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Nationality of F1 drivers

Hi Sion. Hope you're enjoying working on F1 articles!

Regarding the nationality of UK drivers, my understanding is that the FIA specify that a driver's nationality goes with their passport. As you can only have a British passport, not a Welsh, Scottish, or Northern Irish one, drivers such as Tom Pryce, David Coulthard, Eddie Irvine etc appear under the UK flag. There are other good reasons for this - being Scottish, Welsh etc is often a matter of self identification, which is harder to verify for an encyclopaedia than a passport nationality. This topic often comes up though. Happy to discuss. 4u1e 08:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The general problem is we can't verify easily if the driver considers themselves to be Welsh,Scottish, English, Northern Irish, Cornish or whatever. The FIA which is the main source for this information (on the basis that it should be the most reliable) gives the nationality as British and therefore currently Wikipedia's F1 pages should reflect this. Alexj2002 18:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

See Tom Pryce for another possible compromise - although most editors don't like this one either. Please use the talk page if you want to discuss further changes. Using UK as the nationality is a widely accepted convention in F1 articles. It is unlikely that simply editing it back and forth will get us anywhere. Always happy to discuss. Cheers. 4u1e 21:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Sion - I would prefer to discuss this with you, but obviously that becomes difficult if you won't engage. You have again changed several race results against the long established convention of WikiProject Formula One (i.e use of Welsh flag). I've changed them back again - as I have observed before this is not going to get us very far. Without your getting involved in a conversation it will start to look as if you are not interested in improving Wikipedia, but only in conflict. If this gets to a stage where I believe that this is the case, I will seek further advice on how to deal with it under Wikipedia's policies. Cheers. 4u1e 12:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Cy:Fel rhywyn sydd wedi treulio llawer o amser i gwella erthyglion Formula 1 ar Wikipedia, gan gynnwys gwneaud yn siwr fod pethau fel cenydl yn gyson trwy'r wefan, mae hi'n drist i weld rhywyn yn ceisio difrodi rhain. Y rheswm dros defnyddio Prydain fel wlad yn lle Cymru/Lloegr etc. yw dyna beth sydd wedi cael ei cytuno rhwng aelodau o'r WikiProject Formula One. Mae sawl gwahoddiad wedi cael ei ymestyn I chi cael trafod hon ar naillai yr 'tudalen trafod' (Discussion Page) WikiProject Formula One neu ar y tudalen hon. Os yr wyt yn credu mae rhesymau da ar gyfer newid yr canllaw yma, rydym yn digon barod i clywed nhw ac dadlau unrhyw newid. Os nad wyt am trafod gyda ni yr rhesymau rwyf yn gofyn i chi i barchu yr canllawiau yr ydym wedi creu ac yn eich rhybyddi efallai bydd unrhyw newidiadau pellach yn cael ei ystyried yn fandaliaeth. Rwy'n gofyn yn garedig i chi ymateb i'r neges yma yn y Saesneg oherwydd ein bod ni ar y Wikipedia Saesneg ac mae'r rhan fwyaf or cyfranwyr yn cyfathrebu yn y Saesneg yn unig. Os nad ydych yn siwr sut i ymateb, clicwch y bwtwm golygu fel y byddwch yn gwneaud ar erthygl arferol, rhowch eich ymateb ar diwedd yr sectiwn o'r tudalen mae yn cyferio at ac ar diwedd eich neges teipiwch ~~~~ i arwyddo y neges. Rwyf yn edrych ymlaen at clwyed wrthoch. Alexj2002 18:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Cymru

Yes but on the edit page it says "Native name:Wales".But the native name is Cymru!

I understand your issue with this and I sympathise. However, I disagree that 'Cymru' is the only native name for Wales. It's an unfortunate fact that the majority of Welsh people don't speak Welsh, but it is a fact. For this reason, the majority of native Welsh people don't call their country Cymru in their native tongue. This does not make Cymru any less native, but I'm afraid it gives Wales a rather strong claim to being equally native. Since it is the form used by the majority, and since this is the English-language version of Wikipedia, Wales really should come first. Mae'n ddrwg gennyf, ond dyna'r sefyllfa.

Gyda llaw, 'swn i'n ddiolchgar pe baech chi'n arwyddo'ch negeseuon â ~~~~ yn y dyfodol! garik 22:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I've changed it back again for the reasons given above. I suggest this issue be discussed on the talk page before any more reverts. garik 22:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ond os ewch i tudalen Iwerddon mae'r enw "Eire" o flaen "Ireland" ond eto dim ond mymryn sy'n siarad 
yr iaith yno!

Mae gennych chi bwynt, dwi'n cyfaddef. Wedi dweud hynny, efallai "Ireland" ddylai dod cyn "Eire". Y beth orau i'w gwneud, beth bynnag (cyn newid yr erthygl) yw codi'r pwynt ar y dudalen sgwrs. Mae Wikipedia i fod i ddatblygu trwy consensws.

(You have a point, I admit. Having said that, perhaps "Ireland" should come before "Eire". The best thing to do, anyway (before changing the article) is to raise the issue on the talk page. Wikipedia is supposed to develop by consensus.)

In general, by the way, I think we should write in English on English Wikipedia - I mean on talk pages and so on. This means we don't exclude non-speakers from discussions. And thank you for signing your name under your post, but please just write "~~~~" in future! It gives the date and time automatically and makes your user name clickable. garik 23:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Nationality of UK drivers

Hi again. Thought I'd just mention again that this topic is being discussed again at WikiProject Formula One. As you seem not to agree with the consensus position you might like to take the opportunity to put your views across. Unless the consensus changes from the current view, your edits to Tom Pryce will keep getting reverted - which will be a waste of time for all of us. Hope you feel you can engage in discussion - see WP:TALK for some info on talk pages, if you're not familiar with them. Cheers 4u1e 17:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Melisende of Jerusalem

Greetings! I know you do not know me from Adam, but I was curious if you could translate a page I rewrote into Welsh. I am a Welsh learner but not nearly schooled enough to attempt a translation. This page on Queen Melisende is dear to me and I have long wished to see it translated into Welsh. I recognize that it may not be a subject you care not at all about. But I thougt I might ask anywhos.

Also, might you know when ap replaced map historically in Welsh? I am debating this with someone elsewhere. Dialch yn fawr!!!! Drachenfyre 18:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Thaks for your response. What I was trying to learn was when did the archaic Dafydd map Llyewllyn become Dafydd ap Llwyellyn? I know ap is a contraction of map, but when did this occur historically, or when did ap superseed map. I have found little clarification on this specific point.

Wales / Cymru poll

Re: your comments on your recent Wales edit, polls are not binding on Wikipedia - see for example Polling is evil - they canvas the views of whatever editors happen to be passing. I fully understand that you support this, but the fact that some Cymraeg speakers are very active is not sufficient reason for changing it, sorry. MarkThomas 09:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

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