Theultimatequestion

Classicism

The point is, that page is not about "Classical" theatre, ie Ancient theatre. The entire page is about the "Classical Revival", beginning with the Renaissance. It is about Classical revival styles in all sorts of things, encompassing Artchitecture, literature, music etc. It is not about ancient Greek plays, ancient Greek architecture, or the wall paintings in ancient Pompeii. It is the wrong place to write about Greek plays, just as it is the wrong place to write about the Parthenon. It is the right place to state that a certain French playwright was influenced by Greek Drama or that a certain Venetian architect was influenced by Roman temples and triumphal arches. Hope this makes it clear. Amandajm (talk) 13:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

re. Classicism

I see your point in that this page seems to describe allthing 'influced' by ancient times.

However the page to me seems wrongly titled if this is the case as classicism implies a time where all things 'classical' where made. This page seems to me to be more about neo-classicism emulating ancient times. I will talk to my lecturers and getback to you, but it still seems to me that by implication 'classicalism' should talk of 'classic' literature etc, whilst 'neo-classicism' is the revivial of these aspects through the 'age of reason'.

It seems to me these articles should be an extension of the 'neo-classical' page, and 'classicalism' should be a disambiguation linking one to the history of ancient literature, arichecture etc. Theultimatequestion (talk) 13:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

re. Classicism

I'll just have a bit of a fiddle with the expression of those sentences that you added and see if they can be incorporated better. Amandajm (talk) 16:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I decided against it. Take a look at Classical unities. There is a whole section there on the French interpretation. However there doesn't seem to be any page that is specifically on French Neo Classical theatre. That might be the best way to go.

Just explain to me, very clearly, the difference, as you see it, between "Classicalism" and "Classicism". Since I am on the other side of the globe and it is now past 3.00 AM, I'll check this out tomorrow. Toodle-oo! Amandajm (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

re. Classicism

'classicism' - implies to me the period of 'ancient' literature, architecture etc- ages of Homer, Virgil, Ovid, Eurpides, Sophocles.

'neo-classicalism' to me/ as I have been taught is the rebellion to romanticism, toward the age of reason the revival of 'classical' thinking - Racine etc.

I will check with my lecture's to make sure I have the correct understanding. If they/,e are right the 'classicism' page belongs in the neo-classical page and classicism should be a disamibuation directinga user to the history of arictecture, literature etc. Theultimatequestion (talk) 18:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

re. Classicism

• In art, architecture and music, the term Classicism is usually used to define the modern period of Classical imitation. We don't usually talk about the "Classicism" of the Classical period (ie the Ancient period).
• The term "Classicism" can be used specifically to denote a period of intense and deliberate Classical imitation eg the French period in painting which encompassed Ingres and Jacques Louis David. This period of Classicism followed the Rococo (which has obvious romantic elements but is not "named" Romantic. see next point). This period of Classicism was followed by "Romantics" who rebelled against the "Classicist" style- Delacroix, Daumier etc.
• The terms "classicism" and "classical" can also be used in a broad sense which implies an ethos that is "non-romantic". In this sense the terms classical and romantic have nothing to do with any given period. Elements of the classical or the romantic can be found in artists of any period.

Thus one might look at Dutch painters and say that Rembrandt's paintings are Romantic and Vermeer's are Classical in their ethos. The works of Titian are Romantic, while Michelangelo's are Classical; Matisse, Renoir, Gauguin, Van Gogh, and Rodin are Romantics while Manet, Degas, Picasso, Mondrian, and Henry Moore are Classicists.

Hear from you soon!

Amandajm (talk) 03:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

re. Classicism

I never said romaticism and classicism are the same thing, i said classicism is a rebellion to romanticism as you stated. I understand this well enough the history lesson was not really in order, but thanks anyway.

My point still stands that the movement you are describing should be redefined 'neo-classicalism' and all aritcles should extend onto that page - those wanting 'classicalism' re-driected to a disambiguation - giving links to the history of architecture, literature etc and also a link to the 'neo-classical ' movement.I will get back to you in a week or so after I've talked to my lecturer about this.Theultimatequestion (talk) 14:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)