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Betty Ann Bruno listing on Deaths in 2023 page
Hi @Rusted AutoParts:, I've restored "actress (The Wizard of Oz)" to the listing for Betty Ann Bruno on the Deaths in 2023. Whilst I completely concur that uncredited roles should generally be avoided (and in the case where credited roles are available, uncredited ones should be deprioritised), this case is special. Bruno is far more prominent for her small role in that film; it exceeds her notability as a reporter by a large margin. A quick Google shows that her death is being reported by press in various countries, and they're all focussing on that factor. Mirror, Fox News, Daily Mail, SFGate, Deadline. If you disagree with my decision to restore, then I'm happy to discuss/debate further but I think it's worth remembering that guidelines on Wikipedia are not scripture and exceptions apply. Thanks again. Jkaharper (talk) 22:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Blacklisted sites/scraper sites
Is there a page/source dedicated to listing 'blacklisted' sites (such as scraper sites) which cannot be used as sources? Thanks, DarkStarHarry (talk) 15:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Johnny Johnson and the Bandwagon
I'm curious about this edit. You say that the "page is more about the group than Johnson". If you read the page, you will see that is not true. As the article states: "In 1969 the original group disbanded, and all subsequent releases were billed as Johnny Johnson and His Bandwagon. In effect, the act was basically Johnson plus additional vocalists, who were hired for recording, touring and TV performances...". So, the article is effectively about Johnson's career and life, although record releases were credited under the group name. That does not mean that a "group" existed in reality. Would you rather the article was retitled as Johnny Johnson (singer), or do you think the mention of his death should be restored? It seems to me to be clear that, as an individual, he was sufficiently notable to be listed on the deaths page. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Please answer on the page where I pose the question. Given that the article is predominantly about Johnson as an individual, albeit credited under a group name, do you think that Johnson is sufficiently notable to be mentioned on the "Recent deaths" page, or not? If you do, how should it be done? Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- If you feel he is the more notable aspect, perhaps rename the page to just Johnny Johnson and make The Bandwagon a subsection if there's enough about the group to include. Rusted AutoParts 21:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- What is notable is "Johnny Johnson and the Bandwagon", which is how the records were credited, and how the page is correctly titled. But the only notable member was Johnson himself. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Then idk what to say. The page is about a group containing four people. Deaths pages generally disqualify redirects to said pages. If it was about a duo, there'd probably be exception. Maybe I'm offbase, but every instance of a redirect to a group have always been removed following the standard 30 day period. Rusted AutoParts 21:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think you are still misunderstanding. The page is essentially not about "a group". It is about one person, who initially was one of a four-person group, but later was a solo singer who was still credited under the group name. The existing page title is correct, and Johnson was not notable independently of the group name (and so should not have a separate page). I'd be surprised if similar examples have not arisen before. But, the bottom line is that Johnson was notable, and deserves a listing on the "Recent deaths" page. Maybe you need to treat this as an exception to the "rule", or alternatively it should be referred to others for comment. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- The page is named after the group, and is assigned into musical group categories, I don't believe I'm misconstruing. I'm not against others input at the [[Deaths in 2023]] talk, cause like I said perhaps there is exception here. But to me it just seems the group is the focus given its title, given what categories it is placed in. Rusted AutoParts 21:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Discussion continues at Talk:Deaths in March 2023.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:39, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- The page is named after the group, and is assigned into musical group categories, I don't believe I'm misconstruing. I'm not against others input at the [[Deaths in 2023]] talk, cause like I said perhaps there is exception here. But to me it just seems the group is the focus given its title, given what categories it is placed in. Rusted AutoParts 21:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think you are still misunderstanding. The page is essentially not about "a group". It is about one person, who initially was one of a four-person group, but later was a solo singer who was still credited under the group name. The existing page title is correct, and Johnson was not notable independently of the group name (and so should not have a separate page). I'd be surprised if similar examples have not arisen before. But, the bottom line is that Johnson was notable, and deserves a listing on the "Recent deaths" page. Maybe you need to treat this as an exception to the "rule", or alternatively it should be referred to others for comment. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Then idk what to say. The page is about a group containing four people. Deaths pages generally disqualify redirects to said pages. If it was about a duo, there'd probably be exception. Maybe I'm offbase, but every instance of a redirect to a group have always been removed following the standard 30 day period. Rusted AutoParts 21:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- What is notable is "Johnny Johnson and the Bandwagon", which is how the records were credited, and how the page is correctly titled. But the only notable member was Johnson himself. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- If you feel he is the more notable aspect, perhaps rename the page to just Johnny Johnson and make The Bandwagon a subsection if there's enough about the group to include. Rusted AutoParts 21:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Here is my take on the two articles, regardless of inclusion at a deaths page: IF a standalone article for Johnson is created, it would need more about HIM, than his creating Bandwagon. If I were to create any such biography page, gleaned from the group's current article, it would only be stub that says: "He was born in Belle Glade, Florida, moved to Rochester, New York as a child, and started Bandwagon in the mid-1960s with a modicum of success throughout the 1970s. Johnson then retired after the group's popularity dwindled, drove a school bus, and died in 2023." That alone is not a notable article. Wyliepedia @ 07:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
August 2023
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Arleen Sorkin, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Wikipedia articles aren't updated based on "this isn't disproven" tweets. Wait for a reliable source. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 01:43, 27 August 2023 (UTC)