If there is anything you wish to discuss with me, feel free to do it here.Q.Fānasī 19:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Seljuqs edit
Hi Q.Fānasī, I have reverted your changes in the Seljuq page, because I think that it gives a wrong impression of the Seljuq era. While you are most certainly correct that the Seljuqs were of old Turkic Ghuzz origin and, in some way, felt themselvs as defenders of Central Asian Turkic identity, they were certainly Persianized to a very high degree. Not only because they resided as a minority in Persian and Islamic lands, but because they also intermarried with the native nobles. The reference to Persian literature and language, as well to a - what may be interpreted as - Persian nationalist culture in the intro is very important, because it was the Seljuqs who re-introduced Persian language and customs to Iran after the Arabic conquest. While the native Iranian Buyids preferred Arabic letters and language, the Turkic Seljuqs promoted Persian literature and culture and played (next to the Ghaznavids) a very important role in the developement of the post-Islamic Persian identity. All in one, the Seljuqs play a more important role in the history of Iran and Central Asia than they do in the history of Anatolia. In some way, the Seljuqs felt themselvs as protectors of Persian dignity and culture, and for many years, poweful Persian vezirs were the de facto rulers of their empire and the atabeks of the Seljuq princes. You should also be careful with the words "defeated people". The Persians were not "defeated slaves" of the Turks, as one might interpret your version. It was more like a symbioses of highly educated Persian scholars and politicians, and powerful Turkish armies who were directed and advised by these Persians. Persians have never regarded the Seljuqs as a foreign people (as they did with teh Mongols and Arabs), and at the same time, the Turkish Seljuqs and Ottomans never regarded Persians as slaves or defeated peoples. Actually, the ruling Turkish dynasties always looked up to the Persians and tried to learn from them. Until today, Persians have left important marks on Turkish identity, and a large part of Turkish culture (maybe the largest part) is certainly derived from that Persian culture. Therfore, I have reverted your changes. Please try to be more neutral while editing articles. The seljuq article is perfectly ballanced right now. Have a nice day, my friend. -DerDoc 18:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
- You have broken the 3RR - you may get banned for 24h. Please be more carefull. -DerDoc 18:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice, my friend. If you had not warned me, I might have almost broken the 3RR. By the way, abusing multiple accounts is prohibited.Q.Fānasī 21:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice. I am not abusing multiple accounts - I had an older account earlier, but I forgot the PW. So I had to create another one. In regard of the Seljuq page, please discuss your concerns before editting a version that has been discussed so many times in the past. Also make sure you do not falsify sources or attach them to wrong information, as you have done in your previous edit. This may be interpreted by some as vandalism. -DerDoc 13:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)