Tobermory Womble

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Kelsey Grammer

I reverted your edits to the Kelsey Grammer article. No offense, it's just that you changed active voice to passive voice (were → have been) moved a full stop from outside a quote to inside (we use British punctuation for fullstops; it's just more accurate) and you said that having four members of your family killed was just "some". While we strive to be NPOV here, having four members of the family you grew up in killed or otherwise dying is a lot, no matter how old you become. Please continue contributing to Wikipedia. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 13:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

No worries mate,

I got caught in the academic style which is a bit conservative.

I wrote: 'Tossed salad and scrambled eggs'.

This is because the song is 'Tossed salad and scrambled eggs', and the sentence concludes after that quote.

For example I would write: Kelsey, G. (199x). 'Tossed salad and scrambled eggs'.

An example of quote punctuation from the Sydney Law School Style guide: As Kirby J said, the Australian judge is ‘a riddle, wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma’.

Another example of quote punctuation, in the Harvard style, being: Stewart (1982, p. 6) said: 'Engineers are vital to the survival of the planet'.

I would also suggest that since you affirm that British punctuation is in use in this article, please consider that this article does not conform to the British punctuation style and so will need revision. For example, the American Psychological Association style guide shows:

Style issue- To enclose a quotation use: American Style - Double quotation marks; British Style - Single quotation marks

Style issue- To enclose a quotation within a quotation use: American Style - Single quotation marks; British Style - Double quotation marks

Style issue - Place periods and commas use: American Style - Inside quotation marks; British Style - Outside quotation marks

All of the quotation marks within the 'Kelsey Grammer' article use the American punctuation style "double quote marks", rather than the British punctuation style 'single quote marks'. This may need revision of the article. For example the article currently has the American quotation style and the British punctuation style in this part of the article: and sang the closing theme "Tossed Salads and Scrambled Eggs."

Your comments are welcome as I am new to editing and I am now aware of the differing editorial styles that exist within Wikipedia and will have to adjust my style as needed.

Cheers,

Tobermory ^conferre 14:51, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I probably misspoke saying we used British punctuation style. We actually use our own combination of styles. Your best bet is to read Manual of Style. Unfortunately, it's rather long and dry, but it has all the informal rules we follow. But, of course, on Wikipedia, there are no firm rules. But, if you want your edits kept, and not reverted by jerks like me, it's a good idea to try and follow them. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 15:28, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks,

I did.

Here is what Wikipedia advises:

Correct: Arthur said, "The situation is deplorable and unacceptable."

(The period is known to be in the source.)

Correct: Arthur said that the situation was "deplorable".

(The period is known not to be in the source, its presence in the source is uncertain, or its coverage within the quotation is considered unnecessary.)

In the situation we are discussing, the name of the song is quoted as 'Tossed salad and scrambled eggs' and the full point doesn't function as part of that clause and therefore sits outside of it. As in: Arthur said that the song was 'Tosssed salad and scrambled eggs'. That is how I see it, anyway. As to punctuation, a quick look at the styleguide you referred me to shows that Wikipedia absolutely follows the American style, which can be explained as it is an American website and most American software (e.g. Microsoft Office) follow that convention. This can be seen as cultural imperialism and is an interesting question for Wikipedia. Is there diversity or an enforced code? If enforced, which rules - US English, British English, World English? Chicago style (the most common around the world) or Harvard style (also very popular), or another style (like APA)?

Thanks for an interesting intro. I learned a lot!

Tobermory ^conferre 05:24, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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