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Christian Bale

Christian Bale is not Welsh. The country of one's birth does not determine their nationality, as could be proved by many cases. In addition, if you are going to change something like this, firstly please look at the long discussion on the talk page first. Also, please change the grammar ("a Welsh actor" not "an Welsh actor"). And where you changed it, you arogantly ignored the reference, which had a quote of him calling himself English. Please do not change it again, you cannot call someone Welsh purely because they were born there. --Berks105 16:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

"Christian Bale was born in Wales, so therefore he is Welsh" - Well going by that Angela Thorne is Pakistani! Anyway, someone's country of birth does not signy their nationality, and its amazing that you actually believe that. Had he been born in Spain, would you call him Spanish? His parents are English, he calls himself English, and he mainly grew up in England. He left Wales aged two! It may be right to call him British (although I prefer English), but Welsh definatly not.

Also, may I say that you cannot add to a citation like you did. What you said, "Although this may have been said for the sake of not confusing an American audience, who may not have understood for concept of him being British, but not English", is pure speculation and also insulting to Americans. Wikipedia is not the place for speculation like that. Also, do you really believe that he thought about whether he was confusing his audience when he spoke? And my edit saying "England actor" was a typo, so dont attack me for that. Can I also remind you to sign your edits please. --Berks105 18:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I will ignore your misguided personal comments, for my part I am not really bothered where you are from. You might say that Christian Bale has certain reason for calling himself English lets say parents, education, accent and upbringing for starters. If you were to call yourself Latvian on what would you base that? The point is he does not merely 'consider' himself English his background and heritage are English.

"Also, I don't consider the Country someone is born in necessarily to be their nationality, but the fact of the matter is he is Welsh." So in that sentence you remove your only reason for him being Welsh! You are basing him being Welsh on simply birth, you cannot be serious look around you, there are many people in my life alone not born in the country they call home, it makes no difference. There are many on Wikipedia aswell if you look around (Julie Christie). He left when he was 2 years old with no family or cultural links back to Wales.

I did not "decide he is English" he did which is the point of the quotes.--Berks105 00:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I think its a shame you decided once again to change it. "Welsh born" is misleading suggesting he was Welsh by nationality at birth, not that he was just born there. A previous discussion on his TalkPage between myself and someone else agreed that Welsh born is inaccurate. I, for I think the third time, suggest a comprise; British. I personally perfer English and thinks its far more accurate, but if you are totally unwillingly to accept this, then how about British. --Berks105 21:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Brackets

I don't wish to start another edit war, but if you look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates of birth and death you will see that places of birth and death should not be in these brackets. They should be in the relevant paragraph and the infobox; as they are. --Berks105 22:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

John Terry

Please refrain from adding an uncited opinion to the article. SteveO 17:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism warning

Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Frank Lampard. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Gwernol 00:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)