User talk:StevenJ81/sandbox/Public holidays in Israel

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• Besides Mizrachi Expulsion, Herzl & Jabotinsky Days, I am not sure there are other days of such status marked by the Knesset as "nationally marked days". If you start down the slippery slope of days just marked by Knesset in the Knesset, you have something each week of the year. Check this for instance: https://knesset.gov.il/KnessetEvent/eng/EventList_eng.aspx Alanadrubin (talk) 16:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

  @Alanadrubin: I take your point. What makes those three different? (And why, at minimum, wouldn't Rabin be in this category? It's certainly widely marked inside and outside of Israel.) StevenJ81 (talk) 16:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Note that the Hebrew version of the (single) template, he:תבנית:חגי ישראל ומועדיו, includes Herzl, Jabotinsky, Rabin and Rehavam Ze'evi. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I have reviewed that template before, and I do not consider it accurate and definitive at all. I am going through the original text of each Knesset law in Hebrew to determine the differences and accurate information. I have created Ben-Gurion Day since doing so. Alanadrubin (talk) 17:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Let's put a source on that when you're done. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:34, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

יום העלייה

@Alanadrubin: As I read the legislation, the holiday is on 7 Heshvan, period—not 10 Nisan. What am I missing? StevenJ81 (talk) 19:59, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Good looking out. Whether it was because chazal debated lishma, or today's MK trying out to politico each other, many Jewish and Israeli national holidays have their nuances of variable dates on the calendar that become mesora. Yom HaAliyah is no different. As the final text of the Yom HaAliyah law states, the holiday is the 10th of Nisan in honor of Am Yisrael crossing the Yarden led by Yeshoshua, thus creating the first mass Aliyah to Eretz Yisrael in history. The 10th of Nisan is the actual holiday. Because some politicians were concerned that creating a new national holiday based on the text of the Torah was "too religious", and other politicians worried that schools in Israel are always closed on the 10th of Nisan because of its proximity to Pesach thus not enough PR, and other politicians worried that their names weren't connected enough to the initiative, a "Frankenstein" compromise was found in the final text of the bill to also mandate Aliyah celebrations on the 7th of Cheshvan. Therefore, the 7th of Cheshvan became the "observed" date for in-school Aliyah programming, and when the Misrad HaKlita gets to have its day in the press, putting on a concert with Minister photo ops. This is why Yom HaAliyah is usually written out as being on the 10th of Nisan & "observed" or "marked" also on the 7th of Cheshvan. Alanadrubin (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Well, I was curious, because I would have been surprised if the press got it all wrong. So is s:he:חוק יום העלייה not the final version of the law? I'm no lawyer (especially in Hebrew), but I read this as saying "we're marking the aliyah of Joshua's generation—which happened on 10 Nisan—on 7 Heshvan". I don't see it as actually saying that 10 Nisan is the holiday. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:44, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry its been a bit, but ive been doing some deep research, including speaking to the initiators & authors of the bill itself, including Hilik Bar, Michael Oren, and Miki Zohar, and all agree that their intent was the 10th of Nisan as the holiday, with the "combina" giving other "political interests" Aliyah programming in schools during Cheshvan. The media got it right.Alanadrubin (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for that. So whatever else we do here, I suggest you make sure the final text of the law, as enacted, is correct at s:he:חוק יום העלייה. Meanwhile, it's been long enough, so this week we'll work on getting these templates fixed up. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:22, 26 June 2017 (UTC)