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Čiurlionis: The Past

Well, depends, Sca. I was thinking of what you said, now for a while. I often realise that one can't really go back - anywhere. But - if you are willing to take it like a new experience, then maybe.Hafspajen (talk) 17:40, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I've thought about going back to LT, PL, even Kaliningrad, but I can't recreate the old relationship — which ended seven years ago — and can't afford to waste $$ on travel that ultimately would be frustrating. It would be different if I had someone to travel with or to meet there.

But since you're close, I think you should go to Vilnius sometime — it's quite different from the other historic Baltic towns, and has a mostly baroque (as opposed to brick Gothic) Old City that was never destroyed (except for the Jewish quarter, wrecked by the Nazis).[3] Sca (talk) 20:18, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I know what you mean. Sometime if better to create new relationships, because everybody seems to move on all the time. no relationship lasts without at least intense mail contact... Was planning to go there... but those Russians... you know. Hafspajen (talk) 20:21, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Я понимаю. Actually, though, the ethnic Russian proportion has shrunk a lot, and isn't nearly as large as that of Riga. Sca (talk) 20:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Were they the one abandoning the houses? Hafspajen (talk) 20:50, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Не знаю.

Re your moose pic., did you know that the moose antler was a symbol for East Prussia in German times?

In German, a moose is called an Elch, which leads to confusion for translators because it sounds like a cognomen for "elk," which in North America is a totally different animal.

Coincidentally, a moose wandered into our city last week and had to be captured and taken away to the forest. Sca (talk) 21:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

MMmmm, and in Swedish it is called älg (Elg)... Now you are the Russian expert around here, do you think you could add some captions to some newly added files in the gallery at Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis? what is Не знаю, don't know? Hafspajen (talk) 21:19, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Не знаю = Don't know — donno. Actually, it should be Я не знаю = I don't know, but I think they usually just say не знаю (pronounced nez-nye' yoo.) That exhausts about one-third of my Russian vocabulary.

Getting late over there, isn't it? Do you still have a full moon in Sverige? Sca (talk) 21:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, full moon and 00.05 o'clock... God night then... Hafspajen (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Labanakt. Sca (talk) 22:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Čiurlionis

PS: Wish there was a pic. of this [4] Čiurlionis painting on Wiki. Sca (talk) 23:06, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Čiurlionis — Friendship, 1906

Well, it seems there is — I've been used to seeing much more green hues,[5] but perhaps this is more accurate? I added it to the gallery at Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis. Sca (talk) 12:56, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Ha, Steve, that was much to good for a gallery. Hafspajen (talk) 13:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually the title I've always seen is "The Gift of Friendship," so I changed it on the Čiurlionis page. Sca (talk) 15:27, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Made a hole in the gallery, when moved the Angels into article. Will you try to add one more picture? [6]. Hafspajen (talk) 00:03, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that was me, Angels on a beach... But what was I to do with that text... Hafspajen (talk) 00:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Added Fairy Tale - III from list at Commons. Lots of others there. [7] Sca (talk) 13:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey, where did you found that one? + what is your method? Hafspajen (talk) 17:06, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Here: [8] (Scroll down to list of titles.) Sca (talk) 17:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Previous gallery

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  Morning Fantasy (1904)
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  Tranquility (1904-1905)
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  Cloud Boat (1906)
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  Creation of the World - V (1906-1907)
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  Creation of the World - X (1906-1907)
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  Creation of the World - XII (1906-1907)
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  Fairy Tale - III (1907)
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  The Past (1907)
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  Sonata of Sun - Allegro (1907)
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  The Zodiac cycle - Aries (1907)
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  The Zodiac cycle - Sagittarius (1907)
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  Prelude (1908)
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  Vasaros sonata (1908)
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  Kings' Fairy Tale (1908-1909)
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  Preludes and Fugues (1908-1909)
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  Altar (1909)
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  Castle Fairy Tale (1909)
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  Crosses in Žemaitija (1909)

And the new one

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  Cloud Boat (1906)
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  Cliff at the Seaside (1905)
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  Bridges (1904)
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  Angel (1908)
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  Pryramids (1908)
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  Creation of the World - II (1905-06)
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  Creation of the World - III (1905-06)
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  Creation of the World - V (1905)
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  Creation of the World - VI (1905-06)
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  Creation of the World - VII (1905-06)
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  Creation of the World - XII (1906-1907)
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  Sonata - II (1907)
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  Deluge - I (1904)
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  Andante - IV (1908)
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  Finale - III (1908)
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  Fairy Tale - I (1907)
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  Fairy Tale - III (1907)
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  Kings' Fairy Tale (1908-1909)
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  The Past (1907)
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  Fairy Tale Castle (1909)
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  The Zodiac cycle - Aries (1907)
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  Morning Fantasy (1904)
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  Day (1904)
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  Evening (1907)
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  Forest (1907)

Removed

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  Juros sonata - Andante (1908)
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Good choice! Hafspajen (talk) 13:44, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Unsorted

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HOhoho, found some in the category unsorted... Instead of the Juros... Hafspajen (talk) 14:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Ahem... can't we add two more? These are quite nice... That Juros is fairly big.. Removing that it could make place for 2 smaller.... Or what do you think?

