Purger

message from Mosstsa

Hi, I was wondering if you could help. Some POV-pushers apparently from Croatia are removing information from Tourism in Croatia wrt attacks on tourists from Bosnia and Serbia and the minefields in Croatia warnings. They refuse to engage in discussion (some of them) where they have been rebunked with evidence and references - for instance, consider this link [1] where campagn to remove signs in order not to scare tourists is documented. All other issues have also been documented, but those people keep vandalising the page and throwing insults at those who disagree. Please put this article on your watchlist and do not allow the Coatian coverup.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mosstsa (talk • contribs) 03:23, 22 March 2006

3RR

Please read and understand WP:3RR if you don't want to be blocked for it... Also, sign your posts with ~~~~ 4 tildas William M. Connolley 16:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

ok--Purger 16:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block on Ante Starčević

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. The duration of the block is 12 hours.

Also, be so kind as to decide whether you are Purger or Purqer.

William M. Connolley 16:49, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

You are wrong - I am Purger and I never used the Purqer user name!--Purger 19:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I doubt that. Still, I accidentally blocked Purqer twice and you not at all (or you wouldn't have been able to post on my talk page). Be scrupulously good for at least a little while and I won't actually apply the block William M. Connolley 22:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Do not doubt - check it! And you did not do anything to prevent other people removing my original contribution not discussing it at all!--Purger 14:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Ante Pavelic

Hi. I did not add neutrality dispute, but a tab. ChrisO is against this useful tab, about persecution of Serbs, which I have created. Please support me in installing this tab. Thanks. CeBuCCuCmeM 00:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

====Regarding reversions[2] made on May 14 2006 (UTC) to Ante Starčević ====

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. The duration of the block is 24 hours. William M. Connolley 08:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Always ready to discuss anything - the problem is - Wikipedia does not have criteria who should contribute. That creates a very serious problem seen as anybody's ultimate right to delete or revert whatever is not to his/her liking. That way any serious work or serious indulgence to the encyclopaedia work becomes quickly undermined and discouraged.

You are wrong again. One of the 'revetrs' was actually a minor edit.--Purger 12:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for comments on Ante Starcevic article

I would appreciate if you could add your position in the space at the top of the talk page, as indicated. I would then post the RfC as I have already explained. Waiting for your response. Regards, --Asterion ^{talk to me} 17:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the comment cannot exceed 200 words... We should either integrade your comment into mine, or delete yours, or else the admins will not read anything. --serbiana - talk 22:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Picture taken in Austria

Hi,

Regarding image Image:Lipadom.jpg (while it's still here, and not deleted), I believe that it should me made clear that it's taken in Austria, not Croatia, and that people on the picture are propably Croats, but noone can garantee that they live in Croatia.

Hiding this fact looks like sneaky POV pushing to me.

What's Your opinion on this?

Answer here, please.

Regards, Ante Perkovic 12:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

The picture was not posted by me. I treated it as is. Good to know that the people on that picture are Croats.--Purger 15:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks You for proving my point!

Hi,

I saw that You put (among others) 2 references on Neo-Nazism page - http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=311782 and http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=253042.

Well, the links You provide beautifully ilustrates that there is a zero-tolerance for Ustasa grafiti in Croatia, because, as can be seen in the links You provided, 14-years old kid was held in police station after being cought in writing "Za Dom Spremni".

In the name of entire croatian comunity on this wikipedia - thank You!!!

I was looking for references like this, but couldn't find them. Looks like You are much more talented than me.

Regards, --Ante Perkovic 13:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Your point is very weak. As you can read from the links - the 14-year kid was not held in police station - rather called on 'informative talk'. As usual, whenever the graffiti are spotted, the police always started 'search' for the culprits - which yields regularly 'not found' result. Not zero-tolerance - rather zero result! Also, not a single person of the Croatian nationality was ever fined for writing graffities or for singing 'Jasenovac i Gradiska Stara' in public. Prove me wrong!--Purger 16:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Year ago there was some old man from Zadar on Croatian TV who was fined twice for wearing Ustaša uniform. I don't know about graffities and about singing but in saturday some football huligans from Zagreb were held in police station because of flag with swastika (I think they are still in station). That is "zero-tolerance". For "zero result" and "inifinite tolerance" see for example chetniks' meetings in Serbia with same messages and symbols against Croats. Jakiša Tomić 00:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Purger,

I aspolutely have nothing against people writing about Ustase rallies in Croatia (always as a part of protest against government policy). I know all about it because every time it happens, it is all over newspapers. I was even thinking about adding some info about this.

Bu, please, if You find something afirmative about Your homeland, Croatia, don't hesitate to put it in wikipedia. Maybe I'm just imaginating things, but sometimes I feal that your sole puprose here is to write exclusively bad things about Croatia. I'm deeply soory if I insulted You with this comment.

So, please, chill out and try to understand that Croatia is not some backward Naci-loving country where everybody thinks about neothing else but how to kill all non-Croats, burn Serbia or something like that. We are nice, friendly people :).

And, if You find some prove that things are not the way You are seeing them, please, do not close your eyes. Open your mind to a possibility that You are not 100% right.

Because, people who believe they know everything rarely learn something new.

