Sean1019

Trivia in Dune

Hey there, you have restored the MST3000 trivia to the Dune (film) article three times, which is a violation of WP:3RR because while I have explained my removals in the edit summaries, you have chosen not to discuss the issue or even defend your edits.

Per WP:TRIVIA and Wikipedia:"In popular culture" articles, unsourced factoids noting every time a particular topic is mentioned or parodied do not belong in articles. It is not notable to mention Dune in passing in another film, TV series or novel; if we did so, there would literally be list of a hundred items. Further, such mentions do not establish a topic's "influence" on society or culture; rather, a reliable, verifiable external source (book, article, etc) must be referenced which comments on such influence, or the notability of a given reference to the topic. Please do not add this information again, or you may risk a block. Thanks. — TAnthony^Talk 06:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello,

Please forgive my ham-fisted attempts to add to the "Influence on Popular Culture" section of the Dune (film) article. As you have no doubt surmised, I had no clue what I was doing. Repetition was a result of my assumption that a technical error was being made, on my part.

Once I have studied the guidelines more carefully, I look forward making correctly executed contributions to Wikipedia.

Perhaps then we could discuss MST3000's references to Dune, which I do feel have a place in that section on a par with the relevance of, say, a reference to Dune in the lyrics of a song -- particularly given MST3000's broad appeal, their repeated references to Dune, and that show's remarkable capacity for blending both sublime and banal cultural references to a humorous effect that often led their fans to further explore those references.

If I might ask for one specific tip -- when you said "I have explained my removals in the edit summaries, you have chosen not to discuss the issue or even defend your edits" I don't know where to look for your messages in that regard. Can you guide my hand?

Thanks,

Sean1019 (talk) 07:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message; we can definitely discuss ways for you to implement the influence on MST3000. basically, you need to find articles, etc. that discuss this influence. They can of course be web-based, but not forum posts, blogs, or personal sites.

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dune_(film)&action=history for the Dune article's history, which included edit summaries; if you add it to your "watchlist" to can keep track of changes. More later. — TAnthony^Talk 17:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

"Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dune_(film)&action=history for the Dune article's history, which included edit summaries; if you add it to your "watchlist" to can keep track of changes."

Thanks. But I still don't see explanations for removals on the edit history page, or was that what the "remove non-notable trivia" notation meant? Would the Talk pages be the place to "discuss the issue or even defend (my) edits", or is there a place for that within the edit summary page? Also, is the need to cite an outside article specific to establishing cultural influence? For example, I work for a company whose Wikipedia entry is outdated. I'm not even sure who posted the original entry, but I'd be happy to correct it just to try my hand. Would I have to cite some sort of outside source to justify every change I made, lest they be removed? Thanks again. Sean1019 (talk) 21:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Technically everything needs a source, but most uncontroversial information won't be removed just because it's unsourced. So go ahead and update your company article and see what happens ;) Someone will probably just add a fact tag or something requesting sources in the future.

Yeah, in general you should somehow explain your edits in the edit summary (it could be as simple as "update info" or "copyedit" or "fix"), and in the case of a revert, something that might address the previous summary. But yeah, if more extensive discussion becomes necessary, the talk page is where you start. I probably should apologize if I came off as a "dick" or anything, I should have looked at your contribution history, which would have told me you were new. Anyway, let me know if I can be of any help ;) — TAnthony^Talk 20:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Links

Sorry I hadn't answered your links question, I've been off-Wiki; looks like you figured it out, let me know if I can help further ;) — TAnthony^Talk 01:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I still don't know how to do that. Somehow, "rock" links to "rock music", but the others don't. Any tricks? Thanks Sean1019 (talk) 05:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)