TheCrew65
June 2024
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Removing categories
editHi TheCrew65, I noticed that you have removed a lot of categories, including in cases where there are sourced genres linked to where there are sourced genres in their respective articles. I wanted to ask why, I at first presumed it was because there was a category which linked the artist to the genre of which would be fair enough, as there has been common practice for that with one editor specifically who's specialised in categories in which I've seen them do. However, I checked to see if this was the case and Bring Me The Horizon themselves aren't linked to the genre of emo pop or emo in categories so I can't make sense of these edits hence why I'm asking you because you didn't provide an edit summary for these edits, of which I do encourage you to do. I wanted an explanation for these edits as to why you made these changes, and that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 11:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. I did alter many of the categories for several pages, including several Bring Me the Horizon song pages. This is because even though they have linked sources stating that they, a lot of the articles seem to be talking about them in more of a broader context of alternative culture rather than it being directly tied to emo itself. These songs just do not carry the influence from the same stylistic motifs of traditional emo from decades before or even currently. A lot of the songs that I changed categories either fit better with categories like nu metal, hyperpop, or general alternative rock/metal.
- Plus, even if an article is found with a cited genre, that doesn't automatically mean that the source correctly stated the genre. Two years ago on the article for Incubus' Drive, someone sourced it as a nu metal song even though it was clearly alternative and was supported that way. However, it was left up there for well over a year even though there was a consensus of people who questioned otherwise. The talk page was left there for a long period of time, and its instances such as that which is why I want wikipedia to at least have an improved quality of control for their sources. If a genre is given a source and is left on, then fine. But the categories should at least best reflect the music.
- I apologize for any intrusion. I'm just very passionate about emo music in general, and not in a snobby "midwest emo is real emo" way. More in a general respect for the wave of emo brought up by Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance. Bring Me the Horizon just stylistically fits more with either other metal acts (specifically nu metal) or pop acts as opposed to emo. I hope this wasn't something too alarming. TheCrew65 (talk) 21:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for getting back to me, while I do agree that Bring Me The Horizon usually does fit in with metal and pop much more than they would emo, that misses a massive point. For the past few years, they've stated their intention for the new Post Human series, Post Human: Survival Horror which is inspired by and stylistically similar to nu metal. They've also said that the second release Post Human: Nex Gen was inspired by and stylistically similar to 2000's pop punk and emo, in the vein of the bands you mentioned above. While it may not sound exactly that way, Bring Me The Horizon are a band who genre bend a lot, thus why you'll see some of the songs on the new album being described as post-hardcore, pop punk, emo, easycore and hyperpop for example. It is safe to say a lot of these songs have been considered as emo by the band, fans and critics alike. Your comments above honestly do lean a lot into WP:Original Research, which isn't allowed in the Wikipedia project as your comments above are opinions going against what professional music journalists say, of whose opinions and analysis I do trust (Aside from when Rolling Stone infamously called One Direction a rock band). The vast majority of the time, I trust that they know what they are talking about. To come back to you, doing this is honestly not the correct way to go about it if you want to question the legitimacy of many claims of sources, because at the end of the day, all this analysis comes down to opinions of what subgenre it sounds like, otherwise there sometimes wouldn't be up to five different subgenres to describe a song as. I will suggest you start up a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force to get opinions on the matter to get different thoughts there, but for now I will add your removals back to the articles in question. Thank you for your reply, it is much appreciated. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 12:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I started the discussion at the talk page.
- I guess my main thing is that the band claimed to have been inspired by the style of music, but that doesn't explicitely mean that they are directly that nor have there been any direct callings from the band themselves d irectly describing it all as such. Because you can be inspired by a wide spread of artists while not being directly correlated with the genre itself. But I won't waste my breath here. I'll have that discussion over in the talk page for input. TheCrew65 (talk) 20:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for getting back to me, while I do agree that Bring Me The Horizon usually does fit in with metal and pop much more than they would emo, that misses a massive point. For the past few years, they've stated their intention for the new Post Human series, Post Human: Survival Horror which is inspired by and stylistically similar to nu metal. They've also said that the second release Post Human: Nex Gen was inspired by and stylistically similar to 2000's pop punk and emo, in the vein of the bands you mentioned above. While it may not sound exactly that way, Bring Me The Horizon are a band who genre bend a lot, thus why you'll see some of the songs on the new album being described as post-hardcore, pop punk, emo, easycore and hyperpop for example. It is safe to say a lot of these songs have been considered as emo by the band, fans and critics alike. Your comments above honestly do lean a lot into WP:Original Research, which isn't allowed in the Wikipedia project as your comments above are opinions going against what professional music journalists say, of whose opinions and analysis I do trust (Aside from when Rolling Stone infamously called One Direction a rock band). The vast majority of the time, I trust that they know what they are talking about. To come back to you, doing this is honestly not the correct way to go about it if you want to question the legitimacy of many claims of sources, because at the end of the day, all this analysis comes down to opinions of what subgenre it sounds like, otherwise there sometimes wouldn't be up to five different subgenres to describe a song as. I will suggest you start up a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force to get opinions on the matter to get different thoughts there, but for now I will add your removals back to the articles in question. Thank you for your reply, it is much appreciated. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 12:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)