• What do you think about this prew. [9] I think it looks nice. Hafspajen (talk) 15:16, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Palaver

We have certainly a bad selection in the commons gallery. Somebody didn't liked the blues and green... Hafspajen (talk) 17:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

How do you feel about Creation of World - V? Sca (talk)

Ah, working on it. We should put together the old ones and the new ones and make a selection....

Čiurlionis was much more prolific than I realized, however briefly. Sca (talk) 17:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Chose the bests and then compare. Wondered just why he keept to muddy colors... But he didn't. I was our gallery friend who chose them. Hafspajen (talk) 17:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

At this point, Paradise pales by comparison. (Germany 4, Portugal 0, with 10 min. left.) Sca (talk) 17:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

What Germany 4, Portugal 0? Can't find then among the titles. You mean Daybreak 2? ah, wait a minute... World cup, right? Hafspajen (talk) 17:51, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Aber natürlich. Final Ger. 4, Port. 0. Sca (talk) 17:57, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

• And so, that is done with the selection, ready. Now we put the ones in the article in. Hafspajen (talk) 18:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

' Here cames the muddy selection. Sooo, now lets settle for ... 3 rows? Or maybe four? Hafspajen (talk) 18:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

• I say, we chose 5 each as strong preferences. Move them to a new gallery and fill in with others, so it should represent all colours, themes and shapes - and go for harmony, like in an exhibition. Hafspajen (talk) 18:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

• Very good. Now five more. this time chose for harmony, balance, all topics in and so on. Then I do it. And at the end ... we have to agree on the last ones. Hafspajen (talk) 18:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, Hafs, I need to take a break for a while. Later.... Sca (talk) 18:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

No problem, I can take my 5 until then. Haffy (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

In the good old days ... when knights were bold, they rode out murdering and pillaging and then got rewarded for it.

That is 2,5 rows. we should go for 4 row probably if we want to present his work well. So many interesting pictures... Hafspajen (talk) 19:55, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, very good. Now we just simply need 4 more that we forgot, that represents different styles he has - even if they are no big favorites. Just for the EV. I put in one. Any suggestions? Also, we may have two more for the article, single pictures: Juros sonata - Andante (1908) - Sonata of the Sea. Finale (1908). Not sure the ones there are the best... Can imagine to replace the house with a good picture too. Hafspajen (talk) 22:16, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I stuck in two more. Sca (talk) 22:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Two or three more and we can start thinking of how to organize it. Which ones in the article? What layout, doesn't have to stay as it is. Hafspajen (talk) 22:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Take three actually, and we can always remove that house. Hafspajen (talk) 22:32, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, the house in Marki isn't very relevant or interesting. I looked for a pic of the Čiurlionis Museum in Druskininkai but didn't find one.

We should keep Friendship and Sonata of the Sea in some form. Sca (talk) 22:34, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

OK. (was never thinking removing Friendship). We can always remove or add something... Arranged first row. Next yours. And we have place about 4 pictures in the article if you agree to remove that house and Juros sonata - Andante (1908). Hafspajen (talk) 22:40, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, you chosed to make temas. Move back pyramids because I need that dark patch in the middle of the lights. How many do you have in a row? I have six, but we can have different computers. Hafspajen (talk) 01:20, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, something like this. Like this guy more and more. Now last problem ... which one to use in the article ... that will make last row. I have a suggestion = I think Forest would benefit of a larger size. Hafspajen (talk) 01:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I think basically is all fixed, just go ahead and replace gallery and change the pictures. Good luck. Hafspajen (talk) 13:22, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

• Well done! looks really much much better then that previous gallery!! And give a much fair representation of the artist works. Very nice job. Now, remove that Juros whatewer - we would need something else instead, more colour, more blues, greens... Pick something. Hafspajen (talk) 14:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

• Did you think it looked crowded? Hafspajen (talk) 15:24, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Ivan Bilibin's illustration of the Russian fairy tale about Vasilisa the Beautiful

I deleted Paradise and moved Sonata and your beloved Forest apart, so it's less congested graphically. Perhaps we should delete Lightning too? — it's kinda gimmicky, not as subtle as most of his paintings.

Now, you go ahead and nominate one (maybe Sparks? — plenty of px) as an FP. Sofort! Sca (talk) 15:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, I am not exactly inloved with the forest. You can remove it if you want. The only problem that was bothering me was that the gallery has an uneven number of pictures (and still has now) - just wanted to remove one into the article. The lightning - well you can remove that too if you really insist but it is the best gimmicky picture so far, and even if wee carefully avoided them - he does have plenty off this type of pictures, so it would be fair to present at least one. On the other hand I do like the paradise. Hafspajen (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

To make an even number, you could stick Lightning in the gallery somewhere. I don't exactly dislike it, just find it a bit startling. Sca (talk) 17:34, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Haffy, I've had enough of Čiurlionis for a while. You go ahead and adjust the article as you see fit, then nominate a pic of your choice for FP — please? Sca (talk) 16:11, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

We can try several and see what will happen. Kings' Fairy Tale is big enough. Hafspajen (talk) 17:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, and the colors are good in that version. Sca (talk) 17:34, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

• So, that is your secret. Hafspajen (talk) 17:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Mug

Haffy hunts for obscure art treasures :*Ha hahaha

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  Lightning (1909)
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  M. K. Čiurlionis National Art Museum in Kaunas, Lithauen.
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  Mists (1906)

Haffy waltzes his way to ecstasy.

