ShawarmaFan07

August 2024

Hello, I'm Cordless Larry. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Lebanese people in the United Kingdom, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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October 2024

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to Female genital mutilation in the United Kingdom. Your edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use your sandbox. Thank you. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:42, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry how do I make my sandbox? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 18:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

You click on the link to it above. To be clear about what the issue was though, your edit suggested that the Observer reported that pupils would be taught about honour based attacks, but the source doesn't say that. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

About the sandbox, I am going to edit it, but the options were limited to "user page view". How do I edit that? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 22:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Murder of Shafilea Ahmed. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. The source you're citing doesn't state or imply that the violence "had escalated further from the age of 15", only that "she had suffered from regular domestic violence from the age of 15." Belbury (talk) 13:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@Belbury The bit about the violence escalated from the age of 15 is said in a source, and I think it's already cited. This source said that her violence had escalated from the age of 15 in the middle of this article. I believe this is already cited. So I think it is okay to say that her violence escalated. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 13:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

References

Sure, I hadn't read that one, that seems fine. You just cited https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-18924284 for the addition, which doesn't put it like that. Belbury (talk) 13:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, not to worry because I have another source that mentions escalation. Do you mind if I revert it back and add the source? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 13:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

No problem, go ahead. Belbury (talk) 13:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I've gone back and checked this in more detail given the November 2024 thread below about you inventing false quotations, and I see that you've taken

The violence meted out by her parents escalated in the months before her death

from the Guardian and

she said she had suffered from regular domestic violence from the age of 15

from the BBC to produce

Shafilea said that she had experienced domestic violence, that escalated from the age of 15

This is WP:SYNTHESIS, to "combine material from multiple sources to state or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources". We don't know from these two sources that Shafilea herself spoke about the escalation. "escalated from the age of 15" is also an inaccurate summary of "escalated in the months before her death" (she died aged 17), and implies that she also was experiencing violence before the age of 15, which neither of these sources appears to say. Belbury (talk) 09:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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Please self-revert your latest edit or be reported for edit-warring and violating ARBPIA restrictions. nableezy - 19:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

What is happening right now... I have been accused edit warring Israel and Arab conflict? Sure I will self revert. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 19:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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November 2024

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Murder of Rukhsana Naz, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. I can't see anything in the source you're citing that says that Shakeela Naz used the phrases "was proud of killing her own daughter" and "no regrets" in court. Belbury (talk) 12:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Belbury But in the PDF source, it discussed that her mother had no regrets of killing her daughter though at the end of the paragraph. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 17:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the PDF says:

Rukhsana’s mother is said to “[have] no regret over what she has done”, despite the fact that she is still serving her time in prison.

It's not clear whose assessment that is. The source doesn't say that Shakeela Naz spoke those words herself in court. It definitely doesn't say that she told the court she was "proud of killing her own daughter". Where did you get that from? Belbury (talk) 18:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, wikipedia article words don't necessarily need to 100% match with the words in the source. As long as it's along the lines. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 21:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

We can and should WP:PARAPHRASE the prose of sources, but not quotations. If you read a source that says

Rukhsana’s mother is said to “[have] no regret over what she has done”, despite the fact that she is still serving her time in prison.

You cannot write that up as

She said in court that she "was proud of killing her own daughter" and had "no regrets".

She did not say those words.

Have you written other Wikipedia content like this, reading a source, making up some quotations "along the lines" in your own words and then writing that somebody said them? Belbury (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, not really but along the lines of a quote I did was in the Shafilea Ahmed article, in which I added extra info about the domestic abuse she subjected to as a child escalated aged 15. This was also "along the lines"; besides, there was one article already cited from the get go that said "escalated". As long as readers understand, then specification shouldn't be necessary. Should it? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 23:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

You could summarise the source in your own words by writing something like

Shakeela Naz was reported as not expressing any regret over her actions.

(avoiding quoting "no regret" directly, so as not to imply that she may have said the words herself) but writing that she literally said the words "proud of killing her own daughter" in court, because you think that's the kind of thing she might have felt, and that it gives the reader a good understanding of her character, is enormously inappropriate.

I'm surprised I have to spell this out, but you must not invent quotations when editing Wikipedia. Belbury (talk) 09:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I've also removed this sentence you added to Murder of Noor Almaleki where you claim that the victim's father called her an ugly slut. This is not in the source and I can't find any sources that use the phrase. Belbury (talk) 11:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

It didn't? Let me have a look. As far as I can remember, one of the cited sources did show that Faleh Al-Maleki called his daughter a "slut". If its there then I will revert it and tell you where in the sources had said that. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

The CBS News source does quote a friend of Noor summarising the father's view in their own words:

"And he just thought...that was a really bad thing for his daughter to do, for a Muslim daughter to do. And he just thought she was a slut," Adhi explained.

You had written:

her parents did not approve, with her father yelling at and calling Noor an "ugly slut"

Belbury (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Again, with the Naz article, we do not have to exactlu match the words from the source. As long as it is along the lines, then it shouldn't be an issue. Should it? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 15:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

You have to match the facts from the source. The source does not say that her father yelled at her. The source does not say that her father called her an "ugly slut".

When you put quotation marks around words, you are saying that the person said those exact words. Belbury (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)