Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Verses of John 20

The discussion was carried out on the talk page

The conclusions of the discussion are summarised below (and then disputed by SimonP).

The subject that was discussed, and the conclusions refer to, is in the second section below.

Conclusions edit

After debate, community consensus was that, taking into consideration Wikipedia:Don't include copies of primary sources, the vast majority of these articles should be merged (if any content proves relevant) and otherwise redirected to its parent chapter article, unless it can prove outstanding noteability on its own. A simple discussion of a verse does not make for an acceptable article, original research or not. --InShaneee 04:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Of course since the this is about the eighth such discussion, and every other one ended up with the opposite conclusion, and since no one who actually works in this area decided to participate, these conclusions can safely be ignored. - SimonP 00:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is wrong, all discussions so far point in the same direction as InShanee indicates, with dissent from a vocal minority that tends to be mostly a one-man show. See Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/200 verses of Matthew for a lenghtier explanation. >Radiant< 23:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Summary of the issue(s) edit

Currently there are individual articles for every single one of the first 18 verses of the 20th chapter of the Gospel of John, i.e 18 articles. Is this appropriate in Wikipedia?

do the articles merit existance individually
should they be merged to somewhere
- And if so, where?
should they be deleted altogether

There has been much more generalised discussion and voting on the subject of bible verses in general, elsewhere. The only conclusions being that some bible verses are notable in their own right, e.g. John 3:16, and deserve articles of their own, but that others do not, and that most people thought that the number of notable verses was comparatively small, less than 500.

This discussion is specifically to address the following articles, and whether they should all continue to exist independantly as 18 individual articles:

John 20:1, John 20:2, John 20:3, John 20:4, John 20:5, John 20:6, John 20:7, John 20:8, John 20:9, John 20:10, John 20:11, John 20:12, John 20:13, John 20:14, John 20:15, John 20:16, John 20:17, John 20:18

This discussion is seperate to the discussion of the first 200 verses of Matthew due to differing subject matter, and continuity amongst the verses in question, and also to avoid over generalising the discussion, and thus ensuring that the existance of these articles in particular is discussed.