Tob55

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Hello, this is the talk page of Tob55 14:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC). I will welcome all discussion concerning some of the topics of interest I have edited for accuracy and up to date information. I hope the information I have changed does not offend too greatly, it is just that I see a need to make the playing field even when we talk about the subject of accreditation. I did some research and discovered some of the institutions being discussed do in fact have legitimate authorization to offer their degrees, speciffically those in India which seem to be getting a lot of attention lately. Let me know what you think about the current state of affairs in the area of accreditation across the board. Tob55 14:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC) 23:44, 20, August 2006 (KST)

Indian Accreditation

Before making major edits provide sources. Your changes will be reverted quickly if you failed to present such evidence. CaliEd 21:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello CaliEd, Thanks for the reply and I will try to be brief with my response. I did some investigating as you suggested and found the following information from the Internet...The information to which I referred in the edits was related to the National Consitution of India and certain Acts that were established for the purposes of minority-community populations within the country. I pulled this information is the Ministry of Human Resource Development http://www.education.nic.in/minority.asp under the Higher Education section of the website. The Act in question is The National Commission for Minority Educational Institution (Amendment) Act, 2004

I went to the link did it support the edits you made? No, it discussed minority populations. Until you get sources that say "Trinity School of Apologetics & Theology" and the others are legit don't make the edits. The burdern of proof is on the person who wants the claims in the article. CaliEd 06:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

The Act states that minority-communities within the country are entitled to be supervised by agencies outside the scope of the Education Department and the UGC so that all people will have the same opportunity to have access to higher education. The Act allows for the creation and operation of entities that will basically function as accreditation agents under the strict supervision of the State and Central Government.

Okay. Proof that Trinity School of Apologetics & Theology is part of this? CaliEd 06:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

In addition I went to several websites listing the institutions which were considered blacklisted by several U.S. State Education Agencies that were listed in several of the articles posted in Wikipedia and the Trinity School of Theology and Apologetics nor ICAATS are not on their lists. I have no personal vendetta against you or others who have posted this information. I am only asking for fair representation of the information that is in the entry. I will seek to secure other documentation to further verify the information, however, it will be hard for you to argue against the Act of the National Constitution of India which in fact does support the existence of organizations like Trinity School and the organization which accredits them, namely, ICAATS...Thanks Tob55 02:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC) 11:55, 21 August, 2006

I am only asking for proof. The poor grammar on these websites aside, and that they are connected to an unaccredited "school" in California and trying to pass off the accreditation as legitimate is not going to be taken lightly.

I find it interesting that so many new users find their way to these Trinity related schools to white wash them.

I could really care less if Trinity is legit or not. I care about the facts. The Indian database, UNESCO list, etc. show this place is NOT accredited. You claim it is, so give us clear and direct proof. CaliEd 06:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your information. The following is a quote from your post concerning Trinity: This "school" does NOT appear on the UNESCO's IAU Universities List of accredited Indian schools. Here is a direct quote from correspondence made with the UNESCO/IAU organization directly: UNESCO does not accredit any university and educational institutes. This is a false claim made by some institutions. UNESCO has published an alert on this issue. With warm regards,

Pady Hara

UNESCO

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Josiah, Jocelyne UNSECO India

Please tell me what kind of proof your are looking for, AND if it is provided that you will retract the false claims and information you are promoting in your writing? Thanks...Tob55 12:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Yep, UNESCO doesn't accredit. They list schools that are accredited according to each countries regulations.[1] It states this in the article. Had you read it instead of reverted you wouldn't have wasted your time. CaliEd 00:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Addressing the Issues

CaliEd, it is evident to me that whoever you are, you operate under the assumption that you are right 100% of the time. What a sad way to present yourself. Your "assumption" that I am a new user as you so aptly stated in your talk page, is not only inaccurate, but totally out of line. I can only surmise that it is a vain attempt on your part ot make yourself look better. I have been a contributing member of Wikipedia since the beginning of 2005. I just chose for my own reasons not to post or edit until this point. I am a well educated individual from the USA with high values for academic integrity. One thing that weighs high on my list of things that I consider incorrigible is the blatant use of misstatements and wrong information by people like yourself that are only interested in one thing...promoting your own ideas about what is right and wrong. I, like you, am interested in the facts...However, you seem to be more interested in the facts as you see them rather than how they really are. I can and will provide the proofs which you are seeking, but I highly doubt that will satisfy you because you are bent on discrediting (for whatever reason) associations and institutions that do not fit into your limited worldview. I also suppose that you being the great revisionist that you are, will edit my remarks to make them appear as if I have opened a personal attack on you. If that is your choice, then by all means go ahead and continue to try and make yourself look better. I have no gripe with you, I just want to be given the same respect you so vehemently fight to receive from others. One more thing...we hicks from the sticks aren't as stupid as you might suppose, so don't accuse others personally of what you cannot prove...Tob55 00:38, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Give proof for your claims. As for you, it is clear that you wish to start several accounts to white wash this page. CaliEd 00:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking for Facts and Cooperation

Really CaliEd, I have no intention of discrediting you or anyone else on this website. I only ask that if you are presenting information you consider to be factual, then make sure that it is accurate information. I would prefer to settle this with you rather than bring in an arbitrator. That would only result in you and I having animosity toward one another and that isn't accomplishing anything. If we can negotiate the discussion and come up with the factual information that would shed light on the actual standing of only two entities that I am addressing (Trinity School of theology and Apologetics/ ICAATS - the organization which accredits them) then my discussions on the subject would come to an end.

I see that others have been less than complimentary to you in their efforts to come to some reasonable resolve in this matter. I am not a person who engages in conflict with a kill or be killed attitude. Also, I really have only one account with Wikipedia, and it is the only one I have ever seen the need to have. All the correspondence to you in other areas of Wikipedia are simply copy and paste messages from the original I first sent to you. If there are people attacking you using multiple identities, I am sorry to hear that.

I feel the best way to resolve conflict is to be honest in what I do. You will not get a lot of rhetoric from me about which philosophy of education is better or not better. I am an educator by profession, and have spent a great number of years trying to improve my understanding of the whole state of education world-wide. My interests are in the recognition of "legitimate" educational entities around the world. Education is a privileged commodity that doesn't get nearly as much recognition as it should. So, in the spirit of communication and cooperativeness, I hope there is some way to work together with you to get the real facts out about Trinity School of Theology and Apologetics as well as ICAATS.

If you would like to have a Wiki arbitrator look at the facts you presented and those which are being gathered by officials from the two organizations you are challenging, then have a decision made, that would be fine with me. No harm, no foul. I just think that it would be better to make changes working together in cooperation rather than finding out that changes will be forced on you without any options. However, you must make this decision. I will await your response before making any other correspondence with others from Wiki. Thanks Tob55 05:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Car Touches Your Soul

Hello Tob55,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Car Touches Your Soul for deletion, because it seems to be promotional, rather than an encyclopedia article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Stephreef (talk) 07:22, 22 September 2017 (UTC)