User talk:Tóraí/Poll on Ireland article names/Subsets/Irish editors

Excellent work, Mr Youth. I'm working on something similar myself. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:55, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

wow great job, well done Rannphairti BritishWatcher (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm taking this slowly. Although I have managed to easily count 24 Irish editors, and I've only got as far as Stu, and I can see more further on down I know to be Irish. Sarah's last count is 21 for the full ballot (less the last couple of most recent votes). Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

is interesting to see Sarah only recons 6 Irish editors vote F in round one, puts her stats way off if its double that lol BritishWatcher (talk) 22:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I've seven Irish voting F as first preference in round one, but then I'm only as far as Stu in the full list of voters. There are more. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Only 7 so far?? whats the 12 in the tally? BritishWatcher (talk) 22:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Woops forget this tally is Rannpháirtí anaithnids not urs Bastun so got confused when u said 7. I hope hes right about the 12 Irish voting for F in round one.. really does highlight how flawed Sarahs stats are. BritishWatcher (talk) 23:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Sarah doesn't count Northern Ireland voters as being "Irish". I ran the count again using her definition. She doesn't seem seem too pleased about this.

Tally of "Irish" subset minus "NI" voters (per Sarah777)

Election title: Irish editors subset of Ireland-articles poll
Method: IRV
Number of total ballots: 25
Number of invalid or empty ballots: 0
Number of ballots used in the count: 25
6 candidate running for 1 seats.

 R|A   |B   |C   |D   |E   |F   |Exha
  |    |    |    |    |    |    |uste
  |    |    |    |    |    |    |d   
=====================================================================================================================
 1|   1|   2|   7|   3|   2|  10|   0
  |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count of first choices.
=====================================================================================================================
 2|    |   2|   7|   3|   2|  11|   0
  |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating A and transferring votes.
=====================================================================================================================
 3|    |    |   7|   4|   3|  11|   0
  |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating B and transferring votes. Candidates B and E were tied when choosing candidates to
  | eliminate. Candidate B was chosen by breaking the tie randomly.
=====================================================================================================================
 4|    |    |   8|   6|    |  11|   0
  |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating E and transferring votes.
=====================================================================================================================
 5|    |    |  12|    |    |  13|   0
  |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating D and transferring votes.

Winner is F.

--rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 23:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Is funny how 48 hours ago she was complaining about cenorship and now is censoring any comments that show her flawed system for what it is. So even on Sarahs own system, the vote with the highest number of Irish voters support is F???? BritishWatcher (talk) 23:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't she count Northern Irish as Irish if they self-identify as Irish on their userpage? Meh, I'll go back over my own list and tag the NI people, then running the numbers they can be included, included as Irish or British or unknown, etc. Though so far there appear to be very few from NI. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

She includes all NI folk in "British" ... but don't mention that to her: it's a touchy subject. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 11:13, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

My count: British editors: 35 British assumed: 8 Irish editors: 27 non-Irish/non-British: 38 unknown: 36

Total voters 144 (includes strikethrough votes).

Poll limited to British/British-assumed editors: F wins. Poll limited to non-Irish/non-British and unknown: F wins. Poll limited to Irish editors: F still wins.

That's before you even start looking at Mick Macnee's point about vote weighting. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 18:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

The other irony is that before the furore about her spreadsheet support for F was falling, down to 37%, since that controversy it's rebounded to 45%. Of course that could be coincedence but there is evidence that some voters were pushed to vote for F in response. Speaking personally everytime I think of unilaterally compromising she pops up with some extremist POV remark and convinces me to stick with F. She's achieving the very opposite of what she hopes with all that behaviour. Valenciano (talk) 19:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

lol so true, i can live with a compromise on the article title but its seeing her misleading attacks and imagining her comments following a change to the article title that really put me off. If a change came on the conditition that Sarah never mentions it again, id switch lol. BritishWatcher (talk) 19:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't count on it. The main arguments that people are using for changing the article title are that it'll keep the peace. It won't. The POV pushers will just find other stuff to get offended about - there's already griping about British Isles and I'm sure other stuff will be found. "The north of Ireland" anyone? Valenciano (talk) 14:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)