articles in that section all have references of their own, so I can pull their references if needed. I'll see if I can dig up more refs for the economy section, although (again) most of the claims there are already supported by references. I'll see what I can do for the media section, but there is not a whole lot going on, since Miami is where most of the action occurs. I'll also come up with references for the sports section in the next couple of days, and I'll find a reference for the airport claim. Horologium t-c 18:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will continue working on this during the coming week. I have been quite ill over the past week, and have not had the energy to work through this thoroughly; my apologies. I will be addressing the government, history, and economy sections in particular. Horologium t-c 11:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Misc. comments. Healthcare, only those hospitals? The city probably has more since the population is so big. What are the major issues debated in government. The government section could be expanded if there are things to write. Isn't the city where that historic Bonnet House is? Or is that another city? Is crime a problem or not a problem? Many city articles list the sister cities though it's not a requirement that there be a list for FA status. Are there ethnic sections, like Lauderdale Lakes? Why are the bus announcements is Creole? Other cities don't have such announcements. Notability? Was Broward County involved in the controversy in the 2000 election or was it Palm Beach County?(may not be notable) Was Arthur Ashe from there or not? Is the Galleria Mall notable for anything? First something? How about Sunrise Mall, the biggest (?) on the Eastern Seaboard? Or is it in a nearby city? Mrs.EasterBunny 23:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are only three hospitals *within the city*; there are quite a number more in the suburban communities (Pompano Beach, Coral Springs, Tamarac, Margate each have one, and there are more to the south in Hollywood and SW Broward County). There is a list of sister cities (in the See also section.) Bonnet House is in Fort Lauderdale (it's in List of museums in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, which is linked in the culture section. The article on Bonnet House itself is a tiny stub.) and Lauderdale Lakes is a separate city (see Lauderdale Lakes, Florida), not a neighborhood in Fort Lauderdale. Arthur Ashe is from Richmond, VA; I think the school was named after him in recognition of his status as an icon, rather than a personal connection to the area. Broward was involved in the 2000 election fiasco in a tangential fashion, but that would be more relevant to the Broward County article, not the Fort Lauderdale article; only 10% of the county's population lives in Fort Lauderdale. The Galleria is not a particularly notable mall, although it is the largest mall in Broward (other than Sawgrass Mills, which is an outlet mall, and in Sunrise to boot.) I'll be expanding the government section tomorrow, and include a few of the controversies (the current mayor is the target of gay activists right now because of some of his recent statements about the gay community; that is covered under the Jim Naugle and the Stonewall Library & Archives articles). I am not aware of the bus announcements in Creole, but it has been well over 20 years since I have been on a BCT bus, and that might be more appropriate to the Broward County Transit article. I had been editing this article under the impression that it should focus on the city itself, but most of the questions you have raised relate to other subjects. Was I mistaken? Horologium t-c 23:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not objecting to FA status. I just offered some questions which I wasn't sure of. The fact that this editor has considered them reflects well on the person and the potential for the article to adapt with time. Mrs.EasterBunny 01:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Alan

Overall inconsistent formatting is a nightmare.
Photograph captions should not introduce text, but be referenced by the text. Fixed Rewrote captions to remove material not in text.
After refactoring the page, please apply the WP:LEAD guideline.
Facts do not require multiple citations, please select the most reliable source. Fixed Removed double citation.
Further condense history section.

Alan.ca 07:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you be a bit more precise about formatting? I'm not quite sure what you mean. (I'm not trying to be snarky or difficult; I'm genuinely puzzled.) I removed the double reference in the lisfestyle section, and refactored the captions to remove text not in the article. I'll look at condensing the history section, but it was expanded for the GA review, as reviewers felt it was too short. Horologium t-c 11:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reject & Oppose

On the basis that it has "citation needed" tags. Are article allow to come to FAC when there are basic flaws?... I guess so. Learnedo 03:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Both citation tags were added after nomination; one has been referenced, and the other sentence was removed with the citation tag; it was too vague. Horologium t-c 11:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As this is a mid priority page for WP:CITY, I only have time to say this article has a long way to go before it is ready for FA status. I recognize the efforts of the applicant, but I think he would be better served by participating in the improvement of an national or state capital. After gaining a better understanding from working on such a team he will be in a better position to understand why this article is not ready for FA status. Alan.ca 05:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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