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Regarding one of your edits in the thenkalai page.
editHello Sri. Unfortunately one of your edits in the section "Differences with vadakalai srivaishnavas" , in the thenkalai page, could not stay, as it violated wikipedia's basic policy of verifiable fact.
You must note that wikipedia's prime policy is Verifiability, not truth; which means "No original work based on what you observe".
You changed the content from "They follow that" to "They emphasize importance on that", and you gave a comment for your revert. Wikipedia does not care about your observance of a fact or that of mine. Wikipedia only wants verifiable sources for referencing(provided alongside the sentence as an inline citation).
You see, truth is a matter of perspective which changes from one individual to another. Many anthropologists, museologists & genealogists dont believe in what we hold to be true. Many of them have given a different explanation for the two sects(with factual proof). Now wikipedia relies on such sources, precisely. Please remember that Iyengars are not the only ones to view this article. People from any part of the world would take a look at the page, & those people only rely on anthropologic books etc. Your changes "may not" or "may be" contradicting & inconsistent with what they've learnt before. Changing source content, while contributing, is considered "vandalism" in wikipedia.
The sources i've provided are considered "extremely reliable" as per wiki' norms. Please check that line. In the end i've provided sources in the form of references(citations 11, 12, 13 - Superscript like numbers at the end of the corresponding line). Click on them and it will take you to the bottom of the page. Then click on the reference, to view the actual source. The sources are available for online viewing. Out of the 3 sources provided for that contrib' - One is a "Std:7 Social Science Textbook, published by the TN State govt'", next source is that of "American Libraries Book Procurement Center" which is a highly renowned and a non-indian source, and the last source is from "Quarterly Journal of Mythic Society" by "Dr. Sudish Kamath". The last two sources explicitly refer to the "vadakalai & thenkalai" as "vedic & prabandhic" branches, respectively. In all these cases i've provided neutral party sources(from non-iyengars) which matter the most while contributing here.
Now you could be able to find some sources to support ur contribs(& counter mine) from various srivaishnava websites, but sensitive and challenged data need to be taken from "neutral party sources" that are highly renowned(govt sources, non-indian, non-iyengar source from renowned publications & journals), etc. If you can remove my sources , then yours should be atleast four in number (possibly from Indian central govt, renowned univ' like cambridge university publications), etc, otherwise the "exisiting data with sources" cannot be removed.
Also , when the anthropologists and other authors have varied views, we're only supposed to do "copy pasting" from the source than giving our own interpretation. The word "follow" could have many synonyms including the term "emphasizing importance". But narrowing down its meaning to one specific term(which is not mentioned in the source) is not allowed. Let the viewers interpret the word "follow" from their own perspective. We're only allowed to do "direct interpretation" of source contents (regardless of whether it is vague or perfect, in the eyes of an individual). By the way the sentence goes as "They follow that" and not "They only follow that". So there is no contradiction at all.
Inspite of the detailed explanation given here, if you still have problems, then wikipedia is not the place for it. You may give your views by starting your own blog in the internet (feel free to do that), but wiki' is different.
And please dont use terms like "U.ve", "Swami" , etc here in wiki'. They are not official. For example, the famous(across india) vadakalai pandit "Agnihotram Ramanuja Tatacharya" is referred to by pandits all over india as "Mahamahopadyaya Agnihotram Ramanuja Tatacharya Swamy". But in wiki' his name should just be mentioned as "Agnihotram Ramanuja Tatacharya" , while "mahamahopadyaya" & "swamy" are left out. "Agnihotram" is added as they are agnihotris performing agnihotra daily at household , and its official(also helpful to differentiate from other ramanuja tatacharyas). Ar Rahman's name cannot be mentioned as "Oscar Ar Rahman" or "Padmashree Ar Rahman" in wikipedia. Hope you understand.
By the way, i've added the names of some more prominent thenkalai iyengars in the list. Added names of velukkudi krishnan, and P.B.Srinivas(singer).
But i've also removed the names of some "not so famous ones". Now again, iyengars are not the only ones to view the article. Anyone & everyone shouldnt be mentioned here. Names of everyone from the kinchitikaram trust need not be added here. But certainly velukkudi krishnan & his father are prominent personalities. Added "Velukkudi Krishnan's" name in the page.
Hope i've explained well. If you still have doubts , go thru it again with some patience. It is a very long message. Thank You. Happy Editing. Hari7478 (talk) 11:01, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
About tirumala jeeyar swamy mutt.
editThe source simply indicates that there is following for that mutt, but nothing about a "large following". So i've just removed that term "large" as it indicates population count, and such statistical data(which are always challenged) need be from neutral party sources. TTD is still run by srivaishnavites. However i've only removed the term "large following", while the edits stay.
If tirumala jeeyar is head pontiff of tirupati temple, then it should be mentioned in "Tirumala temple wiki' page", but not in the tenkalai page.
Take the example of vadakalai page - although ahobila mutt jeeyar is head pontiff of all the nine temples in ahobilam, it is not mentioned in the vadakalai page, as it only belongs to the "ahobilam temples" page. Likewise if parakala mutt jeeyar is head pontiff of some temple, then it should be mentioned in the corresponding page abt the temple, not in the vadakalai page.
You need not reply to this message. But do have these in mind. Thank You. Hari7478 (talk) 13:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)