Regards, Ante Perkovic 09:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, I must admit that You are partialy right regarding tolerating ustasa in Croatia, what irritates me and many other people here. As I see it, it is result of political compromise, because many people wants neo-fascism and comunism treated in the same way. Since ex-communist (repsonsible for many bad things in post-WW2 Croatia) have strong lobby in Croatia, it is highly unlikely that neo-communism will ever be banned. So, thinks got stock in some kind of lockout.

I understand that You don't want these bad things about Croatia to be deleted. You have my support for that. But, as I wrote before, sometimes I feel that You don't even try to go deeper into the problem, but just decide to filter the good things and write the bad things.

I'm planning to write some more NPOV things about neo-fascism in Croatia here, but, before I start, I would like to know will You even consider reading my text or You just going to revert it to Your version. Because, if You are not ready to accept at least some of my changes, I will even bother to try.

So, should I start exploring the subject or just go away?

Plase, answer here.

Regards, Ante Perkovic 10:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

There are many of you whitewashing the reality and writing in a politically corect manner. I am just counteracting such a nonsense. That's why I am here. All other 'ex-communist, neo-communism, nice people' etc. buzz-words are out of my interest and view.--Purger 19:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

NPOV tag

Please stop. If you remove this tag once more without consensus, I will block you for vandalism. · Katefan0 ^(scribble) 16:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Please, elaborate where do you see the disputes related to this article. Who disputed it and how?

--Purger 17:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I have asked on the talk page that NPOV disputes be delineated. If they aren't in a couple of days, the tag can be removed. · Katefan0 ^(scribble) 18:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

You have claimed that there are disputes. Please, elaborate it!--Purger 18:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

index.hr

Are You sure about index.hr? Did You check it?

Neo-Nazism in Croatia

I explained every single change I made on the talk page. Where is the problem? --Zmaj 12:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

There is obviously a misunderstanding here. What (or whose) changes do you consider unexplained? --Zmaj 12:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Breaking 3RR?

Hi,

I saw that you and User:64.18.16.251 all together made 4 reverts in last 24h.

Since I believe that you two are the same person and that you log in and out in order to evade breaking 3RR, I see this as a exotic kind of sock puppetry.

So, I will have to ask you to tell me are you and User:64.18.16.251 the same person.

I do have right to ask this, because if I'm right, then this could be called breaking the 3RR.

So, are you the same person as user:64.18.16.251?

--Ante Perkovic 16:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

While we are here, I'll ask you one more question - are all those 4.249.... IP's yours? I believe they are because noone does so much labeling of opponents as you do. So, I will kindly ask you to:

1. Answer my question regarding sock-puppets IPs.
2. Since, you have your username, stop using IP adresses in order to avoid breaking 3RR

Please, if you have nothing to hide.... --Ante Perkovic 23:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

i left a message to your suspected sock-puppet here: User_talk:64.18.16.251#Breaking 3RR?. Please, support my request!

Proposal

Oh, by the way, I'm trying to develop a discussion on al the disputed parts, so I made a proposal at Talk:Neo-Nazism in Croatia#Proposal.

If you really want this thing to be resolved with arguments, please support my proposal. Thanks in advance! --Ante Perkovic 23:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I hope that you will answer this before making next revert. It shouldn't take you too much time. --Ante Perkovic 23:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

So, what do you think of an idea to make our edit-war easier to follow by third party contributors and admins?

I strongly believe that we need third party admins to help us solve this issue.

I trust my judgement and I believe anyone from aside will recognise my arguments as correct.

Do you have trust in your arguments enought to call more people to come in to help us resolve this issue?

If yes, please support my idea.

--Ante Perkovic 08:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

An investigation using CheckUser (see Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Purger) has shown that you have repeatedly used multiple sockpuppets to violate the 3RR. You have been blocked for one month for this extremely bad-faith violation of Wikipedia policy, and your sockpuppets have been banned indefinitely. If you attempt to violate this block or continue to use sockpuppets in future to violate policy, you will be banned permanently. -- ChrisO 07:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Please, stop vandalising List of Croatians

Hi,

Please, stop vandalising the List of Croatians page!

Don't tell me that it isn't you, because it will lokk silly. Trust me, it will. --Ante Perkovic 18:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Block period reset

Due to your continued sockpuppeting, using the IvoJovo persona, your block period has been reset to one month commencing from today. This is in accordance with WP:SOCK#Circumventing policy: Users who are banned from editing or temporarily subject to a legitimate block may not use sock puppets to circumvent this. Evading a ban in this manner causes the timer on the ban to restart, and may further lengthen the ban. -- ChrisO 18:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

False edit summary

Hi,

Don't hide reverts behind false edit summaries! That is considered vandalism!

You should know that edits by blocked users are always reverted, no matter what those edits are. Those reverts don't even count for WP:3RR. So, just wait for a month.

If you feel that you shoudn't have been blocked, please use {{unblock}}.

-- Ante P. 07:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC).

Indefinite block

This account has been blocked indefinetly as a confirmed sockpuppet of User:Velebit. It should probably be the other way around since User:Velebit has been created when this account got blocked, but lets assume that Velebit is the master, and Purger is the puppet. --Dijxtra 11:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)