Do you think we should flip his mug in the info box, so he'd be looking into the text? Sca (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

• Robinson, this expression :Flip his mug is not known for me. Friday (talk) 17:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Reverse his photo.

Hey, try this, my favorite: [10] (In the Forest)

Here's another: [11] (The Sea)

And another: [12] (Peace Of Mind)

Sca (talk) 17:47, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Outch . We might just remove that one, it doesn't look like that at all. Or can it be several forest pictures? Hafspajen (talk) 18:12, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Which 'one' are you talking about? Sca (talk) 21:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Can you flip his mug in the info box? I don't know how. Hafspajen (talk) 18:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I was hoping you would know how. Sca (talk) 21:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Will you cropp the the Paradise? It looks silly with those texts. That twould be my last try. Hafspajen (talk) 19:55, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

 DoneSca (talk) 21:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Re FP noms, changed your "composer och painter" to "composer and painter." :) Sca (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Did I really wrote OCH... hm. Tired I guess.... Hafspajen (talk) 21:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Haffy, detta är engelska WP! :) Sca (talk) 23:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

• Sigh, thanks for cropping... but now we have an other problem... those angels are not enough pix any more. ^{By the way... there is no alt on Day, just one picture.} Hafspajen (talk) 22:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Confession: I didn't actually crop it, just replaced it with a different file. Don't know how to crop on WP. Sca (talk) 23:39, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey, somebody have stolen Bullwinkle! Hafspajen (talk) 15:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

That's happened a couple times — I guess someone's policing "non-free images" — Crisco, perhaps??

No, he would surely leave a message, he is well-bred. It was somebody called Steffan. Here. Hafspajen (talk) 01:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Does this strike a chord? — Deep greens and blues / are the colors I choose (James Taylor). Sca (talk) 17:14, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

A poem? ^{Noticed your choices...} Hafspajen (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

A song. [13] [14] Sca (talk) 17:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Mikalojus Konstantinas Ciurlionis - DAY - 1904 - 5, Varsuva.jpg

There is no alt here to support, I fear. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 22:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. TNX. Sca (talk) 23:38, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	You have no idea how difficult is to work with others ... You made me belive for a second that it was easy... But you just spoiled me with your personality. Back to the hard world again, but I am leaving you this star as a thanks... Hafspajen (talk) 15:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

ITN

You might (or might not) be int'd in the discussion at [15]. Sca (talk) 01:18, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't know. It is a bit late. Hafspajen (talk) 01:24, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

• Well, was trying to understand it yesterday already... Can't say I get it better today. What should be moved where and why? Hafspajen (talk) 15:14, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

The pic. in ITN always stays at the top of the page, even though the item it illustrates moves down as new items are added to ITN. Thus, much of the time the pic. is paired with an item to which it has no relationship.

Obviously, the pic. should be linked with the item it illustrates, as is almost universal practice. This discussion has been going on, intermittently, for years. Sca (talk) 15:31, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I can see that. looks like a difficult issue. Hafspajen (talk) 15:49, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Moonlight ladies - or One Hundred Aspects of the Moon

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Hafspajen (talk) 14:35, 21 June 2014 (UTC) [16]

Spirit of the Night

Ska? ... and Säpojoggen. Hafspajen (talk) 17:22, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Haffy, I'm going out of town for a few days — to visit my sister in SF Bay area. I'll have Net access while there but it may be intermittent. Sca (talk) 00:42, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Bye bye, have fun. Hafspajen (talk) 00:44, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Things are really, really different here. Sca (talk) 23:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

And what is different? Hafspajen (talk) 10:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Here too. Everything is blown up on the picture of the day, see FP talk. Hafspajen (talk) 23:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't see what you mean at WP:FPC or at Wikipedia talk:Featured pictures. Sca (talk) 23:12, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. Basically beyond my competence.

Alas, the Čiurlionis nom's don't seem to inspire much participation. Sca (talk) 23:22, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

ÄÄ, now. 5 votes for the king.. Hafspajen (talk) 23:26, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

[2]

What's different? Well, for one thing, my sister & brother-in-law invariably follow a schedule of sleeping 'til noon or 1 p.m. (1300), then staying up until 3 or 4 a.m. My other sister and I, who are visiting, tend to wake up between 6 and 7 a.m.

(PS: I'm the baby, and I'm 66.) Sca (talk) 18:32, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Here you go... Baby Steve.

Hafspajen (talk) 18:40, 24 June 2014 (UTC)